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tcat075 · 07-02-2009, 11:22 PM

Rhylan · 07-02-2009, 11:35 PM

Gortat is the white Jerome James.

Or Calvin Booth.

Rasho Nesterovic also comes to mind.

If this guy gets MLE for multiple years we're stupid.

aexchange · 07-02-2009, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhylan

Gortat is the white Jerome James.

Or Calvin Booth.

Rasho Nesterovic also comes to mind.

If this guy gets MLE for multiple years we're stupid.

The same thought also occurred to me.

Best case, this guy comes close to being Memet Okur.

Worst case, he's Jerome James, a guy who hit the lotto off one good playoff run. This has high bust potential written all over it.

CadBane · 07-02-2009, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by aexchange

The same thought also occurred to me.

Best case, this guy comes close to being Memet Okur.

Worst case, he's Jerome James, a guy who hit the lotto off one good playoff run. This has high bust potential written all over it.

Maybe I'm not following....but Gortat is absolutely NOTHING like Okur in any respect...so why the comparison?

aexchange · 07-03-2009, 12:01 AM

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Maybe I'm not following....but Gortat is absolutely NOTHING like Okur in any respect...so why the comparison?

gortat isnt anything like james either.

the point of the comparison was that like okur who was relatively overhyped in relation to his production in detroit, we'll either get something at best that pretty serviceable, or at worst is going to be a horrendous personnel decision.

CadBane · 07-03-2009, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by aexchange

gortat isnt anything like james either.

the point of the comparison was that like okur who was relatively overhyped in relation to his production in detroit, we'll either get something at best that pretty serviceable, or at worst is going to be a horrendous personnel decision.

Ah, I see. I never got the impression that Okur got a lot of hype back when he was with Detroit. Although I would say he was good off the bench with them, not a one hit wonder like Jerome James.

Also, I don't see Gortat as a bust. EVERY TIME the man got a start/lots of minutes due to Howard being injured/suspended/foul trouble ect., he produced big time. He's athletic, great hops, great rebounder, can run the floor, can finish, good defender (especially weakside). I don't see him as a J. James who was overhyped bc he scored in the post decently vs. SA in the playoffs, rd. 1 mind you. Gortat is for real.

eyedentifyme · 07-02-2009, 11:58 PM

Gortat looks good in this clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuxwxBQNSQk
A lot teams use center by committee anyways, if push comes to shove, Hollins and Singleton should use all 12 of their fouls so that in crunch time, Gortat can finish the game.

Windmill360 · 07-02-2009, 11:58 PM

Gortat can run.

sike · 07-03-2009, 12:07 AM

I've seen enough of Gortat in the past 20 minutes on youtube to KNOW he is already way better than Damp at finishing around the rim and simply at catching the ball in general.

But Damp is a dang fine rebounder and defender of the larger/slowish type 5s.

jthig32 · 07-03-2009, 12:11 AM

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I've seen enough of Gortat in the past 20 minutes on youtube to KNOW he is already way better than Damp at finishing around the rim and simply at catching the ball in general.

That's absolute fact. No doubt. You could also say the same about Ryan Hollins, but I don't think anyone's clamoring for him to start (other than SMC).

I'm just trying to temper expectations, more than anything. Expectations are a big reason why Damp is so underappreciated around here. Let's let young Gortat come in with manageable expectations, no? (Assuming he comes at all).

sike · 07-03-2009, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

That's absolute fact. No doubt. You could also say the same about Ryan Hollins, but I don't think anyone's clamoring for him to start (other than SMC).

To be fair, thiggy, the skill sets don't look that close between Hollins and "The Hammer"...unless you mean that they are comporable bc they are both still so unproven. To which I would say Gortat has proven far more capable in his short burn than Hollins in his.

But yes...they both have better hands than Damp.

I've always respected Damp for what he is...a very specialized player.

BGMaverick9 · 07-03-2009, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

That's absolute fact. No doubt. You could also say the same about Ryan Hollins, but I don't think anyone's clamoring for him to start (other than SMC).

I'm just trying to temper expectations, more than anything. Expectations are a big reason why Damp is so underappreciated around here. Let's let young Gortat come in with manageable expectations, no? (Assuming he comes at all).

I, myself, have very high hopes but I can maintain a sense of realism. He's been in a different system than we run. I think he's headed in the right direction to be a pretty talented guy. It's just going to take some time to adapt. Damp as the safety net is very good short-term insurance, but the intention def. seems to be that Gortat is being groomed as our future Center. His skill-set though can translate into a new system, what he does is what Carlisle and Donnie preached that we needed in a bad way.

If I'm Carlisle on Day 1 of training camp and they're both here: Damp it's yours right now, but it's still an open competition.

sike · 07-03-2009, 12:19 AM

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I'm just trying to temper expectations...

But you are guaranteeing that your boy Gortty will average 13/11/2, right?

grndmstr_c · 07-03-2009, 12:21 AM

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But you are guaranteeing that your boy Gortty will average 13/11/2, right?

If he doesn't I'm blaming that on BG, too.

sike · 07-03-2009, 12:23 AM

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If he doesn't I'm blaming that on BG, too.

wise man.

BGMaverick9 · 07-03-2009, 12:23 AM

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If he doesn't I'm blaming that on BG, too.

Bring it on foo!

You were sippin' the kool-aid as well!

SMC0007 · 07-03-2009, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

That's absolute fact. No doubt. You could also say the same about Ryan Hollins, but I don't think anyone's clamoring for him to start (other than SMC).

I'm just trying to temper expectations, more than anything. Expectations are a big reason why Damp is so underappreciated around here. Let's let young Gortat come in with manageable expectations, no? (Assuming he comes at all).

Apparently you banged you head a little too hard. Come on, You are sucking the life force out of this potential move. I think a lot of people understand the risk and reward thing on this deal if it gets done. If some don't get the point you are OVER-driving home then so be it, they aren't gonna.

I haven't been clamoring for Hollins to start haha. Damp throttles most Mav fans that watch him play, sorry. He just doesn't do much for A LOT of folks aside from you.

jthig32 · 07-03-2009, 12:48 AM

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Apparently you banged you head a little too hard. Come on, You are sucking the life force out of this potential move. I think a lot of people understand the risk and reward thing on this deal if it gets done. If some don't get the point you are OVER-driving home then so be it, they aren't gonna.

I haven't been clamoring for Hollins to start haha. Damp throttles most Mav fans that watch him play, sorry. He just doesn't do much for A LOT of folks aside from you.

Aw c'mon. People are comparing Gortat to Calvin Booth and Jim McYlvane and I'M sucking the life force out of the move??

I was minding my own business, just me and my desk, until Chum came along and completely mis-characterized what I was even trying to say. Since then I've fallen into the pit known as "it's after 12:00 and Chum is bored". And for that I do apologize.

chumdawg · 07-03-2009, 12:56 AM

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Aw c'mon. People are comparing Gortat to Calvin Booth and Jim McYlvane and I'M sucking the life force out of the move??

I was minding my own business, just me and my desk, until Chum came along and completely mis-characterized what I was even trying to say. Since then I've fallen into the pit known as "it's after 12:00 and Chum is bored". And for that I do apologize.

Poeple? Rhylan mentioned the "white" Jerome James, or Calvin Booth. Yeah, that's pretty convincing. You were the one who brought up McYlvane.

My guess is that Marcin Gortat ends up a way better player than any of those guys. You, on the other hand, seem to think that the idea that he would be better than even Damp is "RIDICULOUS," to quote you.

That's not sucking the lifeforce out of the move? You make that bold proclamation, which is in itself depressing, and expect no response?

Flacolaco · 07-03-2009, 12:09 AM

I'm Flacolaco, and I approve all of thig's messages.

Also, totally separate from this....Having a contrary point of view just for the sake of argument and boredom is so awesome. If anyone ever starts that bit up, let me know. That's certainly never been done before.

chumdawg · 07-03-2009, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Flacolaco

I'm Flacolaco, and I approve all of thig's messages.

Also, totally separate from this....Having a contrary point of view just for the sake of argument and boredom is so awesome. If anyone ever starts that bit up, let me know. That's certainly never been done before.

How are you defining "contrary," boss? Contrary to what you approve? Or contrary to what the Mavs are doing?

badfish22 · 07-03-2009, 12:13 AM

So apparently after we got a commitment by Gortat, the Rockets "shifted gears" and picked up Trevor Ariza for the MLE. For the same price, Ariza is a much better pick up than Gortat. I'm sure he would have rather come here and play on a playoff team, right?

nowhereman · 07-03-2009, 03:59 AM

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So apparently after we got a commitment by Gortat, the Rockets "shifted gears" and picked up Trevor Ariza for the MLE. For the same price, Ariza is a much better pick up than Gortat. I'm sure he would have rather come here and play on a playoff team, right?

Not really sure how high up "winning" is on Ariza's priority list right now. I don't think he'd want to be 4th or 5th dog in Dallas when he could have had the same role in LA.

Flacolaco · 07-03-2009, 12:13 AM

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I'm just trying to temper expectations, more than anything.

I've been trying to do that on this board for 3 years.

People do not want to hear that, trust me. They want unabashed hope and change...not unlike another group of people who are bound to be disappointed with their idiotic homerific approach with extra optimism and minimal logic.

Flacolaco · 07-03-2009, 12:23 AM

If Gortat's potential is even half as good as his supporters are saying, then he should improve rather quickly. Damp's foul trouble will give the young man ample opportunity.

sike · 07-03-2009, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Flacolaco

If Gortat's potential is even half as good as his supporters are saying, then he should improve rather quickly. Damp's foul trouble will give the young man ample opportunity.

Oh...its half as good. Its totally half as good!

...wait??

Flacolaco · 07-03-2009, 12:26 AM

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Oh...its half as good. Its totally half as good!

...wait??

I believe a certain moron comic might opine after a post such as yours..."and there's your sign."

That's just what kind of off-season it is. We're all up late on a Thursday, pissing and moaning about MARCIN GORTAT.

sike · 07-03-2009, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Flacolaco

I believe a certain moron comic might opine after a post such as yours..."and there's your sign."

That's just what kind of off-season it is. We're all up late on a Thursday, pissing and moaning about MARCIN GORTAT.

You can't "here's your sign" a guy who knows he is being moronic, can you??? Can you??!!!

on the record, I think this could be a great signing and should be considered a very strong move.

now make that Stack Chip dance, donnie!!!! Make it Dance!!!

BGMaverick9 · 07-03-2009, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Flacolaco

I believe a certain moron comic might opine after a post such as yours..."and there's your sign."

That's just what kind of off-season it is. We're all up late on a Thursday, pissing and moaning about MARCIN GORTAT.

In country where a bunch of people are going to gorge on junk food and drink like it's going away and lighting up fireworks...

AMERICA!!!

dalger · 07-03-2009, 12:27 AM

Assuming that we're not planning on investing $30-plus million in a back-up center, I hope that Gortat turns into the player the FO apparently sees in him. It's a risky move, no doubt, but the upside could be huge. As much as Damp might be underrated around these parts, it's undeniable that we won't win anything with him as our starting center, therefore I'm willing to role the dice on Gortat and see whether he can become a more capable center than Damp. Gortat, at worst, might just not be good enough to help us pursue our championship goals, but he potentially could be good enough and rather cheap at the same time. With Damp, we already know that he isn't good enough.

With that said, one year from now we might very well be complaining about the fact that we didn't trade for a proven center like Camby, Kaman, or Chandler.

sike · 07-03-2009, 12:29 AM

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With Damp, we already know that he isn't good enough.

that is a fair and true statement, sir.

Windmill360 · 07-03-2009, 12:31 AM

look at that shnoz

sike · 07-03-2009, 12:32 AM

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look at that shnoz

stop making fun of his nose! 360, stop hating the Polish!!!

edit: dang it...I just saw that you actually were commenting on his nose. I didn't see the text before. oh well.

Underdog · 07-03-2009, 12:36 AM

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look at that shnoz

Ancient Polish weapon - that's how he creates momentum to get into the paint...

BGMaverick9 · 07-03-2009, 12:36 AM

I will say one thing...you gotta give them props for going out and making a splash with signing a top tier FA big out of this FA group. They've done what they can, they got the guy to say yes. How many times have we heard stories where we've gone on woo-fests and wined and dined guys and the guy signed somewhere else. Either that or we went after guys like George, EJ, Buckner and etc.

It's new territory, hopefully it works.

Underdog · 07-03-2009, 12:37 AM

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I will say one thing...you gotta give them props for going out and making a splash with signing a top tier FA big out of this FA group. They've done what they can, they got the guy to say yes. How many times have we heard stories where we've gone on woo-fests and wined and dined guys and the guy signed somewhere else. Either that or we went after guys like George, EJ, Buckner and etc.

It's new territory, hopefully it works.

Great outlook - at least this is something new...

BGMaverick9 · 07-03-2009, 12:39 AM

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Great outlook - at least this is something new...

It's a risk, no doubt...but for a guy who could potentially start to hit his stride in a position that is incredibly hard to find, at that price - it's a risk you've gotta take. You can't win big if you don't try.

Underdog · 07-03-2009, 12:43 AM

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It's a risk, no doubt...but for a guy who could potentially start to hit his stride in a position that is incredibly hard to find, at that price - it's a risk you've gotta take. You can't win big if you don't try.

Go big or go home - this could be the hail mary that keeps Dirk here and possibly brings a ring to Dallas (or it could be the straw that breaks the camel's back...)

sike · 07-03-2009, 12:46 AM

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Go big or go home - this could be the hail mary that keeps Dirk here and possibly brings a ring to Dallas (or it could be the straw that breaks the camel's back...)

that was beautiful...you should be a writer.

sike · 07-03-2009, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

I will say one thing...you gotta give them props for going out and making a splash with signing a top tier FA big out of this FA group. They've done what they can, they got the guy to say yes. How many times have we heard stories where we've gone on woo-fests and wined and dined guys and the guy signed somewhere else. Either that or we went after guys like George, EJ, Buckner and etc.

It's new territory, hopefully it works.

and (hate to beat a dead horse) but they did this without using Stack....which means at least one more serious move is going to happen!