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Usually Lurkin · 11-02-2002, 09:16 AM

against the lakers:

1 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

Wang gets just one minute of pt. Is anyone shocked that the clips lose [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

madape · 11-02-2002, 09:31 AM

The Clips are the most overated bunch of scrubs in history. They will SUCK SUCK SUCK SUCK all year long. Wang is SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSPARE!

Evilmav2 · 11-02-2002, 03:39 PM

Wang 2002 stats: 1.0 MPG, 0.0 ppg, 0.0 rpg, 0.0 apg, 0.0 BPG, 0.0 spg...

David · 11-02-2002, 04:51 PM

I'm glad the Clippers finally gave him a good, long look so he could demonstrate his wares. He just needed to accumulate "minute", to strut his stuff.

Dooby · 11-04-2002, 08:48 AM

Wang gets 10 minutes and the Clips win. Strangely, his line is not unlike his typical line with the Mavs: 10 minutes; 5 points; 2 rebounds.

MavsRich · 11-04-2002, 08:51 AM

You had to watch the game to see the impact he had on it. His presence in the lineup gave the Clippers a huge lift, and they was able to come back and win(with Wang on the court when they took the lead after being down by double digits).

Usually Lurkin · 11-04-2002, 08:58 AM

The clips coach did have a nice quote that should be encouraging for Wang fans.

Personally, I'm just a little bit deflated because Wangs stats for the year don't look as cool anymore.

We'll see how he does with a little more time in their system.

Dooby · 11-04-2002, 11:33 AM

<< You had to watch the game to see the impact he had on it. His presence in the lineup gave the Clippers a huge lift, and they was able to come back and win(with Wang on the court when they took the lead after being down by double digits). >>

I checked the game log for the hell of it. Down 10 when Wang enters; go up 2; and are down 4 when Wang leaves. If Wang was playing so well, why didn't he play at the end of the game?

MavsRich · 11-04-2002, 11:36 AM

I think you have to ask Alvin Gentry that, his rotations have been questioned all season by the LA fans.

MavKikiNYC · 11-04-2002, 12:08 PM

<< If Wang was playing so well, why didn't he play at the end of the game? >>

Could be the same way Nájera gives the team a lift or helps change the flow of the game, but isn't really a closer.

I've seen a lot of players take time in learning to perform at crunch time--even Dirk, for example (and no, I'm not comparing Wang to Dirk).

Wang made a nice contribution to the Clips' win the other night, nothing more, nothing less.

Give credit for what he did and sit back to wait for more.

Evilmav2 · 11-04-2002, 08:22 PM

LOL... Wang scores 5 points and the Wang-Lovers-Leaguers come bleating out of their hidey holes...

David · 11-05-2002, 06:35 AM

I wonder how much of the anti-Wang sentiment goes something like this; "If Wang was any good, the Nellies would have re-signed him."

Personally, I think with Raef out, I think the Mavs can use all the help they can get, outside shooting-wise and seven footer-wise. The Mavs are, right now, having to count on Shawn Bradley and Evan Eschmeyer. How scary is that? "lol"

madape · 11-05-2002, 08:15 AM

<< The Mavs are, right now, having to count on Shawn Bradley and Evan Eschmeyer. How scary is that? "lol" >>

Not nearly as scary as having to count on Wang. LOL!! LOL!! LOL!!

Evilmav2 · 11-05-2002, 05:31 PM

I wonder how much of the anti-Wang sentiment goes something like this; "If Wang was any good, the Nellies would have re-signed him."

How about, "If Wang wasn't a despicable and ungrateful liar, the Nellies might have resigned him..."

David · 11-05-2002, 06:15 PM

Shawn Bradley, "lol".

madape · 11-05-2002, 06:38 PM

I love how Wang's fans are turning this into Wang vs. Bradley. If that's the case, we are going to be in for a VERY humorous season.

A preview of the 2002/2003 "lopsided debate of the year":

per 48 minute stats

Bradley
Points: 18
Rebounds: 16
Blocks: 3.3
Steals: 4.3
Assists: 0.8

Wang
Points: 22
Rebounds: 8.7
Blocks: 0
Steals: 0
Assists: 0

hmmm... looks like Wang beats out Bradley in points. Too bad he's shooting 20% compared to Bradley's 46%. Those zero assists don't exactly translate into offensive production either. I guess Wang still hasn't figured out that there are other people on the team too.

David · 11-05-2002, 10:04 PM

"Per 48 minute stats". "lol" Few players play 48 minutes. Those stats are absolutely meaningless. Bradley fouls out WAAAY before that and Wang has played 10 MINUTES once this year.

madape · 11-05-2002, 11:16 PM

Oh... OK. I extrapolated out to 48 minutes because Wang and Bradley's minutes aren't really comparable. But if you're serious, here is a comparison of per game averages.

BRADLEY
PPG 7.0
RPG 6.3
APG .3
SPG 1.67
BPG 1.33
FG% .462
FT% .750
3P% .000
MPG 19.0

WANG
PPG 2.5
RPG 1.0
APG .0
SPG .00
BPG .00
FG% .200
FT% .750
3P% .000
MPG 5.5

What was your point again?

Evilmav2 · 11-06-2002, 12:40 AM

Fallaciously strange arguments of "David" (what the heck does Wang have to do with Bradley?)... "LOL"

Strange Arguments of dumb Wang lovers/Bradley critics? Evil Skull agrees: LOL LOL LOL...

David · 11-06-2002, 06:40 AM

No Raef. The centers left on the roster are, Bradley and Eschmeyer. The Mavs are therefore counting on (lol) Bradley and Eschmeyer. Bradley gives the Mavs blocked shots like Raef. Wang WOULD HAVE given the Mavs 3 point shooting at a BETTER percentage than Raef. Without Raef AND Wang, there is NO 3 point shooting from the center position.

Big Boy Laroux · 11-06-2002, 08:40 AM

<< Without Raef AND Wang, there is NO 3 point shooting from the center position. >>

oh no! what do we do? maybe we should seek advice from the other teams in the NBA! their centers don't shoot threes! (oh, except maybe sabonis... and when wang is in the game for the clips... [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img] )

David · 11-06-2002, 06:34 PM

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<< Without Raef AND Wang, there is NO 3 point shooting from the center position. >>

oh no! what do we do? maybe we should seek advice from the other teams in the NBA! their centers don't shoot threes! (oh, except maybe sabonis... and when wang is in the game for the clips... [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img] ) >>

And isn't that what makes the Mavs unique? Anyone on the floor can shoot the three. You can't leave anybody open from outside, which opens up the inside against all those other team's centers. The Mavs can't go head to head against Shaq but they CAN force him to cover, or not cover, an open 3 point shooting center, but, unfortunately, Bradley(lol) and Eschmeyer don't shoot the 3. Raef does but he's out. Wang does(2nd best % on the team last year) but he works out of LA now.

Big Boy Laroux · 11-07-2002, 10:20 AM

guess what, david, the mavs can play without a 3-point shooting center. everyone else in the league does. the need for a 3-point shooting center only raises its head when we play the lakers. the only real asset to raef being able to shoot threes is to pull shaq (and shaq only) away from the lane. i don't think there's another center in the league that wouyld give us problems. and even if we lose all four times to the lakers this year, raef is still going to be back in PLENTY of time for the playoffs, so he can be shooting his threes then.

David · 11-07-2002, 06:14 PM

Personally, and it's probably just me, but I say take advantage of EVERY weapon you can get. Wang was the 2nd best 3 point shooter on the team last year. Tall guys, small guys, the 2nd best shooter of threes. He's gone and nothing was acquired in return. A lost asset. Like I said before, every player on the team can shoot threes with Raef or Wang in the game. Dirk, Fin, Nash, Raef and Wang or NVE, any of those 5. Who does the other team cover? It doesn't matter, someone will be open. That's gone. Now the Mavs are JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER TEAM IN THE NBA. If that's what you like in a team, you're rooting for one just like the rest. Why did you pick the Mavs out of the herd, they are all the same.

Evilmav2 · 11-07-2002, 09:02 PM

Now the Mavs are JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER TEAM IN THE NBA. If that's what you like in a team, you're rooting for one just like the rest. Why did you pick the Mavs out of the herd, they are all the same.

Is every other team in the league capable of winning 60 games this season? Is every other team in the league able to seriously contend for a championship? Losing Wang does nothing but open up a few minutes for Walt Williams, Najera, and Griffin. Your bitter glorification of the developing but flawed second stringer Wang makes about as much sense as your equating the Mavs with a "herd" of other teams. Why don't you stick to watching your newly beloved clippers if you are so disapointed in a Wang-less Mavs club?

Also, if you want to know why we don't have Wang anymore, it's because he lied to the Mavericks management, he lied to the Chinese Basketball Association, and he lied to his country about his intentions. We would have never given him up for nothing this Summer, without his dishonorable conduct forcing us to do so...

David · 11-08-2002, 06:40 AM

One of my favorite memories from the playoffs last season was Wang shooting a 3 by the sidelines and Garnett jumping and trying to block his shots. Oops, Wang made a ball fake, and Garnett almost broke his neck coming down. I don't think the TWolves wanted their 7 footer that far from the basket, but he was. That helped weaken the Minnesota defense. That won't happen this year. It's a long season. Time will tell about the Mav's record. The Mavs are already down to ONE center.

madape · 11-08-2002, 07:52 AM

My favorite memory was Wang getting abused by Divac for six straight layups before getting benched.

Big Boy Laroux · 11-08-2002, 09:41 AM

i don't think the wolves care where the hell garnett is. he can be anywhere on the court. he guarded mcgrady a couple games ago, all over the floor.

and i remember that play, david. everyone was surprised wang didn't shoot. even wang.

and david, i don't know about you, but i didn't "pick the mavs" this season. i've followed them when they weren't "like the rest," they were WORSE than the rest.

who was it that said at the beginning of the season, after wang left, "we'll just get those 2 minutes from someone else." i think it was fin. wang was not worth the time (after violating his agreement) or money. and the way he's looked with the clips so far, looks like the mavs were right. now, if he starts tearing it up, more power to him, but we don't need him like you desparately claim. he's no big loss. go join your boy RCF wherever he is, david. i guarantee you, that would also be no big loss.

madape · 11-08-2002, 12:16 PM

Wang's got two rebounds so far with about 5% of the season already gone. Assuming he won't get a DNP-CD EVERY night, that puts him on a pace to get about forty total this year. Which leaves us with about one hundred thousand pounds of bullshit for each rebound.

Evilmav2 · 11-08-2002, 04:21 PM

"Wang would have been our third center. That's a part of it. But it's quite clear he broke his word to us, and that really meant a lot to us."
Don Nelson

"It would be good to have him, but we're not going to miss him. We'll find the two or three points from somewhere else."
Mark Cuban

David · 11-08-2002, 05:40 PM

Right now, the Mavs are ONE Bradley injury away from Dirk being the full time, 48 minute center. Backing Dirk up will be who(?), Walt Williams? The Mavs are short of big guys, in case no one noticed, but I do give Don, Donnie and Mark credit for doing the politically correct thing to do. Political correctness should serve Mark's business interests in China nicely in the future. I hope Mark makes lots of nice money from the Commies.

David · 11-08-2002, 05:57 PM

<< i don't think the wolves care where the hell garnett is. he can be anywhere on the court. he guarded mcgrady a couple games ago, all over the floor. >>

If Garnett was on the Mavs, would you want him in rebounding position or out guarding people at the 3 point line?

<< and i remember that play, david. everyone was surprised wang didn't shoot. even wang. >>

Wang wasn't surprised. He did the smart thing, he ball faked.

<< and david, i don't know about you, but i didn't "pick the mavs" this season. i've followed them when they weren't "like the rest," they were WORSE than the rest. >>

I've followed them since the first year. I remember when the Mavs couldn't run their offense because the other teams pressed the PGs so much that they didn't have time to get a good shot off. They found Brad Davis playing in Alaska and suddenly they had a good enough ballhandler that the pressure on the ball didn't affect the offense.

<< who was it that said at the beginning of the season, after wang left, "we'll just get those 2 minutes from someone else." i think it was fin. wang was not worth the time (after violating his agreement) or money. and the way he's looked with the clips so far, looks like the mavs were right. now, if he starts tearing it up, more power to him, but we don't need him like you desparately claim. >>

For $2M per year the Mavs could have signed a better player than Eschmeyer that was ALREADY THEIR PROPERTY. Wang is not playing with the Clippers right now and the Clippers aren't winning either. I don't know exactly what the deal it in LA.

<< he's no big loss. >>

Unless Bradley goes down and Dirk has to play center full time.

<< go join your boy RCF wherever he is, david. >>

What makes you think RCF is gone?

<< i guarantee you, that would also be no big loss. >>

Thank you for your kind remark. You don't like people that express opinions other than those agreeing with your own, do you?

Big Boy Laroux · 11-08-2002, 06:09 PM

i have no problems with people disagreeing with me. it's just ridiculous statements like

"Now the Mavs are JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER TEAM IN THE NBA. If that's what you like in a team, you're rooting for one just like the rest. Why did you pick the Mavs out of the herd, they are all the same?"

that I have a problem with. why did you "pick the mavs" this season?

ok, so the garnett play. everyone knows wang shoots the three. that's all he did when he was here. so garnett thought he was going to shoot. if he were on the mavs, i would rather have garnett challenge the open shot than just camp out under the goal waiting for a rebound. and i was saying that even wang was surprised that he ball-faked, as it was probably the first time he had ever done so.

lots of "ifs" david. you act like losing Wang is the curse of the bambino... jeez. oh no, guys! the curse of wang will keep us from ever winning a title!

like someone (i think madape) has said before. china is an untapped resource of hoops. wang was certainly not worth screwing up the mavs' relationship with china, communist country or not. he's simply not that talented.

and you're welcome for the kind remark.

MavsManiac · 11-08-2002, 11:49 PM

<< Right now, the Mavs are ONE Bradley injury away from Dirk being the full time, 48 minute center. Backing Dirk up will be who(?), Walt Williams? The Mavs are short of big guys, in case no one noticed, but I do give Don, Donnie and Mark credit for doing the politically correct thing to do. Political correctness should serve Mark's business interests in China nicely in the future. I hope Mark makes lots of nice money from the Commies. >>

I don't get this... Mavs should have kept Wang simply to back up the back up of the back up center this season? Mavs lose two centers to injury, and suddenly they look like buffoons for not keeping Wang? I don't agree at all with that...

They have Raef to start, Bradley to relieve, Esch to pick up fouls & Dirk in emergencies... how many teams keep 5 centers?

MavKikiNYC · 11-09-2002, 12:40 AM

As things stand now, Mavs would've been better off depth-wise if they'd held onto Wang and actually begun to reap some benefit on their 2-year investment.

How many teams keep 5 centers? Can't think of any right off, but I'd guess that about 29 teams would like to platoon 5 such players, 3 of whom can play multiple positions.

But 5 players to cover 4 positions--C, PF, backup C, backup PF--isn't nearly as absurd as keeping 5 centers, and certainly not as tenuous as the position they find themselves in now.

At least the schedule seems to be working in their favor.

madape · 11-09-2002, 02:24 AM

A man in the late stages of syphylis can get a DNP-Coaches decison. Wang is about as worthless as a soiled diaper thown on the bottom of a truck stop gas station. The pathetic fool was funny while he lasted, but clown time is over. Put the traitor out of his misery. He's a riduculous joke. And no one is laughing.

Fidel · 11-09-2002, 05:59 AM

All of those Wang supporters who say he can´t produce because he gets the DNP-CD, that´s a bad argument. It´s allways the other way around. He gets the DNP because he can´t produce.

Usually Lurkin · 11-09-2002, 08:19 AM

<< All of those Wang supporters who say he can´t produce because he gets the DNP-CD, that´s a bad argument. It´s allways the other way around. He gets the DNP because he can´t produce. >>

yeah, and I walk backwards because the world spins in reverse.

MavKikiNYC · 11-09-2002, 11:38 AM

<< All of those Wang supporters who say he can´t produce because he gets the DNP-CD, that´s a bad argument. It´s allways the other way around. He gets the DNP because he can´t produce. >>

Do you think Wang would've gotten any minutes in the 4th quarter last night when the Mavs had a 30-point lead, Bradley needed a breather, Esch and LaF were injured, and the team started looking ahead toward Detroit? Just sounded like an odd situation for them to be up 30 points and concerned about having enough bodies.

David · 11-09-2002, 11:56 AM

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<< Right now, the Mavs are ONE Bradley injury away from Dirk being the full time, 48 minute center. Backing Dirk up will be who(?), Walt Williams? The Mavs are short of big guys, in case no one noticed, but I do give Don, Donnie and Mark credit for doing the politically correct thing to do. Political correctness should serve Mark's business interests in China nicely in the future. I hope Mark makes lots of nice money from the Commies. >>

I don't get this... Mavs should have kept Wang simply to back up the back up of the back up center this season? Mavs lose two centers to injury, and suddenly they look like buffoons for not keeping Wang? I don't agree at all with that...

They have Raef to start, Bradley to relieve, Esch to pick up fouls & Dirk in emergencies... how many teams keep 5 centers? >>

Eschmeyer and Bradley are centers ONLY.
Raef is a PF/C.
Dirk is a PF/SF/C.
Wang is a PF/C/SF depending on the matchups.

RIGHT NOW, there is no Raef. Esch is out and seems to be one of those perenially injured types. The Mavs have ONE true center, (lol) Shawn Bradley and ONE backup who is a starter at PF. Anyone else on the current roster is 6'8" and not named Wallace. The Mavs are SHORT at the center position. They could use another player who can play center, not a 6'8" player who is too short to play PF, playing C.