Another QB option

[dalmations202]

Is this the option that the Cowboys should be looking at?

News
Quarterback Kerry Collins and general manager Ernie Accorsi met on Monday to discuss Collins' future with the club. Collins told Newsday that Accorsi gave the quarterback options for reworking his contract. When Collins refused to restructure his deal, the quarterback received the impression that he would be released within the next couple days. "Obviously, I'm reflective about the past five years," Collins said. "It's been a great five years. At the same time, I'm looking forward to moving on." ESPN's Chris Mortensen contacted Accorsi about the report, and the general manager denied that he told Collins that he would be released this week. Accorsi plans to meet with the Giants coaching staff and organization and make a decision on his future within the next few days.

[madape]

Kerry Collins is my personal hero. I would love it if the Cowboys were able to pick him up. He is a proven winner and consistent playoff performer. He's in the prime of his career. There would be nothing more satisfying than watching the Cowboys with Collins at the helm grind defenses into dust. The idea that the destruction would come from a NY Giant cast-off would be humiliating for a franchise obsessed with beating the Cowboys. What a glorius day it will be when Kerry Collins ascends to his rightful throne in Dallas.

[Dooby]

Originally posted by: madape
Kerry Collins is my personal hero.

Eeeeeeee.

[madape]

"Kerry Collins thrust the NFC Championship trophy into the air on his victory lap, a long, slow, sure run of redemption along the big blue wall. Here, Collins remembered the taunts he absorbed as a recovering alcoholic when he was called a drunk, a loser, and a quitter. Now, he had an amazing perspective on Giants Stadium, seeing the rows upon rows of Giant blue rising to the top of the stadium, to the sky."

-- Adrian Wojnarowski, The Bergen Record

[jayC]

I'd love to see him start here.

[NYCdog]

He would be a perfect fit but..........

Would he want to come here?

Think about it. He's escaping the Giants because he knew there was someone lying in the weeds and being groomed to take his starting position that he had earned. Kerry wants a long term starting position.

In Dallas, you have the same situation. He would be the starter, but for how long? Drew Henson is the Cowboys Eli Manning in this situation, being groomed to eventually take over the starting spot.

So would Kerry want to be here? I think not.

With the struggles Aaron Brooks has had in NO, he could end up there to try and keep the Saints close in competition with their division rivals. Miami, Oakland, San Fran could all be other options.

[mavsfanforever]

He is Sean Payton's friend. Wouldn't be surprised to see him here but that would make 4qbs in one team.

[dalmations202]

Originally posted by: mavsfanforever
He is Sean Payton's friend. Wouldn't be surprised to see him here but that would make 4qbs in one team.

Really would be 5. Quincy, Henson, Hutchinson, Romo, and Collins.............a couple would have to go.....

[Dirkenstien]

Think about it. He's escaping the Giants because he knew there was someone lying in the weeds and being groomed to take his starting position that he had earned. Kerry wants a long term starting position.

Kerry Collins is not escaping the Giants, rather the Giant's organization is pushing for him to take a pay cut. I dont believe he minds competing for a starting position. It'll be interesting to see if we attempt to bring him here

[FilthyFinMavs]

Another QB option that is not only overpaid but on the decline that everyone wants here. When will this stop.

[dirno2000]

It is funny...his #'s were worse than Quincy's last season. He's not a bad QB, but it would seem to me that a young QB who knows the system and has improved every year would be a better choice to run this offense than a QB who may be in decline.

[OutletPass]

Another QB option that is not only overpaid but on the decline that everyone wants here. When will this stop.

No offense FFM but 3 or 4 people aren't "everyone"

I don't want him here.

[Dirkenstien]

I really dont want him here either and I dont think Parcells will express any interest.

[MavKikiNYC]

Uhm...wouldn't Kerry Collins be in Dallas roughly what Vinnie Testaverde was for Parcells with the Jets?

[jayC]

Why its just been three years since his super bowl appearence. Its not like eli manning either. Henson hasn't played real football in three years.

[madape]

There seem to be some people here who think that the Cowboys simply can't find any interim QB better more suited to take the reigns of the team until Drew Hensen is ready than QUINCY FREAKING CARTER. Collins would give us something we haven't had in Dallas in over three years - a legitimate NFL quarterback. He's not the long term solution, but he is a solid pro-bowl caliber QB in the prime of his career who would undoubtedly fit better into the Parcell's style of play than the limp-wristed scrub who has been sparing us to death here for years on end. Unless we want to write-off next season as another rebuilding year, we need to improve at the QB spot NOW. Hensen is not ready. In fact, we don't know if he'll ever be ready. Collins is capable of leading this team to five straight playoff berths starting next year. He would be without question the best QB in camp, by a MILE. Give me ONE good reason why you wouldn't consider giving this guy the job next year.

[aexchange]

Originally posted by: madape
Give me ONE good reason why you wouldn't consider giving this guy the job next year.

I'll give you two.

He's a drunk.

He's also a borderline racist.

Just say no to Adolf Tarpley Hitler.

[madape]

Originally posted by: aexchange

I'll give you two.

He's a drunk.

He's also a borderline racist.

Just say no to Adolf Tarpley Hitler.

Sorry dude. This isn't 1996 ( the year Kerry drunkenly made the racial epithet). Your comments seem a little out of place. Kerry has already proven critics like you wrong. He has battled and won his fight against alchoholism. He has overcome the consistent hatred, vitriol, and baseless accusations fans seem intent on spitting at him. Collins took the vile personal attacks such as the one's you've just carelessly thrown out and used them as motivation for one of the most inspriational comeback stories in sports. He's a fighter. A winner. He's been through the tough times when no one in the world beleived in him. He's conquered his demons. And unlike you, he has a little class.

[dalmations202]

From Newsday

Several teams are expected to have interest in Collins, perhaps including the Ravens, 49ers, Cowboys and Cardinals, and the Giants eventually will replace him with a veteran to back up Manning or to start if he is not ready. Damon Huard worked out for team officials yesterday.

[madape]

From the Miami Herald:

Although there has been no formal announcement from the Giants, at least two teams are already in line to acquire Collins, a source close to Collins said. Dallas and San Francisco had already inquired about Collins by mid-day after Newsday quoted Collins saying he refused to restructure his contract.

[Big Boy Laroux]

man, go the cardinals, kerry! throw to boldin and fitzgerald...

[aexchange]

Originally posted by: madape

Sorry dude. This isn't 1996 ( the year Kerry drunkenly made the racial epithet). Your comments seem a little out of place. Kerry has already proven critics like you wrong. He has battled and won his fight against alchoholism. He has overcome the consistent hatred, vitriol, and baseless accusations fans seem intent on spitting at him. Collins took the vile personal attacks such as the one's you've just carelessly thrown out and used them as motivation for one of the most inspriational comeback stories in sports. He's a fighter. A winner. He's been through the tough times when no one in the world beleived in him. He's conquered his demons. And unlike you, he has a little class.

funny stuff ape, but lets get real. we're looking at qb who has made a career out of being an above average spare. he's not mobile, he's prone to making stupid decisions just as bad as qcar, and he has the stigma of being a guy who has yelled racial slurs against teammates.

what a real leader from the QB spot.

i'll be the first to say that carter isnt the long term answer, but to say that collins is a much better answer than carter is really laughable. while calling me out on my lack of "class" may be amusing to you, i think the real lack of class is reflected in your complete blind hatred toward carter. you're nothing more than a silly bradley critic when you talk about carter. full of fury, signifying nothing.

[dalmations202]

Originally posted by: madape
There seem to be some people here who think that the Cowboys simply can't find any interim QB better more suited to take the reigns of the team until Drew Hensen is ready than QUINCY FREAKING CARTER. Collins would give us something we haven't had in Dallas in over three years - a legitimate NFL quarterback. He's not the long term solution, but he is a solid pro-bowl caliber QB in the prime of his career who would undoubtedly fit better into the Parcell's style of play than the limp-wristed scrub who has been sparing us to death here for years on end. Unless we want to write-off next season as another rebuilding year, we need to improve at the QB spot NOW. Hensen is not ready. In fact, we don't know if he'll ever be ready. Collins is capable of leading this team to five straight playoff berths starting next year. He would be without question the best QB in camp, by a MILE. Give me ONE good reason why you wouldn't consider giving this guy the job next year.

Above in BOLD is the reason that I start threads asking for the opinions of others here. QC is sparing me to death. This team is better. The QB position needs to be upgraded. I do not know who will do it, but someone needs to until a "franchise" QB is discovered. Collins is not a GREAT QB, but he did QB a team to the Superbowl, and he did QB a startup team to the championship game. Warner may be done, but at least he has 2 MVP years, and a Superbowl win. QC has none of that, as a QB he is like 7up. If a 40 year old Vinny is the best we can do, then the Cowboys have already written off 2004 as another rebuilding year.

People say "give him time", and he is going into his second year for the first time with this system, etc. No matter what system, no matter what plays, no matter what O line, QC is not an efficient/high percentage passer. He is not that accurate.
I think that he will make a great backup QB, who can come in and improvise with his arm, and legs. He is not a starting caliber QB though. I hope that because he works so hard, he can prove me wrong; but so far, all the scounting done on him, that I have read, is correct.

[dirno2000]

There are QB's out there that would give our team a better chance to win than Quincy...the problem is that their teams want to keep them. It just seems that every spare QB that's cut is better then Quincy when the numbers just don't support it. Madape claimed that Kerry Collins in in the prime of his career despite the fact that he was behind Quincy in virtually every meaningful stat last season (go look at the #'s). Do I want to get better at that position...yes. I just haven't seen the guy out there.

[dalmations202]

Originally posted by: dirno2000
There are QB's out there that would give our team a better chance to win than Quincy...the problem is that their teams want to keep them. It just seems that every spare QB that's cut is better then Quincy when the numbers just don't support it. Madape claimed that Kerry Collins in in the prime of his career despite the fact that he was behind Quincy in virtually every meaningful stat last season (go look at the #'s). Do I want to get better at that position...yes. I just haven't seen the guy out there.

I can accept that.

Who would you rather have has last year: Dallas's offensive line or the Giants offensive line ? ?

[dalmations202]

From Yahoo Sports

News
The Giants reportedly plan to released quarterback Kerry Collins within the next few days, and the team has already given him permission to talk to other teams. Agent David Dunn told the New York Daily News that the Ravens, Cowboys, Cardinals, and Raiders have already called him. "It may be hard for me to find a job as a starter now, but I believe I'm a starter," Collins said. "I believe I've got a lot of good years left. Hopefully there'll be some options and I'll try to pick the one that's best for me."

[dirno2000]

Probably our line, but not by much. the right side of our line was garbage and we never knew what we would get out of LA. NY's line was young, but Collins was sacked fewer times per game than Quincy and they line allowed Tiki Barber to run for over 1200 yards. Now, he may have run for that same 1200 behind our line, but no more.

[madape]

The comparison between Collins and Carter is a joke. If you polled 31 NFL GMs, you would get 31 votes for Collins. He is a smarter, more skilled, more experienced QB. He's been in two NFC championships, a super-bowl, a pro-bowl.

If you want to compare his stats to Quincy's compare the stats from years in which they both played in the Sean Payton offense. Collins ripped up the league that year, passing for over 4000 yards and securing an 85.5 QB rating. Collins has proven he can play in this system.

Carter had a career year last year passing for 3300 yards, but tarnishing his record is his 22 interceptions and 70.7 QB rating. Ofter three years, the jury is still out on whether the impulsive, undiciplined Carter can play in the NFL period, much less in Payton's highly structured offense.

The Cowboys decided two years ago that Quincy wasn't the QB of the future here. He has done nothing to prove otherwise, despite his highly lauded joke of a 2003 season. So Jerry went out and got himself a REAL future cornerstone in Hensen. My problem with Quincy at starter in 2004 is this: It doesn't really make sense to sit through a fourth year waiting for Quincy to develop, when we know he's not our future QB. On the other hand, starting Collins gives us a much better chance to be successful in the playoffs next year while allowing us to spend our development time on a guy who we think can really be something in Hensen. I just don't see the point in wasting another year on a bad draft day mistake in Quincy Carter. It's beyond time to move on.

[jayC]

I agree with you and didn't he lead the league in passing yards two years ago. It's not get carter, its get kerry.

[Drbio]

I would never vote for Kerry.....oh wait....wrong thread.


I prefer Kerry over Carter easy.

[FilthyFinMavs]

I don't know why you would want Kerry or Warner. If those are our only options for a quarterback then i'd rather just let Carter have the season. Warner's feet are stuck in cement. Kerry like stated above is barely an above average qb. The reason he is leaving is not because of Eli Manning. It's because he wants to continue to be paid the same amount of money he is being paid and the Cowboys aren't going to do that. This offensive line is going to be worse then it was last year if we are going to start 1-2 rookies. Carter is th eteams best bet unless you can find a qb that can run from sacks and throw on the run. I know Carter can run from the sacks but not sure about throwing on the run but we'll see. This is Carter's first year running the same offense and playbook in consecutive years.

[Murphy3]

Kerry is obviously a better QB than Carter. Surely no one would argue with that. It's all about the money. How cheaply can you get him in here?

[FilthyFinMavs]

Originally posted by: Murphy3
Kerry is obviously a better QB than Carter. Surely no one would argue with that. It's all about the money. How cheaply can you get him in here?

He's not much better. I think in this case you are looking for a qb who is head and shoulders above Quincy.

[NBAFan7]

Kerry Collins sucks

[Murphy3]

Originally posted by: FilthyFinMavs

He's not much better. I think in this case you are looking for a qb who is head and shoulders above Quincy.

He's significantly better.

[Drbio]

Kerry Collins and Warner are both significantly better than Qspare and anyone who says otherwise is ignoring the facts.

[dirno2000]

^^^You're assuming that both will play at the level that they played at in their best seasons, while assuming Quincy will stop improving. Those are shaky assumptions. Collins and especially Warner have regressed the past two seasons while Carter has improved.

[madape]

Has Carter ever had a good season? Don't you think it's a little bit optimistic to think that he'll all of a sudden develop into an average NFL QB? The Cowboys certainly don't think so, which is why they keep signing their next "franchise QB" every year. They don't beleive in Quincy, why do you?

It isn't presumptuous to conclude that Collins can succeed under the right leadership because he's done it before. He was considered to be one of the best QBs in the NFL when he played under Payton. Carter is considered to be one of the worst starters in the league while playing under Payton. I don't think it's a stretch at all to think that Collins would be significantly better than any QB we've seen here since before Aikman's concussions rendered him a dazed and confused shell of his former self. Collins has lead less talented teams than this to playoff glory. If given a chance, we can share in his legacy.

Collins regression last year isn't due to injury. He was as healthy as they come. It wasn't due to age. He was barely 30. Most likely, it was due to being on a bad offense, organized by bad coaches. Those problems would disappear if he were to become a Cowboy. It's much more likely that Collins will revert to being the elite franchise QB that he's known to be, than it is that he'd do a repeat performance of his Quincy-esque 2004 season.

Unfortunately Quincy's upside IS his Quincy-esque 2004 season... which is why the Cowboys have been frantically looking for his replacement since the day he arrived in Dallas.

[dirno2000]

Has Carter ever had a good season? Don't you think it's a little bit optimistic to think that he'll all of a sudden develop into an average NFL QB? The Cowboys certainly don't think so, which is why they keep signing their next "franchise QB" every year. They don't beleive in Quincy, why do you?

He's improved every season, why would he suddenly stop now? And for the record I'm a Cowboy fan, not a Quincy fan so it's not a matter of me believing in Quincy. I want the quarterback that gives us the best chance to win this season and football is a game of continuity. If the upgrade isn’t huge then continuity wins out with me. IMO Quincy is not the QB of the future, but he's a quarterback you can win with if he continues to improve.

It isn't presumptuous to conclude that Collins can succeed under the right leadership because he's done it before. He was considered to be one of the best QBs in the NFL when he played under Payton. Carter is considered to be one of the worst starters in the league while playing under Payton. I don't think it's a stretch at all to think that Collins would be significantly better than any QB we've seen here since before Aikman's concussions rendered him a dazed and confused shell of his former self. .

Kerry Collins was never considered one of the best quarterbacks kin the NFL. If anything he and Trent Dilfer are held up as proof that you can go to the Super Bowl with average quarterback play. The season the Giants went to the bowl, his playoff qb rating was 67.3...not exactly Aikman like.

Also remember that his best year was the season that Jim Fassell took over the play calling duties, and essentially the offense, from Payton. You can't just plug him into the Sean Payton system and watch him go. Do you think 2002 had anything to do with Ike Hilliard, Amani Toomer, Tiki Barber and Jeremy Shockey? Hell, look at how he tanked when Shockey went down this year.

Collins has lead less talented teams than this to playoff glory.

No he hasn't

Collins regression last year isn't due to injury. He was as healthy as they come. It wasn't due to age. He was barely 30. Most likely, it was due to being on a bad offense, organized by bad coaches. Those problems would disappear if he were to become a Cowboy. It's much more likely that Collins will revert to being the elite franchise QB that he's known to be, than it is that he'd do a repeat performance of his Quincy-esque 2004 season.

Unfortunately Quincy's upside IS his Quincy-esque 2004 season... which is why the Cowboys have been frantically looking for his replacement since the day he arrived in Dallas.

He had his best season under those bad coaches in that bad offense.

Bottom line: Collins is not a bad quarterback but the gap between he is Quincy is smaller than you care to admit. He’s done an admirable job of getting his life and career back together. That being said, he’s far from an elite quarterback. He’s a guy.

[madape]

Cowboys may look at ex-Giants QB Collins

12:20 AM CDT on Thursday, April 29, 2004

By JEAN-JACQUES TAYLORStaff Writer / The Dallas Morning News

IRVING – The New York Giants released quarterback Kerry Collins on Wednesday. Cowboys owner Jerry Jones said he would be interested in talking to him.

"I think, for sure, you have to give that a look because we have a lot of respect for him," Jones told the New York Times. "He's beaten us more than we've beaten him. ... No organization would have more respect for him than us.

"We will keep all of our options open as all of the veteran quarterbacks become available with the idea that Quincy Carter is our starter, that Drew Henson needs time to adjust and we need a veteran mix there. That's not to say Chad Hutchinson won't get his shot."

Collins had the most successful year of his career in 2000 under Sean Payton, the Cowboys' current offensive coordinator. Collins passed for 3,610 yards with 22 touchdowns and 13 interceptions that year as he led the Giants to the Super Bowl.

The Giants deemed Collins expendable after they traded for Eli Manning, the first player selected in last weekend's NFL draft.

New York asked Collins, who passed for 3,110 yards with 13 touchdowns and 16 interceptions last season, to reduce his $7 million salary. When Collins declined, general manager Ernie Accorsi told the 31-year-old veteran that he probably would be cut.

Since the season ended, Jones has maintained that Carter is the Cowboys' starting quarterback.

Carter passed for 3,302 yards with 17 touchdowns and 21 interceptions last season as the Cowboys went 10-6 and advanced to the playoffs for the first time since 1999.

But the Cowboys traded a 2005 third-round draft pick for Drew Henson, who spent the last three seasons in the New York Yankees' minor league system after a stellar career at Michigan.

Hutchinson, last season's backup, is spending the spring in NFL Europe. Third-string quarterback Tony Romo did not appear in a game last season.

One of the reasons the Cowboys have discussed adding a veteran backup is to ensure they give Henson time to develop and to give coach Bill Parcells options if Carter falters or is injured.