Trade ideas, predictions, fantasies

[rimrocker]

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

The fact that they didn't trade Marion today is a pretty good indication that the better opportunity you speak of didn't exist.

You are probably right but I have a hard time believing that nobody would give up an expiring for Marion.

SJax for Marion would have vastly improved SA.
I also liked Skin's idea of Sefolosha, Maynor and Lamb for Marion.

Both of those trades would have benefited both teams imo.

[BPo001]

Originally Posted by rimrocker

You are probably right but I have a hard time believing that nobody would give up an expiring for Marion.

SJax for Marion would have vastly improved SA.
I also liked Skin's idea of Sefolosha, Maynor and Lamb for Marion.

Both of those trades would have benefited both teams imo.

How does Jax for Marion help the Mavs? You think Cuban would want to send him to one of our biggest rivals?

[BGMaverick9]

Originally Posted by BPo001

How does Jax for Marion help the Mavs? You think Cuban would want to send him to one of our biggest rivals?

That's an outlook that only a bitter person looks at. You're looking at deals with the sole intention of making your team better in the long run.

[grndmstr_c]

Originally Posted by rimrocker

You are probably right but I have a hard time believing that nobody would give up an expiring for Marion.

SJax for Marion would have vastly improved SA.
I also liked Skin's idea of Sefolosha, Maynor and Lamb for Marion.

Both of those trades would have benefited both teams imo.

You, sir, have just outed yourself as a Spurs fan.

More seriously, the Sef/Maynor/Lamb idea is interesting, but I don't think OKC would do that trade, even with Marion being the best player of the bunch.

[mavs777]

Marion's value will be higher in the offseason when he is a expiring for the upcoming year. And if somehow Mavs do need to lose his contract cause someone is about to sign for max or near it they will be able to trade him for a pick to teams well under the cap like ATL.

[mavs777]

I find it hilarious that there were people in here clamoring for JJ Hickson or JJ Redick for a first. What's the point of Redick they already have two very good SG's. Hickson is one of those empty stat padders, he is one of the worst defensive bigs in the game, plays no defense, and is going to get paid more than he is worth. In no way is he worth a first, not to mention his best position is PF. I'm glad Cuban didn't make a panic deal.

[mavs777]

Mavs may have about a 10% shot at Dwight but they need to take that shot at this point, and it is laughable to think Lakers will chose Dwight's destination in a sign and trade for him, as Dwight put it he is making this decision on his own. Also it isn't really 30 million dollars unless he has a career ending injury.

[JeffViggiano]

Originally Posted by mavs777

I find it hilarious that there were people in here clamoring for JJ Hickson or JJ Redick for a first. What's the point of Redick they already have two very good SG's. Hickson is one of those empty stat padders, he is one of the worst defensive bigs in the game, plays no defense, and is going to get paid more than he is worth. In no way is he worth a first, not to mention his best position is PF. I'm glad Cuban didn't make a panic deal.

i quote all.

[oilfieldtrash]

Originally Posted by sefant77

Explain the S&T with Dwight to Brooklyn.

Brook Lopez for Dwight Howard in the offseason. Howard still gets the full 5 yr max and gets to go where he wants or he re signs in LA for full 5 yr max.

[j0Shi]

Originally Posted by oilfieldtrash

Brook Lopez for Dwight Howard in the offseason. Howard still gets the full 5 yr max and gets to go where he wants or he re signs in LA for full 5 yr max.

That move alone is not allowed since Brooklyn would be above the apron after the trade. Also S&T-contracts are limited to 4 years.

[grndmstr_c]

Bets on who the high salary guy(s) Dallas (per Cuban) was close to making deals for? My mind goes to Eric Gordon first.

[oilfieldtrash]

Originally Posted by j0Shi

That move alone is not allowed since Brooklyn would be above the apron after the trade. Also S&T-contracts are limited to 4 years.

Well I guess we just have to hope he leaves LA then. In the interview with Ben and Skin Cuban even said that the way the cba is set up there really is only a 10-15% chance a player leaves for another team and we all know he's talking about Howard. So I think they have different designs on this team. Sounded like they plan on being a competitive team but leave that $ open for the franchise guy whenever he comes along.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

Bets on who the high salary guy(s) Dallas (per Cuban) was close to making deals for? My mind goes to Eric Gordon first.

My bet is on the high chance that it's just words from Cuban. Nothing significant was really that close.

[grndmstr_c]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

My bet is on the high chance that it's just words from Cuban. Nothing significant was really that close.

How about this then. Which significant player that the Mavs made inquiries about did they think they had the best chance at landing?

[sefant77]

I would laugh my ass off if Dwight, Josh and Morrow sit together in the summer and decide that Dwight&Josh take some less and we play next season with

X
Morrow
Smith
Dirk
Dwight

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[rimrocker]

Originally Posted by BPo001

How does Jax for Marion help the Mavs? You think Cuban would want to send him to one of our biggest rivals?

Howard actually included SJax as one of the top 5 players in the league that he would love to play with...Morrow, DWill, CP3 and Monta Ellis were the others.
Plus SJax is an expiring contract and will most likely sign a contract at a small fraction of what Marion will be making next season.

If the strategy is to real in D12 the Mavs will need to have better bait than three 35+yo core players. Best to have as much dry powder as possible going into the off season.

And Cuban would do anything to land Howard. I'd take my chances with Dirk/D12/Carter/SJax/Morrow and another star caliber FA over Duncan/Parker/Marion/Ginobli and any others on that team.

[rimrocker]

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

You, sir, have just outed yourself as a Spurs fan.

LOL...

[Melonhead]

Cuban just can't help himself talking about the Lakers.

[grndmstr_c]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Cuban just can't help himself talking about the Lakers.

They call it publicity.

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

They call it publicity.

Its the content though. Speaking on radio about what the Lakers hypothetically have to do. I just thought it was pointless to talk about amnesty Kobe etc.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by BPo001

How does Jax for Marion help the Mavs? You think Cuban would want to send him to one of our biggest rivals?

The Mavs are not the spurs rivals anymore, they are back to being little brother.

[j0Shi]

Originally Posted by dude1394

The Mavs are not the spurs rivals anymore, they are back to being little brother.

Dunno who made up that a rivalry is a rivalry only when to teams are competitive. I can tell you most soccer rivalries don't care about such minor crap, at least not the fans. Never quite get why it's so different in American Sports.

It makes no sense.

[Melonhead]

Mavs 5th toughest remaining schedule. Rockets 4th easiest. Jazz 8th toughest.

Jazz could fall, and then its up to lakers/mavs to take it.

[mavs777]

Originally Posted by oilfieldtrash

Brook Lopez for Dwight Howard in the offseason. Howard still gets the full 5 yr max and gets to go where he wants or he re signs in LA for full 5 yr max.

You seem to not understand the rules, Brooklyn is about 22 million over the apron so they cannot sign and trade.

[mavs777]

Originally Posted by dude1394

The Mavs are not the spurs rivals anymore, they are back to being little brother.

uh no, that is not how rivalries work.

[rimrocker]

Originally Posted by BPo001

How does Jax for Marion help the Mavs? You think Cuban would want to send him to one of our biggest rivals?

Well look at it this way...wouldn't a "rival" be more interesting if the Mavs had a team that could compete with the Spurs?
Subtracting Marion to add a superstar and a potential sidekick for that superstar and Dirk would at least make us relevant again and I think that would satisfy Cuban even if it did make the Spurs better.

[oilfieldtrash]

Originally Posted by rimrocker

Well look at it this way...wouldn't a "rival" be more interesting if the Mavs had a team that could compete with the Spurs?
Subtracting Marion to add a superstar and a potential sidekick for that superstar and Dirk would at least make us relevant again and I think that would satisfy Cuban even if it did make the Spurs better.

I've rethought this. We would essentially be giving up Marion which is still a very nice piece for nothing. We can still use him next year while getting our value out of his contract. Then the year after we still have him coming off the books. We maximize our assets more that way IMO.

[BPo001]

He’s (Jennings) established himself as one of the best scoring point guards in the league, averaging 18.9 points and 6.1 assists per game. He’s the kind of young (23 years old) talent that the Mavericks might covet with their pile of free-agent cash to spend this summer. If so, the feeling seems to be mutual. “Yeah, of course,” Jennings said when asked if he could see himself fitting in Dallas. “You’ve got Dirk Nowitzki, you’ve got O.J. Mayo, Elton Brand, Chris Kaman. “Who wouldn’t want to play in an environment like this every night? You’ve got an owner who’s so into his team and everything like that. Every time you see the Mavs, you see him cheering or going crazy. They won a championship. They’re about winning.” Dallas Morning News
Read more at http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm#ucMBfd2o0ZjLeGYm.99

[pepe]

Take a guess, what will be the next contract for:

1. Manu
2. Tiago
3. CBrewer
4. JCalderon

I will like to put BRush and KLowry in the conversation but I think both have players option, BRush (4) Lowry (6.5) I might be wrong

[purplefrog]

I have a question about the amnesty clause. Is a team allowed to only amnesty one player for the rest of eternity or is it one amnesty per year or somewhere in between? Just curious, because when you look at the potential team salaries there are several that are in real trouble (Denver, LA Clippers) unless they can trade a high salary player or are willing to pay a ridiculous amount of luxury tax. Anyway, just curious.

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by purplefrog

I have a question about the amnesty clause. Is a team allowed to only amnesty one player for the rest of eternity or is it one amnesty per year or somewhere in between? Just curious, because when you look at the potential team salaries there are several that are in real trouble (Denver, LA Clippers) unless they can trade a high salary player or are willing to pay a ridiculous amount of luxury tax. Anyway, just curious.

One time deal.

[grndmstr_c]

Some guys who might get amnestied this summer.

-Boozer
-Villanueva
-Pau
-MWP
-Mike Miller
-Gooden
-Bargnani

[mavs777]

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

Some guys who might get amnestied this summer.

-Boozer
-Villanueva
-Pau
-MWP
-Mike Miller
-Gooden
-Bargnani

Pau won't be amnestied with 1 year left on his deal.

[spreedom]

Originally Posted by mavs777

Pau won't be amnestied with 1 year left on his deal.

I believe with an Amnesty of Pau and one more small deal the Lakers would be saving about $85M when you factor in the repeater tax.

[dude1394]

All of their contracts except for nashie expire next year. I've heard metta world peace being talked about amnesty....it will be interesting to see what they do. I'd trade pay for sure and probably metta if possible. But I don't know wat the cba precludes anymore to be honest.

[dirt_dobber]

Originally Posted by purplefrog

I have a question about the amnesty clause. Is a team allowed to only amnesty one player for the rest of eternity or is it one amnesty per year or somewhere in between? Just curious, because when you look at the potential team salaries there are several that are in real trouble (Denver, LA Clippers) unless they can trade a high salary player or are willing to pay a ridiculous amount of luxury tax. Anyway, just curious.

as mac22b said it is a one time deal

-but I will add-
Here is another catch: a player is only available to be cut if he was on the team when the 2011 lockout ended and if he is on the same contract that he was on when the lockout ended.*

Because of these requirements, some teams have lost their chance. There are 14 teams that still have their amnesty clause available, but some will not be on this list.

These are some of the teams and potential amnesty targets……
Bobcats – Tyrus Thomas
Pistons - Villanueva
Lakers – Pau – only 1 year left but at $19mil.
Heat – Mike Miller 2 more years for total of $12mil.
Bucks - Ersan Ilyasova*
Thunder - Perkins
Kings – possible 3 candidates
Raptors – Demar Rozen or Bargnani



here is the wiki answer (check out the last sentence) ~~~~~
Each team is allowed to waive a player without having their salary count toward the salary cap or luxury tax. One player can be waived prior to the start of any season from 2011–12 through 2015–16. It can be exercised during the seven days that follow the July moratorium. Each team is restricted to one "amnestied" player during that time. Only players signed prior to 2011–12 are eligible.

[grndmstr_c]

Originally Posted by mavs777

Pau won't be amnestied with 1 year left on his deal.

Perhaps you're unfamiliar with the luxury tax? The Lakers are clearly in an unusual situation with their revenue stream being what it is, but with the amount of money they stand to save by amnestying Pau (who was basically an MLE player for them this year) they'd be stupid not to consider it. He's absolutely a candidate.