OFFICIAL: Deron Williams to Dallas!!

[ocelot_ark]

Originally Posted by DGM

the someone behind dirk and evans is powell

Haha... Duh. Forgot about DP.

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[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by mavs777

People need to realize that Carlisle only has 1 year left on his deal. He is one of the best coaches in the NBA, and does not want to go through a rebuilding process, it's probably a big reason why we overpaid to make sure Wes came here. Losing him would be a major blow to the organization.

Outside the Carlisle/dirk owe factor tanking makes a ton of sense it really does but keeping Carlisle has to be a huge priority

Carlisle doesn't want to rebuild, so you think spinning the wheels in the mud with a broken down pathetic bitch of a roster of washed up scrubs eeking out 35 wins is going to convince him to stay?

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

I'm speaking of rookies.

Well, you said "young players" -- I can only debate the words you use.

As for rookies -- which team aside from San Antonio has had much success developing late picks? Roddy and DoJo aren't even in the league anymore -- how can you fault Rick for not giving those spares more minutes?

[Dtownsfinest]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Well, you said "young players" -- I can only debate the words you use.

As for rookies -- which team aside from San Antonio has had much success developing late picks? Roddy and DoJo aren't even in the league anymore -- how can you fault Rick for not giving those spares more minutes?

Come on UD.....there's not even an attempt to develop rookies here. I'm not saying have Spurs success but there's not even a effort in drafting guys here let alone playing them. I don't fault Carlisle for what he has to work with because that in itself is a depressing. We drafted undersized guards who can't shoot or play defense. That's not even the correct approach to the draft.

But I also think part of the approach to the draft is because Carlisle likes a certain type of player that isn't available for us in the late 1st round of drafts.

[Budapest Maverick]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Well, you said "young players" -- I can only debate the words you use.

As for rookies -- which team aside from San Antonio has had much success developing late picks? Roddy and DoJo aren't even in the league anymore -- how can you fault Rick for not giving those spares more minutes?

Roddy was derailed by injuries, and you know it.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

Come on UD.....there's not even an attempt to develop rookies here.

How do you develop rookies who sit on a bench full of veterans that have provided the depth that has kept us in contention over all these years? Remember, Dirk has never had a true sidekick -- it was our depth that won us a ring... Hell, if Rick had kept giving Roddy minutes instead of benching him in favor of a veteran like Stevenson, then we wouldn't even be talking about a championship.

Also, why did Rick spend so much time & attention developing Crowder if he doesn't like young players? Did Rick suddenly flip a switch and start taking this stuff seriously? It's not like Crowder wasn't also buried behind veterans on a "win-now" team...

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by Budapest Maverick

Roddy was derailed by injuries, and you know it.

He's healthy now... Which team is he playing for, again?

You guys drank waaaaay too much of the "Free Roddy B" kool-aide that Fish was serving up.

[Dtownsfinest]

Originally Posted by Underdog

How do you develop rookies who sit on a bench full of veterans that have provided the depth that has kept us in contention over all these years? Remember, Dirk has never had a true sidekick -- it was our depth that won us a ring... Hell, if Rick had kept giving Roddy minutes instead of benching him in favor of a veteran like Stevenson, then we wouldn't even be talking about a championship.

Also, why did Rick spend so much time & attention developing Crowder if he doesn't like young players? Did Rick suddenly flip a switch and start taking this stuff seriously? It's not like Crowder wasn't also buried behind veterans on a "win-now" team...

So you believe that the 10 minutes per game that Crowder got here last year was developing him and spending time and attention to do it?

I'm not blaming Carlisle for how he is. I know most veteran coaches like to play vets. I get it. But I also think part of the problem is that the front office doesn't invest much in the draft because they put more focus on vets because that's what Carlisle will play. Its why they had no problem trading a 1st rounder for Rondo because at the time they felt Rondo had a better shot at starting for them than any future first rounder would.

[Dtownsfinest]

Originally Posted by Underdog

He's healthy now... Which team is he playing for, again?

You guys drank waaaaay too much of the "Free Roddy B" kool-aide that Fish was serving up.

I can't really speak on Roddy. I can't sit here and say he couldn't play in the league because she showed time and time again he could. I do feel like he got a unfair shake in his development process here but at the same time his treatment was probably no different than what Pop initially gave Parker and Parker turned into a All Star. Some guys have it and some guys don't and Roddy apparently didn't since he's not in the league.

[Dirkgreatness]

If he comes hopefully it's with a chip on his shoulder and gets back in shape. I've seen Rick revive careers here no doubt it my mind he can do the same for Deron.

[Bryan_Wilson]

Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

So you believe that the 10 minutes per game that Crowder got here last year was developing him and spending time and attention to do it?

You could mention his minutes were reduced from prior years because we had a cog at the wing with Aminu who is also young and was considered a bust and RC played him and now he's a starter making 7.5m per for the Blazers. We also had Parsons who needed time early to find a groove with his new team. RJ got burn because we were devoid of shooters. The reason he got 10min a game this last year is because he simply wasn't as good as Parsons or Aminu and RJ was needed for his 1 skill he was signed for.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

The reason he got 10min a game this last year is because he simply wasn't as good as Parsons or Aminu and RJ was needed for his 1 skill he was signed for.

Which is the argument you could make for all the rookies that have come here during Carlisle's tenure -- they simply weren't as good as the guys playing ahead of them.

It's no wonder that Crowder's development spiked when he was able to get more minutes on a team that had no illusions about competing for a ring... Bad teams are the farm league of the NBA -- young players don't develop on good teams (with the Spurs being the ONLY exception).

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

But its not truth though.

if we're being honest the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

[Budapest Maverick]

Originally Posted by Underdog

He's healthy now... Which team is he playing for, again?

That doesn't mean he was not derailed by injuries.

[mavs777]

David Aldridge ‏@daldridgetnt · 45s45 seconds ago
The Nets and Deron Williams have reached a buyout agreement, per source.

[LonghornDub]

Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

Yeah, I'm just crossing my fingers to watch my team get ass-raped by the Clippers again. That sounds awesome...

Sounds better than tanking, probably not even keeping the draft pick, watching Dirk retire off a non-playoff season, and (quite possibly) losing the second or third best coach in the league.

[mavs777]

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine · 28s28 seconds ago
ESPN sources say Deron Williams is expected to sign a two-year deal with Dallas in the $10 million range once he hits the open market

5 million a year deron? very fair

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Sounds better than tanking, probably not even keeping the draft pick,

If we're actually tanking and not rolling out a 35 win team in a desperate, pathetic attempt to compete, then we keep the pick. For now at least.

watching Dirk retire off a non-playoff season,

That's going to happen anyway. If they were in the East, they could make the playoffs. In the West, no way.

and (quite possibly) losing the second or third best coach in the league.

If Rick doesn't want to stick around for a rebuilding team, then he's gone anyway.

[Bryan_Wilson]

Originally Posted by mavs777

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine · 28s28 seconds ago
ESPN sources say Deron Williams is expected to sign a two-year deal with Dallas in the $10 million range once he hits the open market

5 million a year deron? very fair

So when he signs in Utah is it still a kick in the balls? At what point are fans eunuch's by definition?

[mavs777]

mavs can very well get the 8th seed with a competent backup center pick up

[howdoesmydirktaste]

We are paying him 25% of what the Nets paid him to be half as productive. That's already a fair market value. If he returns close to old form it's a steal. I like it.

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by mavs777

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine · 28s28 seconds ago
ESPN sources say Deron Williams is expected to sign a two-year deal with Dallas in the $10 million range once he hits the open market

5 million a year deron? very fair

I hope thats per year. Thats exactly the figure I had in my head. Get it done. And keep grinding.

[Dnowit41]

Very fair deal. Now we need to find our big for the future.

[LonghornDub]

Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

If we're actually tanking and not rolling out a 35 win team in a desperate, pathetic attempt to compete, then we keep the pick. For now at least.

You are kidding yourself if you think the Mavs are guaranteed to finish in the bottom 7 in the league. The players are going to play when healthy, and this roster when healthy is nothing close to a surefire bottom-7 team.

Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

That's going to happen anyway. If they were in the East, they could make the playoffs. In the West, no way.

Absurd. Nothing else to say.

Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

If Rick doesn't want to stick around for a rebuilding team, then he's gone anyway.

You're right, there's no difference at all between a total tank and trying to be competitive. Rick will put those in the same box because he's incapable of making very basic distinctions.

[Murphy3]

If the Mavs were stronger at the 5, I would be pretty happy with the team.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by mavs777

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine · 28s28 seconds ago
ESPN sources say Deron Williams is expected to sign a two-year deal with Dallas in the $10 million range once he hits the open market

5 million a year deron? very fair

Half of what Rondo is getting.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by Murphy3

If the Mavs were stronger at the 5, I would be pretty happy with the team.

Yeah, D-Will/Wes/Parsons/Dirk is a pretty solid starting four -- even in the West.

[conjurer]

Low risk, high potential if he finds his fire again.

I like it.

[Budapest Maverick]

Deron needs to lose at least 14 pounds fat, that's the only way to salvage his career. He played overweight for what seems like forever now, and no doubt it plays a huge part in him constantly being injured. He is also a terrible liability on the defensive end. It all starts with him losing the weight.

If he shows up at the camp out of shape and overweight, it will already be too late for him. He needs to find that inner desire and diet. He's one of those guys who would balloon up if not for basketball.

[howdoesmydirktaste]

Originally Posted by Budapest Maverick

Deron needs to lose at least 14 pounds fat, that's the only way to salvage his career. He played overweight for what seems like forever now, and no doubt it plays a huge part in him constantly being injured. He is also a terrible liability on the defensive end. It all starts with him losing the weight.

If he shows up at the camp out of shape and overweight, it will already be too late for him. He needs to find that inner desire and diet. He's one of those guys who would balloon up if not for basketball.

Carlisle isn't afraid to call people fat. Remember Parsons last year?

[Wang Zhi Zhi]

5 a year or 10 a year? any confirmation?

[Budapest Maverick]

Originally Posted by howdoesmydirktaste

Carlisle isn't afraid to call people fat. Remember Parsons last year?

Yeah. I stalked his wife Instagram account just now, and he is surprisingly lean! I was shocked, looks much leaner than during the season. Maybe there is hope.

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by LonghornDub

You are kidding yourself if you think the Mavs are guaranteed to finish in the bottom 7 in the league. The players are going to play when healthy, and this roster when healthy is nothing close to a surefire bottom-7 team.

No, we wouldn't be guarenteed to finish bottom 7. But this way, we're guaranteed NOT to. Seems counterproductive.

Absurd. Nothing else to say.

It's absurd to think the Mavs are going to miss the playoffs? Really? Nothing else to say? Whatever.

You're right, there's no difference at all between a total tank and trying to be competitive. Rick will put those in the same box because he's incapable of making very basic distinctions.

I love Rick. One the best coaches in the league, hands down. And he will always have a place in my heart for coaching the Mavs to a championship. But if we have keep ourselves OUT of the lottery for the foreseeable future for him to stay, then he can go fuck himself.

[conjurer]

Deron's wife is already fired-up it seems, she just posted this:

https://t.co/PDf3JXQz7k

[LonghornDub]

Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

No, we wouldn't be guarenteed to finish bottom 7. But this way, we're guaranteed NOT to. Seems counterproductive.

I know what you're getting at here, but there's nothing "counterproductive" about putting a competitive team together when the alternative is all the negative stuff I mentioned with no guaranteed benefit.

Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

It's absurd to think the Mavs are going to miss the playoffs? Really? Nothing else to say? Whatever.

Not at all. There's a decent chance they miss the playoffs. What's absurd is to guarantee that they'll miss the playoffs, which is what you did initially. "In the West, no way" is what you said. Pretty unequivocal.

Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

I love Rick. One the best coaches in the league, hands down. And he will always have a place in my heart for coaching the Mavs to a championship. But if we have keep ourselves OUT of the lottery for the foreseeable future for him to stay, then he can go fuck himself.

A bit harsh, but regardless, I don't think anybody said we have to keep ourselves out of the lottery for the foreseeable future. My point is that he is not an idiot and can make the basic distinction between intentionally tanking and competing. He may leave either way, but you can bet bottom dollar he's guaranteed to leave if the Mavs start intentionally tanking. Intentionally losing is a foreign language to hypercompetitive people. If they're at least trying to win, Rick will have a higher threshold for losing--not the other way around.

[Underdog]

Plan Powder FTW: Cuban Lands Deron Williams, Justifies Breaking Up Championship Squad

So what do you guys think about this whole 2012 Mayan prophecy thing? Do you think the world ends this year?

[tsar]

Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

I love Rick. One the best coaches in the league, hands down. And he will always have a place in my heart for coaching the Mavs to a championship. But if we have keep ourselves OUT of the lottery for the foreseeable future for him to stay, then he can go fuck himself.

They are doing this for Dirk. Should Dirk go fuck himself as well?

[howdoesmydirktaste]

Hey, we dodged a bullet a few years back. We didn't over pay him. Now we're getting him a market value.

[EastTxMFFL]

Personally I'm thrilled he's coming home. Something tells me he will play the best he's played in years.

[howdoesmydirktaste]

Originally Posted by Wang Zhi Zhi

5 a year or 10 a year? any confirmation?

5 per year. Steal if he stays healthy.