PGDT: Game 3 - Wolves (0-2) at Mavs (2-0) 7:30 FSSW

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by tap2390

We have to give the rookies, especially Terry, time. There's no point comparing them to a veteran (Christian Wood) going through their fifth training camp. In any year guys that young are going to be hard-pressed to crack the rotation of a playoff team, but especially this year with the shortened camp.

I'm not comparing them to C Wood. That was a separate post on purpose. We had a shot at him and apparently didnt take it.


The issue I had with not taking Bane is, he is a proven consistent shooter and is under control especially with his decisions. We are close to contending so its more imperative to get guys ready to go out of the box. I'm further from thinking we have done that than draft day. Bane has looked real sharp this preseason.

[EricaLubarsky]

I still don't get why we would have gone after Wood with KP starting.

Seems like having Doncic and going after Simmons

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

I still don't get why we would have gone after Wood with KP starting.

Seems like having Doncic and going after Simmons

Because he's a massive upgrade to DP and could play next to KP just fine. Replace DP with an actual offensive player, rebounder and decent rim protector.

[EricaLubarsky]

I'm not saying he's not a nice player-- I'm just saying it's silly to talk about him

1) We could not have gotten him. We had no cap space. We had a 9.3 million dollar MLE. Wood got 14 million. We literally couldn't have afforded him unless he took a discount to come here and there's zero evidence he would have, particularly with Houston making a bigger offer at the beginning of FA. You could say that we'd have done an SnT, but again, it's hard to match salaries, BAE is really hard to match, and it would probably take some positive assets like picks, which we just don't have. In the meantime, Wood got a fat offer sheet within an hour of free-agency being opened and he was a UFA, meaning he'd have probably just signed that offer sheet anyway. We could not have gotten him without moving heaven and earth and...

2) We had more pressing needs with four centers on the roster (KP, Boban, Powell, Kleber) one of whom was getting the max and a decent PF lineup (DFS, Johnson, Kleber)

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

I'm not saying he's not a nice player-- I'm just saying it's silly to talk about him

1) We could not have gotten him. We had no cap space. We had a 9.3 million dollar MLE. Wood got 14 million. We literally couldn't have afforded him unless he took a discount to come here and there's zero evidence he would have, particularly with Houston making a bigger offer at the beginning of FA. You could say that we'd have done an SnT, but again, it's hard to match salaries, BAE is really hard to match, and it would probably take some positive assets like picks, which we just don't have. In the meantime, Wood got a fat offer sheet within an hour of free-agency being opened and he was a UFA, meaning he'd have probably just signed that offer sheet anyway. We could not have gotten him without moving heaven and earth and...

2) We had more pressing needs with four centers on the roster (KP, Boban, Powell, Kleber) one of whom was getting the max and a decent PF lineup (DFS, Johnson, Kleber)

Man you edited that a lot, lol. I don't think it was silly to talk about him. I AM going to say that a SNT was possible. We can wonder if salaries would be hard to match but if you are offering the same amount Hou offered I think it would at least make a little sense for him to consider us since we are closer to competing. I don't consider his 13mil a fat payday given what he can do. Who knows if they even reached out about him to anyone. Didn't Delon just go to Detroit and they start him in preseason games? There is a large chunk of the salary match to the team Wood left.

We do have 4 or 5 centers, and only 1 of which should be played as a starter. KP is a stud and behind him everyone drops off the face of the earth in comparison. Maxi is solid but I like him at the 4 more often because he can defend well away from the paint. I would have happily moved any of them and only been slightly upset about Maxi.


I mean, I all but guaranteed Wood was going to be a stud many months ago, and after 1 preseason showing I think it's a lock . MBT didn't listen and I have no idea why they aren't scouring this site for hot takes. That's on them.

I'd like to close this with they missed 2 guys I wanted and half the damn city can't watch the games legally. weak rant end/

[EricaLubarsky]

I mean in theory we could have done a SNT, but

1) You'd have to give Detroit something they'd want (young talent, picks, etc. and can't just give them Powell's albatross)
2) You'd have to find a third team that also gets something they want to facilitate (BYC)
3) In the meantime Wood just takes 14 million from Houston unless
4) You offer him way more than 14million
5) which means he's taking up a huge chunk of the cap and
6) the trade is less likely to happen because then Detroit has to take more salary and the third team as well. Costs rise and we don't have the contracts to make that work.
7) We don't have a lot to offer in terms of picks, cash, talent in the first place.
8) Even if 1-7 are possible, then we end up with less talent and fewer trade assets, which I'm not sure is worth it.

Even an SnT for Wood is crazy.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

I mean in theory we could have done a SNT, but

1) You'd have to give Detroit something they'd want (young talent, picks, etc. and can't just give them Powell's albatross)
2) You'd have to find a third team that also gets something they want to facilitate (BYC)
3) In the meantime Wood just takes 14 million from Houston unless
4) You offer him way more than 14million
5) which means he's taking up a huge chunk of the cap and
6) the trade is less likely to happen because then Detroit has to take more salary and the third team as well. Costs rise and we don't have the contracts to make that work.
7) We don't have a lot to offer in terms of picks, cash, talent in the first place.
8) Even if 1-7 are possible, then we end up with less talent and fewer trade assets, which I'm not sure is worth it.

Even an SnT for Wood is crazy.

Fair enough. Ill leave it at in theory.

[Dallas41]

Anybody else think that this has gone on long enough with Luka and he needs to dial it back for once?

Luka Doncic had two technical fouls in three games
With all due respect to the leading man in Dallas, but Luka needs to get it together. His constant chatter and whining ro referees bled over into what they deemed disrespect in the final preseason game where he picked up his second technical foul.

That’s just not needed. He should tighten the emotion up, leave the complaining to coach Rick Carlisle and the front office, and try getting back on defense once in a while.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

Anybody else think that this has gone on long enough with Luka and he needs to dial it back for once?

Luka Doncic had two technical fouls in three games
With all due respect to the leading man in Dallas, but Luka needs to get it together. His constant chatter and whining ro referees bled over into what they deemed disrespect in the final preseason game where he picked up his second technical foul.

That’s just not needed. He should tighten the emotion up, leave the complaining to coach Rick Carlisle and the front office, and try getting back on defense once in a while.

I think its a problem and hopefully he finds a balance where he doesn't have to shit it down completely and doesn't flip out every no call.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

I think its a problem and hopefully he finds a balance where he doesn't have to shit it down completely and doesn't flip out every no call.

I think he's gotten lucky as the wonderboy and he has such a fun and dynamic game, but even if he doesn't get techs, the fans of other teams are going to lose their patience with him.

If he can settle in, he can honestly be the face of the NBA, but not if he complains at every single call.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

I think he's gotten lucky as the wonderboy and he has such a fun and dynamic game, but even if he doesn't get techs, the fans of other teams are going to lose their patience with him.

If he can settle in, he can honestly be the face of the NBA, but not if he complains at every single call.

Nobody likes a complainer. Well an over complainer at least. When he misses defensive assignments because he's back bitching about a call is what really annoys me.

I think he will settle in at some point.

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

I think he's gotten lucky as the wonderboy and he has such a fun and dynamic game, but even if he doesn't get techs, the fans of other teams are going to lose their patience with him.

If he can settle in, he can honestly be the face of the NBA, but not if he complains at every single call.

Lebron complains on every single call, and he's been the face of the NBA for well over decade.

I don't like the complaining either, but I think we're overblowing the effect that it will have on his perception or his career. I mean, every single player does it. Nobody complained more than Duncan, and I've never once heard anyone call him out on it.

[Scoobay]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

When he misses defensive assignments because he's back bitching about a call is what really annoys me.

Yeah this - it's one thing to complain, it's another to let that distract you from getting the job done. Play on and complain later if you want. I think the best thing for him would be to get mandated by Rick to not complain at all for the first half of the year. I don't think anything short of Rick telling him to can it will do this.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

Lebron complains on every single call, and he's been the face of the NBA for well over decade.

I don't like the complaining either, but I think we're overblowing the effect that it will have on his perception or his career. I mean, every single player does it. Nobody complained more than Duncan, and I've never once heard anyone call him out on it.

I was going to mention Duncan....but going the other way. I don't know anyone outside of San Antonio who didnt see his incessant whining as extreme.ely annoying. A great PF is first thing you think of but a terrible whiner is the second.

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by tap2390

We have to give the rookies, especially Terry, time. There's no point comparing them to a veteran (Christian Wood) going through their fifth training camp. In any year guys that young are going to be hard-pressed to crack the rotation of a playoff team, but especially this year with the shortened camp.

Exactly. How would Bane have looked right now with no training camp as a 19 year old? Bane only started 14 games for TCU as a freshman averaging 7pts per game. I think Green double that and started every game against tougher competition at Arizona. Green just turned 20 in November. Imagine how much more polished he would look if he was here as a four year college player who benefited from being his team’s best player his Senior year. Just the fact that he already looks like an NBA level defender with strength and athleticism to match at his age is a huge win. He’s been active off the ball and even made some nice passes; ball doesn’t stop with him. He just needs to learn the pro-game and continue to knock down 3s. He’s by all accounts grounded and a hard worker. I think he’s a future starter here unless a trade for a pseudo-star come along.

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by tap2390

We have to give the rookies, especially Terry, time. There's no point comparing them to a veteran (Christian Wood) going through their fifth training camp. In any year guys that young are going to be hard-pressed to crack the rotation of a playoff team, but especially this year with the shortened camp.

I don’t think the comparison was between the rookies and Wood, just that it’s feasible we could’ve worked a SnT deal with Detroit for him using said picks, seeing as we dealt Delon to them anyhow. Wood was UFA and had some leverage. Detroit may have accepted pick 18 plus a future second or something over 16 from Houston if Wood preferred Dallas.

[rimrocker]

Originally Posted by mac222b

Exactly. How would Bane have looked right now with no training camp as a 19 year old? Bane only started 14 games for TCU as a freshman averaging 7pts per game. I think Green double that and started every game against tougher competition at Arizona. Green just turned 20 in November. Imagine how much more polished he would look if he was here as a four year college player who benefited from being his team’s best player his Senior year. Just the fact that he already looks like an NBA level defender with strength and athleticism to match at his age is a huge win. He’s been active off the ball and even made some nice passes; ball doesn’t stop with him. He just needs to learn the pro-game and continue to knock down 3s. He’s by all accounts grounded and a hard worker. I think he’s a future starter here unless a trade for a pseudo-star come along.

Yeah, I think Green will get a great opportunity the first part of the season but could easily fall out of the rotation when KP returns if his development is slow. The scouting on him indicated that he would need time to develop and I hope the Mavs give him a fair chance.
It is evident that Carlisle has very little tolerance for players who don't, or refuse to fit or buy into the system so that will be the key factor for Green. He certainly has the tools to become a regular rotation player but then so did Anderson.