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DevinHarriswillstart · 10-27-2019, 02:38 PM

The biggest losers in all of this are Knicks fans. They get mad that the Knicks drafted Frank over DSJ and now are mad Dennis plays over Frank? What a joke. Karma is a bitch.

Dolan is the new Sterling...maybe worse.

sefant77 · 10-27-2019, 09:31 PM

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The biggest losers in all of this are Knicks fans. They get mad that the Knicks drafted Frank over DSJ and now are mad Dennis plays over Frank? What a joke. Karma is a bitch.

Dolan is the new Sterling...maybe worse.

Knicks fans and Dolan just deserve each other

Jack.Kerr · 12-01-2019, 02:32 PM

Harrison Barnes with 30 pts (6 in OT) to lead SAC to a come-from-behind OT win v DEN.

Did DAL really trade Barnes for JJAX and 'cap space'? Really?

DevinHarriswillstart · 12-01-2019, 04:49 PM

Barnes is great at carrying the load on a bad team, but he didn't fit with Luka at all otherwise they would have kept him.

And it's not Jackson's fault he can't get minutes. He averages 14 ppg in games where he gets 20 minutes or more this season. His shooting for the season is 49% FG and 45% from three.

EricaLubarsky · 12-01-2019, 05:19 PM

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Harrison Barnes with 30 pts (6 in OT) to lead SAC to a come-from-behind OT win v DEN.

Did DAL really trade Barnes for JJAX and 'cap space'? Really?

Jax plays off-ball. He's a perfect fit here.

Barnes is a ball-dominant forward. Great guy, but bad fit next to Doncic.

Jack.Kerr · 12-01-2019, 07:11 PM

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Jax plays off-ball. He's a perfect fit here.

Barnes is a ball-dominant forward. Great guy, but bad fit next to Doncic.

Is that the story now? Last I heard, people (perhaps you) were saying that he was a skilled player (and a great guy), but a poor value with his contract.

Ball-dominant? I remember that he focused on scoring when he was the only threat they had, but I would not call him 'ball-dominant'.

Bad fit next to Luka? What kind of player is the right fit next to Luka? One who can hit the 3? Barnes does that. One who can score in the low post? Barnes does that. One who can get to the free-throw line? Barnes does that.

So what're the Mavs looking to upgrade this year? They're looking for a reliable second scorer, and they appear to need someone who could get baskets and/or FTs from easy shots inside. Unlikely that a Hardaway hot streak is going to carry them into the playoffs.

I don't think the Mavs ever intended to use that cap space; it was all about keeping payroll low to manageable.

In the end, it amounted to a Jackson-Barnes trade. Bad deal for the Mavericks.

Thespiralgoeson · 12-01-2019, 07:53 PM

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In the end, it amounted to a Jackson-Barnes trade. Bad deal for the Mavericks.

I'd say it's more like like a Jackson-Wright trade.

It was a salary move, and a necessary one considering the bad contracts the Mavs had to take on in the KP trade. Whether or the Mavs use their cap space wisely afterward is a separate debate.

Bad deal for the Mavs? Meh, I'm not losing sleep over it. I like Barnes just fine, but let's not make him out to be more than what he is. If he was still here right now, he'd be a marginal upgrade at best.

Scoobay · 12-02-2019, 10:05 AM

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I'd say it's more like like a Jackson-Wright trade.

It was a salary move, and a necessary one considering the bad contracts the Mavs had to take on in the KP trade. Whether or the Mavs use their cap space wisely afterward is a separate debate.

Bad deal for the Mavs? Meh, I'm not losing sleep over it. I like Barnes just fine, but let's not make him out to be more than what he is. If he was still here right now, he'd be a marginal upgrade at best.

Agree - Barnes had gone from a 4th option type of player to having to be "the man" for the Mavs - would he have just as easily swung back to being just another cog in the Mavs' current offense? We see the same struggle going on with THJ - no need for another 20 million player who's probably not going to put us over the top. Might be better for a year or two but doesn't move the needle to making us a top team.

I think Barnes is a great guy, tough player, but sending him out was the right move.

Jack.Kerr · 12-02-2019, 11:07 AM

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I'd say it's more like like a Jackson-Wright trade.

It was a salary move, and a necessary one considering the bad contracts the Mavs had to take on in the KP trade. Whether or the Mavs use their cap space wisely afterward is a separate debate.

Bad deal for the Mavs? Meh, I'm not losing sleep over it. I like Barnes just fine, but let's not make him out to be more than what he is. If he was still here right now, he'd be a marginal upgrade at best.

I am interpreting that to mean Jackson/Wright for Barnes? Diversification of risk is good, but still that's two lesser players, neither one of whom will ever be at Barnes' level.

I see a lot of people talking about the Mavericks needing to upgrade their roster; I agree. But I don't see a blockbuster deal in the Mavs' near future, so any upgrade is going to be 'marginal'.

It seems like that by trading Barnes, the Mavs always intended to be taking one (or two) steps back now, in order to take one step forward in the future. That's losing ground, not gaining ground.

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Agree - Barnes had gone from a 4th option type of player to having to be "the man" for the Mavs - would he have just as easily swung back to being just another cog in the Mavs' current offense? We see the same struggle going on with THJ - no need for another 20 million player who's probably not going to put us over the top. Might be better for a year or two but doesn't move the needle to making us a top team.

I think Barnes is a great guy, tough player, but sending him out was the right move.

In GS, Barnes was deferring to Curry and Thompson for sure; probably being stepped over for shots by vets and/or shothogs like Green, Iguodala, Livingston. Yes, he worked to fit in, which I think is what you want?

Were Porzingis' struggles unforeseen? At a minimum, Barnes would've been the 'other' scoring option for Doncic to feed while KP finds his footing, and a long 2/3 who'd have been a versatile defender.

If the point is that Barnes (even with his contract) was tradeable, whereas Hardaway with his millstone of a contract was not, I agree.

If the point is to re-set expectations, and to say that this team (as constructed) shouldn't be expected to advance into that playoffs, I can accept that too, despite some of the irrational exuberance expressed in GDTs.