The coming Barack Hussein Obama thugocracy

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by Mavdog

could you try to make sense of this rambling?

second, are these two wrong that the average plumber, or most tradesmen for that matter, are earning over $250,000 a year?

see, that is their point, and unlike your post, they are making sense.

No that is not their point, their point is to deride this guy and his question as irrelevant and to do a job on his character. That's why they pick at this point instead of addressing his question.

That's why it goes in the thugocracy thread. I'm not sure I've ever seen a presidential candidate attack a voter like this for asking a legitimate question. Probably because he really wants the question to go away.

[12 Tone Melodies]

Originally Posted by Mavdog

it's damn insulting to compare the american electorate to the nazis.

it minimizes the horrors of what the nazis did as well.

no one should trivialize the masssacre of a people.

The left has none nothing but trivialize the horrors of the Holocaust when they:

• spent 13 + years calling LBJ/Nixon/Kissinger/Ford Nazis
• spent 12 years calling Reagan/Bush 41/their cabinets Nazis
• spent 8 years calling Bush/Cheney/the US Army Nazis
• comparing Abu Grahib/Guantanamo Nazi concentration camps?

And why does the left always make references to their enemies as Hitler or Nazis but never to Stalin and any of his "purges"?
Kristallnacht wasn't a massacre, per se, but mass destruction of property by thugs

[Mavdog]

Originally Posted by 12 Tone Melodies

The left has none nothing but trivialize the horrors of the Holocaust when they:

• spent 13 + years calling LBJ/Nixon/Kissinger/Ford Nazis
• spent 12 years calling Reagan/Bush 41/their cabinets Nazis
• spent 8 years calling Bush/Cheney/the US Army Nazis
• comparing Abu Grahib/Guantanamo Nazi concentration camps?

And why does the left always make references to their enemies as Hitler or Nazis but never to Stalin and any of his "purges"?
Kristallnacht wasn't a massacre, per se, but mass destruction of property by thugs

gee, you have such a big net you want to put "the left" into. do you do the same to the right for calling everyone "communists"?

not sure who called lbj a "nazi".

calling kissinger a "nazi" has so much irony to it, and again who called him that?

fyi I said the very same thing to the fringe leftists who called bush "hitler".

I sure don't need you attempting to lecture me on kristallnacht. there were murders on that night, and there were thousands of synagogues and businesses burnt to the ground. it was the beginning of the german pogrom. the germans and the russians had a lot in common in their murderous ways.

the point (ahem) is the american public does not engage in pogroms, and the american election isn't being undermined by either party, and there is no chance of an enabling act being passed in the usa that would allow for power to be concentrated in one individual. there is no possibility of the genocide occuring in america such as was presaged by kristallnacht.

using such an analogy only minimizes the death and horror that the nazis afflicted on europe by comparing our tolerant and stable political environment to such an horrific act.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by Mavdog

the point (ahem) is the american public does not engage in progroms

Not yet...take a look at what has been going on with Marc Stein up in canada.

[chumdawg]

Come the revolution you will understand. LOL.

You can't make this stuff up. You really can't. Come the revolution. LOL. You guys are LOONBATS!!!!!

[Murphy3]

It's obvious that Obama has never had an association with the working class. He'll have no use for the common man if he is to win the election.. he's just using them to get what he needs. Obama's the type of politician that you have to worry about..the kind that will say anything at any time just to better his position. He has no inherent sense of right and wrong. He is one of the slimiest of all politicians...

[mcsluggo]

Originally Posted by Murphy3

It's obvious that Obama has never had an association with the working class. He'll have no use for the common man if he is to win the election.. he's just using them to get what he needs. Obama's the type of politician that you have to worry about..the kind that will say anything at any time just to better his position. He has no inherent sense of right and wrong. He is one of the slimiest of all politicians...

damn dude... you are falling off the deep end!


(and as an aside.. the community organizer, that got so derided for his low level grass roots experience has no experience with the working class? as opposed to the man who was either military attache to congres or IN congress/senate for the last 30 years? or perhaps as opposed to the playboy son of a president grandson of a senator? I suppose his association with A-rod gave HIM his "working man" cred ! )

[dude1394]

Yup....I'll let ya' know if my car gets keyed...just got some stickers.

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2008/oct...ccain-sticker/

Clearwater - CLEARWATER Frank Armstrong was preparing to go for a jog this morning when he noticed his Lexus – adorned with a McCain-Palin sticker - had been vandalized with obscenities and a burned American flag.

Armstrong discovered the damage to his 2006 Lexus about 8:30 a.m. at his Sand Key condominium at 1400 Gulf Blvd. Clearwater police and Armstrong said someone etched obscenities and "KKK" into the paint, burned several areas of the car with cigarettes, set the flag on fire on his hood and may have urinated on the vehicle. Officers and Armstrong think the car was singled out because of its political stickers, including one reading "Nobama."

"This is definitely a hate crime," said Armstrong, a 41-year-old physician.

Police estimated damage at $4,500. Police classified the incident as "criminal mischief/hate crime" and said it appeared "to be politically/racially motivated because the victim affixed a bumper sticker supporting the McCain campaign as well as an anti-Obama bumper sticker."

[Murphy3]

I seriously doubt Obama came within a 100 feet of a working class person when he didn't have to back when he was a "community organizer".

[kappasigma]

only difference is back then the nazi's were killing jews, now we kill arabs on behalf of the jews. makes sense to me.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by kappasigma

only difference is back then the nazi's were killing jews, now we kill arabs on behalf of the jews. makes sense to me.

yea...poor things.

http://www.foxnews.com/images/200456...705_israel.jpg

[kappasigma]

ya, poor things....jews have a history of being persecuted by muslims......like when the, oh wait, that was the christians, and then again in .... wait that was the christians again too...... oh ya, when they unlawfully took over settlements in a country called palistine then spread beyond the borders agreed upon by US and Britan. ya, some muslims did attack them then. ok , ur right, lets just keep on killing 25,000 civilian iraqi's a year....that will teach those palistinians to stay away from their old land.


of course it makes sense, we did it to the native indians, why not the palistinians and the iraqi's and afghans too since they are muslim and look the same, sorta.

thats the spirit, and we wonder why they hate us?

[Epitome22]

Originally Posted by kappasigma

ya, poor things....jews have a history of being persecuted by muslims......like when the, oh wait, that was the christians, and then again in .... wait that was the christians again too...... oh ya, when they unlawfully took over settlements in a country called palistine then spread beyond the borders agreed upon by US and Britan. ya, some muslims did attack them then. ok , ur right, lets just keep on killing 25,000 civilian iraqi's a year....that will teach those palistinians to stay away from their old land.


of course it makes sense, we did it to the native indians, why not the palistinians and the iraqi's and afghans too since they are muslim and look the same, sorta.

thats the spirit, and we wonder why they hate us?

You're being intentionally obtuse. I don't support Israeli terror either but the history of the Jewish people is filled with dealing with Barbarities by Muslims as well as Christians.

[kappasigma]

my only question is since we defend Isreal till we die, with money, loyality, support, etc. .....

what have they done for us? We wouldn't support them if we don't benefit right? I mean, we have to keep iraq, iran down cause they are threats to us, right? like 9/11 .... when afghans.....errrrr....saudi's living in afghanistan attacked us?

oh, now i remember why we defend Isreal so much........ our televagalists tell us to .... cause christians have a long history of support for the jews, right? well, no, not really, actually, christians have persecuted more jews than any other religion.....


there's got to be a reason......

immigrants come to america and become american, so jews immigrate here and become american too, right?

ya, they do become american, but they don't call america they land, they still refer to israel as their land..... hmmmmm...... so they come here, use us and our resources, act and look american, but they don't believe this is their land..... they have a message from God, they believe they must all return to the the land, so it must be protected.


so wait a minute, does that mean that the Jews who come to america will use america to protect the land they will go back to????

then what happens to america after they leave .... .nothing, its keeps on going the same cause new jews are born who will use america..... what does that mean for america???


wake up people, it means 1/3 of ALL OF OUR FORIEGN AID dollars, 5.2 billion dollars last year went to a country who's population is 0.093% of the world population. what about the other 2/3 of the foriegn aid..... oh that, well another 1/3 went to countries like Eygpt who agree to sign treaties with Israel. we give them money for that too. oh ya, and we just spent 23 million and sent the corp of engineers to build a fence between israel and eygpt. WTF????

"In addition, there is the more than $1.5 billion in private U.S. funds that go to Israel annually in the form of $1 billion in private tax-deductible donations and $500 million in Israeli bonds. The ability of Americans to make what amounts to tax-deductible contributions to a foreign government, made possible through a number of Jewish charities, does not exist with any other country. Nor do these figures include short- and long-term commercial loans from U.S. banks, which have been as high as $1 billion annually in recent years."


what does all this mean to you? about $23,200 tax payer money per ISRAELI CITIZEN.

dude, no offense, but were bitchin about $4 gas and my friends wear second hand jeans.....


but that money is in a form of a loan, like all of the other countries who recieve aid, right? WRONG.
its all GRANTS.



what about private money? ha, plenty more billions since 1949 (Israel's founding) .....in 1957, private funding was 700 million a year. its double that now....

but, why do we do it?? CAUSE WE CAN'T STOP THEM. But our government controls the FEDERAL RESERVE, just tell them to stop......oh wait, no, the jewish coucil OWNS THE FEDERAL RESERVE.
what about politicians, why do they do it if they are not jewish.....cause THEY HAVE NO CHOICE. The LARGEST LOBBY groups are pro-israel. You don't have to support them, but then you won't get their money and guess who will..... who ever is running against you. This is our political culture. thats why every politian, including palin, mccain, obama & joe have stated they "LOVE ISRAEL" ..... you know what, i've traveled around the world, even been to israel, its not that nice. why don't the politians say "I love England" or Acapuco or bahamas or any other freakin' place??? Cause, they must make it known that they won't resist, even though they all admit they wish they didn't have to.



like i said before, i'm not anti-jew.........i'm pro-american.

lets the israeli's deal with their own problems. maybe we can do the same too.



http://www.washington-report.org/htm..._to_israel.htm
http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/1209/p16s01-wmgn.html
http://www.lovearth.net/therealcosto...tforisrael.htm
http://civillibertarian.blogspot.com...l-cost-us.html
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...o_Israel1.html
http://www.davidduke.com/writings/09-17-01.shtml
http://www.miftah.org/Display.cfm?Do...3&CategoryId=4

[Epitome22]

Originally Posted by kappasigma

my only question is since we defend Isreal till we die, with money, loyality, support, etc. .....

what have they done for us? We wouldn't support them if we don't benefit right? I mean, we have to keep iraq, iran down cause they are threats to us, right? like 9/11 .... when afghans.....errrrr....saudi's living in afghanistan attacked us?

oh, now i remember why we defend Isreal so much........ our televagalists tell us to .... cause christians have a long history of support for the jews, right? well, no, not really, actually, christians have persecuted more jews than any other religion.....


there's got to be a reason......

immigrants come to america and become american, so jews immigrate here and become american too, right?

ya, they do become american, but they don't call america they land, they still refer to israel as their land..... hmmmmm...... so they come here, use us and our resources, act and look american, but they don't believe this is their land..... they have a message from God, they believe they must all return to the the land, so it must be protected.


so wait a minute, does that mean that the Jews who come to america will use america to protect the land they will go back to????

then what happens to america after they leave .... .nothing, its keeps on going the same cause new jews are born who will use america..... what does that mean for america???


wake up people, it means 1/3 of ALL OF OUR FORIEGN AID dollars, 5.2 billion dollars last year went to a country who's population is 0.093% of the world population. what about the other 2/3 of the foriegn aid..... oh that, well another 1/3 went to countries like Eygpt who agree to sign treaties with Israel. we give them money for that too. oh ya, and we just spent 23 million and sent the corp of engineers to build a fence between israel and eygpt. WTF????

"In addition, there is the more than $1.5 billion in private U.S. funds that go to Israel annually in the form of $1 billion in private tax-deductible donations and $500 million in Israeli bonds. The ability of Americans to make what amounts to tax-deductible contributions to a foreign government, made possible through a number of Jewish charities, does not exist with any other country. Nor do these figures include short- and long-term commercial loans from U.S. banks, which have been as high as $1 billion annually in recent years."


what does all this mean to you? about $23,200 tax payer money per ISRAELI CITIZEN.

dude, no offense, but were bitchin about $4 gas and my friends wear second hand jeans.....


but that money is in a form of a loan, like all of the other countries who recieve aid, right? WRONG.
its all GRANTS.



what about private money? ha, plenty more billions since 1949 (Israel's founding) .....in 1957, private funding was 700 million a year. its double that now....

but, why do we do it?? CAUSE WE CAN'T STOP THEM. But our government controls the FEDERAL RESERVE, just tell them to stop......oh wait, no, the jewish coucil OWNS THE FEDERAL RESERVE.
what about politicians, why do they do it if they are not jewish.....cause THEY HAVE NO CHOICE. The LARGEST LOBBY groups are pro-israel. You don't have to support them, but then you won't get their money and guess who will..... who ever is running against you. This is our political culture. thats why every politian, including palin, mccain, obama & joe have stated they "LOVE ISRAEL" ..... you know what, i've traveled around the world, even been to israel, its not that nice. why don't the politians say "I love England" or Acapuco or bahamas or any other freakin' place??? Cause, they must make it known that they won't resist, even though they all admit they wish they didn't have to.



like i said before, i'm not anti-jew.........i'm pro-american.

lets the israeli's deal with their own problems. maybe we can do the same too.



http://www.washington-report.org/htm..._to_israel.htm
http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/1209/p16s01-wmgn.html
http://www.lovearth.net/therealcosto...tforisrael.htm
http://civillibertarian.blogspot.com...l-cost-us.html
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...o_Israel1.html
http://www.davidduke.com/writings/09-17-01.shtml
http://www.miftah.org/Display.cfm?Do...3&CategoryId=4

Ok, on further reflection, you are an anti-semite. Please go jump on a large metal spike.

[Mavdog]

Originally Posted by kappasigma

immigrants come to america and become american, so jews immigrate here and become american too, right?

ya, they do become american, but they don't call america they land, they still refer to israel as their land..... hmmmmm...... so they come here, use us and our resources, act and look american, but they don't believe this is their land..... they have a message from God, they believe they must all return to the the land, so it must be protected.

so wait a minute, does that mean that the Jews who come to america will use america to protect the land they will go back to????

then what happens to america after they leave .... .nothing, its keeps on going the same cause new jews are born who will use america..... what does that mean for america???

but, why do we do it?? CAUSE WE CAN'T STOP THEM. But our government controls the FEDERAL RESERVE, just tell them to stop......oh wait, no, the jewish coucil OWNS THE FEDERAL RESERVE.

like i said before, i'm not anti-jew.........i'm pro-american.

oh no, you're not "anti-jew", you are just a sweet patriotic person who believes that "jews..don't believe {america} is their land", "jews use us and our resources", and "the jewish coucil OWNS THE FEDERAL RESERVE."

take your bigotry and prejudice to a site where you can wallow in misinformed hate with the other scum who share your perverse views would ya?

thanks. don't let the door hit you as you leave....

[u2sarajevo]

If you are talking about Mark Steyn.... that guy is a wacko.

[kappasigma]

you're right, i should go and die.......


the nerve of me, wanting to end the expoitation of american lives and money.


actually, you should jump on that spike since you're anti-american. who's side are you on?

[DirkFTW]

By anti-zionist, do you mean anti-Israel?

[kappasigma]

look up zionist & you'll have your answer

[kappasigma]

btw, the answer is no. i've actually been to israel.

http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/

[Underdog]

Orthodox Jews are against Zionism - the Torah forbids the State of Israel...

[Mavdog]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Orthodox Jews are against Zionism - the Torah forbids the State of Israel...

and there are orthodox jews who are americans, and probably patriotic americans as well.

of course, as jews are not monolithic, some orthodox jews are zionists, some are not.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by Mavdog

and there are orthodox jews who are americans, and probably patriotic americans as well.

of course, as jews are not monolithic, some orthodox jews are zionists, some are not.

Yeah, it's mostly American Jews who support the state of Israel - ask a Russian Jew what they think about it and you'll get a totally different answer...

I do find it odd, however, that both Obama and McCain have [literally] pledged allegiance to Israel (as did the Bushes and Clintons) - I just wonder how many masters one can serve? At the end of the day, are our leaders looking out for America/Americans first, or are they willing sacrifice OUR security for that of Israel? [because the people who orchestrated 9/11 didn't have any beef with America until Israel was founded...]

And don't get me wrong - we have the same deal with Great Britain too, but Israel is caught up in a long-term war that we've tied ourselves to both diplomatically and financially... What do Americans get out of the deal?

[Mavdog]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Yeah, it's mostly American Jews who support the state of Israel - ask a Russian Jew what they think about it and you'll get a totally different answer...

you mean all those thousands of russian jews who emmigrated to israel to excape the anti-semitism in russia?

I do find it odd, however, that both Obama and McCain have [literally] pledged allegiance to Israel (as did the Bushes and Clintons) - I just wonder how many masters one can serve? At the end of the day, are our leaders looking out for America/Americans first, or are they willing sacrifice OUR security for that of Israel? [because the people who orchestrated 9/11 didn't have any beef with America until the Israel was founded...]

there is a sizeable jewish voting element in america, they do need to show that they will act as that group wishes them to. not to mention the evangelical element that has adopted israel....

the two are not mutually exclusive btw, israel is important to america's goals in the middle east.

no, I do not believe there is any need to "sacrifice" america's security for israel's security. if there was a need for that choice between them we're in a very, very bad scene.

I disagreee with the conclusion about the radical islamist not having an issue with america until israel was founded. the philosophy behind their beliefs existed prior to 1947, and as the us is the world leader we always would bear their focus.

And don't get me wrong - we have the same deal with Great Britain too, but Israel is caught up in a long-term war that we've tied ourselves to both diplomatically and financially... What do Americans get out of the deal?

we could benefit once the issue is resolved (may that happen very soon). there is actually a chance that may have some legs, the saudi proposal seems to have some life to it.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by Mavdog

you mean all those thousands of russian jews who emmigrated to israel to excape the anti-semitism in russia?

No, I mean the millions of Jews who stayed in Russia and rode it out (like Jews always have - don't underestimate the power of tradition in this culture...)

Originally Posted by Mavdog

there is a sizeable jewish voting element in america, they do need to show that they will act as that group wishes them to.

I know - I'm one of them... I have family in Israel, but I don't think their politics benefit anyone but the Zionist extremists who run that country... The government/clergy benefits at the expense of the common Jew (not a new theme in our history...)

To give a (very) loose Christian-equivalent to the internal Jewish strife over Zionism: how would the common American Baptist respond to a Mormon becoming president of the United States then declaring that all American Christians must now practice as Mormons?

Originally Posted by Mavdog

I disagreee with the conclusion about the radical islamist not having an issue with america until israel was founded. the philosophy behind their beliefs existed prior to 1947, and as the us is the world leader we always would bear their focus.

Not true - both Osama bin Laden (and to a lesser degree, Saddam Hussein) were on the US payroll up through the 1980s... Hell, radical Islamic groups even helped the Allies drive back the Nazis in the region during WWII... Our leaders and theirs had mutual use for each other until political posturing in Israel started driving an ever-increasing wedge between the two...

Originally Posted by Mavdog

we could benefit once the issue is resolved (may that happen very soon). there is actually a chance that may have some legs, the saudi proposal seems to have some life to it.

We've heard this before, but who knows? Maybe this time it will actually happen (we can only hope/pray...)

[Silk Smoov]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Yeah, it's mostly American Jews who support the state of Israel - ask a Russian Jew what they think about it and you'll get a totally different answer...

I do find it odd, however, that both Obama and McCain have [literally] pledged allegiance to Israel (as did the Bushes and Clintons) - I just wonder how many masters one can serve? At the end of the day, are our leaders looking out for America/Americans first, or are they willing sacrifice OUR security for that of Israel? [because the people who orchestrated 9/11 didn't have any beef with America until Israel was founded...]

And don't get me wrong - we have the same deal with Great Britain too, but Israel is caught up in a long-term war that we've tied ourselves to both diplomatically and financially... What do Americans get out of the deal?

Just to be honest, I think America defending Israel has more to do with biblical than anything else. So, I am in support of it. IMO

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by Silk Smoov

Just to be honest, I think America defending Israel has more to do with biblical than anything else. So, I am in support of it. IMO

That's gotta be the stupidest thing I've ever heard...

HOW does a primarily-Christian nation siding with Jews against Muslims have "more to do with biblical than anything else"??? (especially when the Jews turned their back on Jesus for heresy and the Muslims didn't even exist when the Bible was assembled!)

[Silk Smoov]

Originally Posted by Silk Smoov

Just to be honest, I think America defending Israel has more to do with biblical than anything else. So, I am in support of it. IMO

My response. No harm at all.

[Silk Smoov]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Yeah, it's mostly American Jews who support the state of Israel - ask a Russian Jew what they think about it and you'll get a totally different answer...

I do find it odd, however, that both Obama and McCain have [literally] pledged allegiance to Israel (as did the Bushes and Clintons) - I just wonder how many masters one can serve? At the end of the day, are our leaders looking out for America/Americans first, or are they willing sacrifice OUR security for that of Israel? [because the people who orchestrated 9/11 didn't have any beef with America until Israel was founded...]

And don't get me wrong - we have the same deal with Great Britain too, but Israel is caught up in a long-term war that we've tied ourselves to both diplomatically and financially... What do Americans get out of the deal?

Here is the statement that I responded to.

[kappasigma]

can someone please tell me one benefit AMERICA has had from all of our support to Israel? anyone?

[Arne]

Originally Posted by kappasigma

can someone please tell me one benefit AMERICA has had from all of our support to Israel? anyone?

It makes you feel anti-anti-semite. :-)

[Mavdog]

Originally Posted by kappasigma

can someone please tell me one benefit AMERICA has had from all of our support to Israel? anyone?

an easy benefit is the role of israel in the region as a force against our mutual adversaries. recall how israel took out iraq's nuclear weapons initiative in the mid 80s, recently against the syrians who were trying to get nuclear weaponry, not to mention the role of the israeli intelligence services in providing information.

a second benefit is the shared weapons systems, israel has developed the best anti-missle defense system in the world called arrow, and has also developed the world's most sophisticated drones.

the israeli business community also contributes, with leading pharmaceutical companies as well as computer software. trade between the usa and israel is over $26B/yr.

the israeli society is the only democracy in the area, all israeli citizens (both jewish or non-jewish inc. arabs) have the right to vote. this does provide a strong example of how other societies can progress themselves from where they are today into a freerer society.

[kappasigma]

Originally Posted by Mavdog

an easy benefit is the role of israel in the region as a force against our mutual adversaries. recall how israel took out iraq's nuclear weapons initiative in the mid 80s, recently against the syrians who were trying to get nuclear weaponry, not to mention the role of the israeli intelligence services in providing information.

a second benefit is the shared weapons systems, israel has developed the best anti-missle defense system in the world called arrow, and has also developed the world's most sophisticated drones.

the israeli business community also contributes, with leading pharmaceutical companies as well as computer software. trade between the usa and israel is over $26B/yr.

the israeli society is the only democracy in the area, all israeli citizens (both jewish or non-jewish inc. arabs) have the right to vote. this does provide a strong example of how other societies can progress themselves from where they are today into a freerer society.

are you serious? only democratic society? and its cause the gov't was set up by US & Britian....as far as trade, we do 300 times more trade with other countries like China that does not GET ANY GRANTS from us.


and they are protecting us from Iraq in the 80's?????? does it look like we need their help? has iraq ever been a threat to us? Aren't we the ones who use to GIVE IRAQ THEIR WEAPONS IN THE 80's TO USE AGAINST IRAN???


i'm still waiting for a benefit worth over 1 trillion dollars, 220,000 arab lives, 12 thousands american lives

[kappasigma]

the taliban are not people .... taliban means "the base" i.e. their headquarters. its like calling americans washington d.c.'s or something. Al-Quiada is the name of the terrorist and they all join in afghanistan because if you don't, you die. if your beard is not long enough, you die. if anyone can tell that your wife is pretty, she's raped. if you don't fight and support them, you die. if you don't give them your money, you die.

the afghan people have been terrorized their whole existance, back to when Gengis Khan burned and salted all of their land to f**K it up for the future.

they are not allowed to go to school or to learn, in fear that they might rise against the forces of Al-Quiada.

How many of the 9/11 high jackers were afghan nationalist? what about before then, USS Cole and the world trade bombings in the 90's....... how many of those were afghans?

in fact, how many were Iraqi's??

they all came from the Saudi Peninsula.


but we won't dare say or threaten Saudi or their king...... instead Laura Bush gives him a $90,000 braclet after 9/11.


makes sense to me.

oh, but iraq is a threat to Israel. so lets use all of our resources and end that threat. but we never addressed the real threat and that's why after all these lives and billions of dollars, we are no more safer than before. all we do is make everyone take off their shoes at the airport.

[kappasigma]

US protects Israel because the people who really run this country, not bush or cheney, are jewish & if you don't believe, just look it up.

here's a start, a book called "united states of israel"

[Mavdog]

Originally Posted by kappasigma

US protects Israel because the people who really run this country, not bush or cheney, are jewish & if you don't believe, just look it up.

here's a start, a book called "united states of israel"

ok, I've "looked it up" and the conclusion is you're a nut job.
satisfied?

[kappasigma]

if hindu's ran our country, i'm sure India would benefit greatly from having a big brother with lots of cash and muscles

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by kappasigma

if hindu's ran our country, i'm sure India would benefit greatly from having a big brother with lots of cash and muscles

India already benefits from our country (I mean, I haven't been laid-off twice in the past 3 years because my jobs were being outsourced to Israel...)


And I hear what you're saying about Jews running America, but separate the soldiers from the generals... There's a lot of Mormons and good ol' fashioned WASPS running this country too (not to mention that billionaire Bob Johnson, founder of BET and friend of George Bush, is black) - it's the disproportion of powerful Jews in this country that raises red flags on Israel...


[[[Carnival Cruise Lines founder and ex-Israeli Mafia gun-runner, Ted Arison, founded the Miami Heat - that's enough "Israeli conspiracy" for this Mavs fan!!!]]]

[Murphy3]

Originally Posted by Underdog

India already benefits from our country (I mean, I haven't been laid-off twice in the past 3 years because my jobs were being outsourced to Israel...)


And I hear what you're saying about Jews running America, but separate the soldiers from the generals... There's a lot of Mormons and good ol' fashioned WASPS running this country too (not to mention that billionaire Bob Johnson, founder of BET and friend of George Bush, is black) - it's the disproportion of powerful Jews in this country that raises red flags on Israel...


[[[Carnival Cruise Lines founder and ex-Israeli Mafia gun-runner, Ted Arison, founded the Miami Heat - that's enough "Israeli conspiracy" for this Mavs fan!!!]]]

Funny thing.. In all my life, I don't know that I've ever met a Jewish person...