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yahyes · 05-13-2010, 03:13 AM

If his team chokes and looses yet again. Cuban show throw out whatever to make Lebron James a Mav!
Also Dirk is fine with a pay-cut . It can happen

EricaLubarsky · 05-13-2010, 03:20 AM

he signed here?!?!

janbronx · 05-13-2010, 05:52 AM

never gonna happen

bobatundi · 05-13-2010, 06:31 AM

Why do we keep letting Basketball 501 dude create new identities?

magman · 05-13-2010, 07:45 AM

If Cleveland loses to Boston Le Bron is gone.
Because he wants a championship. And he views himself as a VIP. Cleveland doesn´t suit him.

Dallas is the ONE team
that can offer him the most money
best chances at winning it all for the next years
the biggest sports arena in basketball history
a great owner
a big market
no taxes.

No other team in the NBA could offer him half as much.
If he thinks about it, Dallas has to be his first choice.
In Dallas he has the Chance to become the Michael Jordan of his time.
I don´t see that chance anywhere else.
New York, New Jersey suck.
Chicago is Jordanland and will always be.
Miami is all about D Wade and they don´t match up well either.
Not as good as Dirk and Le Bron would. And the supporting cast in Dallas is way better.
And Dirk is a quiet super star. It would be easy for LeBron to find the Fame he seeks in Dallas.

And if you keep Rddy you have a nucleus of championshis for the next ten Years.
Dirk, LeBron and Roddy would be the best offensive team of all time.
Add Kidd, a pass first HOF Guard,
and Haywood a great defensive center
and Butler or Marion from the bench.

You don´t have to be a genius to figure out your chances.

Maringa · 05-13-2010, 08:30 AM

Some good points above...however, 28 other teams are also competing for Lebron....Many team messageboards are posting the same thing you are posting. I don't like our chances based on past history...

He stays where he is at, or goes to New York, California or Florida...in that order of likelyhood. Texas (less than 5% chance). If he comes to Texas, it will be Houston, San Antonio or Dallas in that order.

magman · 05-13-2010, 09:21 AM

I don´t think he will stay in Cleveland, even IF they win the Championship.
But if they don´t, no way he is staying!

He needs the big Stage. He doesn´t want his fancy friends coming to Cleveland. What do you think, what Jay-Z is telling him? Remember Joakim Noahs notorious press conference about Cleveland. LeBron must have loved it!

LeBron in the Cowboystadium would be a nuclear light and his only chance to outshine the glamour boys from L.A.. Or the legends of the past. If LeBron wants to be the man, he has to go this way.

He won´t go to New York, because he learned his lesson, that even he can not win it on his own.
California? Clippers??? You sure don´t mean the Lakers. Never gonna happen!
There is a chance for Miami. But as I mentioned before, less chances for winning, than in Dallas, worse fit with DWade than Dirk, inferior supporting cast, no Cowboy Stadium and he would be the second guy behind Wade. LeBron wouldn´t like that. It would be a bad decision, but still possible.

The only reason one could possibly go to San Antone is Tim Duncan, but he is 34 and declining, no market, LeBron could as well stay in cleveland then.
Houston, why should he go there? He has better chances for winning in Dallas and he already played in the cowboy stadium, and he loved it, (cowboys are his favourite team, thats also a little advantage). He wants more of that, I believe.

Again,
he will leave,
New York, Miami, Dallas are the only teams that make sense to him. And Dallas is definitely the best fit for LeBron. (The Dallas Team went to a concert of Jay-Z this year.You know why.)
If you ask me, Cuban has his eye on LeBron for years. The DUST Chip, the Allstar Event in the Cowboy Stadium, he has a plan. If everything falls into place, LeBron will be a Mav, and the Mavericks will be the Franchise of the next decade. LeBron and the cowboystadium means tons of money, tons of fame and tons of championships.
And LeBron will be, what he is ment for. The Michael jordan of his generation.
If LeBron wants to become what he is meant to be, he has to take the next step.
And this step is Dallas.

Underdog · 05-13-2010, 09:30 AM

Wow, this a conversation that isn't already going on in a dozen other threads...

Nice to see some original contributions around here for a change!

Rick41 · 05-13-2010, 10:51 AM

Noobs should be refrained from starting new threads.

LonghornDub · 05-13-2010, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Maringa

Some good points above...however, 28 other teams are also competing for Lebron....Many team messageboards are posting the same thing you are posting. I don't like our chances based on past history...

He stays where he is at, or goes to New York, California or Florida...in that order of likelyhood. Texas (less than 5% chance). If he comes to Texas, it will be Houston, San Antonio or Dallas in that order.

What? Houston and SA have no shot whatsoever. If he comes to Texas, which is incredibly unlikely, it will be to Dallas.

Maringa · 05-13-2010, 11:16 AM

Both New York & Miami I think have cap space to add two to three allstar players. Clippers have the ability to open up some space as well. Lebron, Wade and probabably some other allstars or near allstar quality free agents are probably already getting together and deciding which team they all want to go to.

Dallas - no....

ShaggyDirk · 05-13-2010, 11:46 AM

I like to hunt looses in the deep forest.

sefant77 · 05-13-2010, 12:28 PM

shh, we should let this thread die..

Dirkadirkastan · 05-13-2010, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Maringa

Some good points above...however, 28 other teams are also competing for Lebron....Many team messageboards are posting the same thing you are posting. I don't like our chances based on past history...

He stays where he is at, or goes to New York, California or Florida...in that order of likelyhood. Texas (less than 5% chance). If he comes to Texas, it will be Houston, San Antonio or Dallas in that order.

You really have absolutely no clue what's important here, do you? It starts with an 'm', ends with a 'y', and it often represented by a '$'.

It's also the reason we have a better shot than 25 teams in the NBA. But of course, you'd need to be paying attention to the numbers to know that.

Flacolaco · 05-13-2010, 01:04 PM

I added his name to his headline, since he's evidently reporting it.

wilmtalk · 05-13-2010, 01:11 PM

Actually dallas is a great fit for him and he definately would put them over the top. LB and Dirk would really complement each other. The short comnings I see is RC. A player wants to play for a good coach. Also Kidd would become a fifth wheel because Lebron brings ball movement which is why the mavs need Kidd on the floor. Lebron has to have the ball in his hands.

ShaggyDirk · 05-13-2010, 01:14 PM

I miss BigD

magman · 05-13-2010, 03:18 PM

RC is a good coach.
He is just retarded in treating Rookies.
I mean Roddy was the ONLY player besides Dirk scoring 40 points in a game and he was viewed as the X Factor in the series by almost everybody besides RC. He showed us why in Game 6. But of course we all know that.
But besides that RC has also done some good things for the Mavs. And since LeBron is no rookie why should he bother?

I´m sure LeBron wouldn´t mind playing with Kidd. I believe they would benefit from each other, because they both are great passers, terrific fast breakers and have great or good court vision,
so the Mavs would also improve in fastbreak and passing.
The Mavericks would be the team to beat. For the first time Dirk and LeBron would have a second guy on their team who can step it up consistently and they both have to love that.

There is no reason I can think of, why LeBron would not want to come to Dallas.

Kidd Karma · 05-14-2010, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by magman

RC is a good coach.
He is just retarded in treating Rookies.
I mean Roddy was the ONLY player besides Dirk scoring 40 points in a game and he was viewed as the X Factor in the series by almost everybody besides RC. He showed us why in Game 6. But of course we all know that.
But besides that RC has also done some good things for the Mavs. And since LeBron is no rookie why should he bother?

I´m sure LeBron wouldn´t mind playing with Kidd. I believe they would benefit from each other, because they both are great passers, terrific fast breakers and have great or good court vision,
so the Mavs would also improve in fastbreak and passing.
The Mavericks would be the team to beat. For the first time Dirk and LeBron would have a second guy on their team who can step it up consistently and they both have to love that.

There is no reason I can think of, why LeBron would not want to come to Dallas.

Kidd and Lebron have become good friends over the years, Lebron loves Kidd's game. I think Kidd, Dirk, Cuban and Nelson have to go on a recruiting tour, Lebron, Wade and Bosh. Put their plan on the table and get a commit somewhere. Everyone's offer is already on the table, you know NYK, NJ, Chicago and Miami, no ones knows the Mav's plan. Texas can become your state.

Mav Addict · 05-14-2010, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Kidd Karma

Kidd and Lebron have become good friends over the years, Lebron loves Kidd's game. I think Kidd, Dirk, Cuban and Nelson have to go on a recruiting tour, Lebron, Wade and Bosh. Put their plan on the table and get a commit somewhere. Everyone's offer is already on the table, you know NYK, NJ, Chicago and Miami, no ones knows the Mav's plan. Texas can become your state.

Lebron used to love Kidd's game....Im sure he doesn't like Kidd's current game

magman · 05-14-2010, 04:16 PM

I would even say he copied somewhat Kidds game if you look at the way he plays.
Kidd is LeBrons Rolemodel to some extent, passing, fast break and court vision wise.

rabbitproof · 05-14-2010, 04:21 PM

Dream on.

GuerillaBlack · 05-14-2010, 04:32 PM

LeBron will end up in one of three places: Cleveland, New York, or Chicago.

I highly doubt we'll see him anywhere else.

RoddyB#3 · 05-14-2010, 05:43 PM

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=27xm4kp
(Used Jamison and Varejao to help display possible max contract amount for LeBron)

I'm not a big time optimist on the chances of LeBron coming here. However, I thought I'd take a shot at a possible scenario.

Mavs Send:
Caron Butler
Erick Dampier
Future 1st round pick
Cash

Mavs Get:
LeBron James

Cavs Send:
LeBron James
J.J.Hickson

Cavs Get:
Caron Butler
Andris Biedrins
Anthony Randolph
Future Mavs 1st round pick
Cash - from Mavs
(Perhaps we could throw in Calathes rights?)

GS Sends:
Andris Biedrins
Anthony Randolph

GS Gets:
Erick Dampier
J.J.Hickson

Why Mavs do it: For what we would be sending in this deal as apposed to receiving , we would be stupid not to.

Why Cavs do it: To be honest, they don't want to. However, if it becomes apparent that he is leaving. They would be better suited to try and work with him on a trade and preferably to the West. A solid SF in Caron, a center to replace the expiring Shaq and Z, and a young stud in Randolph who could have a bright future there. The pick and money are just sweeteners. I'd prefer to keep Calathes, but he could be something they like in a future PG prospect. The one thing I worry about is how they would view Andris and that long contract. I'm hoping that with his age, their need for a center, and all the other goodies they get in the deal. They will be more likely to accept taking him on. I know they like Hickson, but most people will tell you that Randolph's possible ceiling is higher than his.

Why GS does it: We already know that they want out of those bad contracts they have. They tried once to combine Randolph with Corey to move his contact, but couldn't get a deal that gave them the savings they wanted. Seeing as no one is really interested in taking on Maggette at his age, contract, and past complaints about him. Their best bet is to try and move Andris who has begun to fall out of favor with them. They will entertain talks on Ellis, but that would require more talent than cost savings. So they waive Damp and get huge cost savings, and if the deal worked out like I have it. They would still get back a young PF in Hickson.

This deal seems to work out for the parties involved. I doubt discussions will ever take place between the 3. Thought it would be interesting to show everyone a deal that could work and makes some sense.

Kidd Karma · 05-14-2010, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by magman

I would even say he copied somewhat Kidds game if you look at the way he plays.
Kidd is LeBrons Rolemodel to some extent, passing, fast break and court vision wise.

He came out to Norcal after his soph season in hs to join up with Leon Powe's AAU team, so I was able to see him play back then. He was very similar to Magic-Kidd, in givign up the ball, lobs, fast breaks, he rarely took shots, was more ofa playmaker.

GuerillaBlack · 05-14-2010, 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RoddyB#3

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=27xm4kp
(Used Jamison and Varejao to help display possible max contract amount for LeBron)

I'm not a big time optimist on the chances of LeBron coming here. However, I thought I'd take a shot at a possible scenario.

Mavs Send:
Caron Butler
Erick Dampier
Future 1st round pick
Cash

Mavs Get:
LeBron James

Cavs Send:
LeBron James
J.J.Hickson

Cavs Get:
Caron Butler
Andris Biedrins
Anthony Randolph
Future Mavs 1st round pick
Cash - from Mavs
(Perhaps we could throw in Calathes rights?)

GS Sends:
Andris Biedrins
Anthony Randolph

GS Gets:
Erick Dampier
J.J.Hickson

Why Mavs do it: For what we would be sending in this deal as apposed to receiving , we would be stupid not to.

Why Cavs do it: To be honest, they don't want to. However, if it becomes apparent that he is leaving. They would be better suited to try and work with him on a trade and preferably to the West. A solid SF in Caron, a center to replace the expiring Shaq and Z, and a young stud in Randolph who could have a bright future there. The pick and money are just sweeteners. I'd prefer to keep Calathes, but he could be something they like in a future PG prospect. The one thing I worry about is how they would view Andris and that long contract. I'm hoping that with his age, their need for a center, and all the other goodies they get in the deal. They will be more likely to accept taking him on. I know they like Hickson, but most people will tell you that Randolph's possible ceiling is higher than his.

Why GS does it: We already know that they want out of those bad contracts they have. They tried once to combine Randolph with Corey to move his contact, but couldn't get a deal that gave them the savings they wanted. Seeing as no one is really interested in taking on Maggette at his age, contract, and past complaints about him. Their best bet is to try and move Andris who has begun to fall out of favor with them. They will entertain talks on Ellis, but that would require more talent than cost savings. So they waive Damp and get huge cost savings, and if the deal worked out like I have it. They would still get back a young PF in Hickson.

This deal seems to work out for the parties involved. I doubt discussions will ever take place between the 3. Thought it would be interesting to show everyone a deal that could work and makes some sense.

This trade really only benefits the Mavs. Not realistic, in my opinion. Mavs give up crap for LeBron...basically. At least give up Roddy, too (Cavs). And another first round pick. Even then, I'm not so sure.

RoddyB#3 · 05-14-2010, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by GuerillaBlack

This trade really only benefits the Mavs. Not realistic, in my opinion. Mavs give up crap for LeBron...basically. At least give up Roddy, too (Cavs). And another first round pick. Even then, I'm not so sure.

I'm not sure I understand your argument? Your saying because THE MAVS didn't give up a lot in the deal that it doesn't make sense. The point is using GS to make up for the talent that we would have to have given up in a 1 on 1 deal with Cleveland. Now I probably agree that another 1st round should be thrown their way. There is no reason to give them Roddy with my proposed deal. They get an immediate starting SF and C. A future star, (if groomed right), in Randolph. I'll go ahead and change it to two 1st round picks along with the cash. If they really want a PG then give them Calathes rights.

I'm not sure how that is crap for Cleveland. I don't see them getting a better offer from anyone. Just because THE MAVS didn't give up a lot doesn't mean anything. It's what is Cleveland getting back. If they are not satisfied with that package with the possibility of Lebron leaving. They might as well resign themselves to the lottery. I just can't see Cleveland turning that down. NO ONE has a better offer. At least no one in a straight up two team deal. Any team that attempts to make a big trade for LeBron will have to gut their roster to do it. Of course that means LeBron is going to a team that isn't as good as it was, because they just sent a large portion of that talent the other way.

My deal works out great for this as it uses two teams to try and soften the blow to Cleveland. The real worry is actually GS. I'm basing this on them still wanting savings. Now this is 100% true as it relates to Maggette. Seeing as they failed to move him for savings. My guess is that Andris is the next reasonable move. I could be wrong on that though. I know they don't see him as highly as they once did.

clutch#41 · 05-14-2010, 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RoddyB#3

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=27xm4kp
(Used Jamison and Varejao to help display possible max contract amount for LeBron)

I'm not a big time optimist on the chances of LeBron coming here. However, I thought I'd take a shot at a possible scenario.

Mavs Send:
Caron Butler
Erick Dampier
Future 1st round pick
Cash

Mavs Get:
LeBron James

Cavs Send:
LeBron James
J.J.Hickson

Cavs Get:
Caron Butler
Andris Biedrins
Anthony Randolph
Future Mavs 1st round pick
Cash - from Mavs
(Perhaps we could throw in Calathes rights?)

GS Sends:
Andris Biedrins
Anthony Randolph

GS Gets:
Erick Dampier
J.J.Hickson

Why Mavs do it: For what we would be sending in this deal as apposed to receiving , we would be stupid not to.

Why Cavs do it: To be honest, they don't want to. However, if it becomes apparent that he is leaving. They would be better suited to try and work with him on a trade and preferably to the West. A solid SF in Caron, a center to replace the expiring Shaq and Z, and a young stud in Randolph who could have a bright future there. The pick and money are just sweeteners. I'd prefer to keep Calathes, but he could be something they like in a future PG prospect. The one thing I worry about is how they would view Andris and that long contract. I'm hoping that with his age, their need for a center, and all the other goodies they get in the deal. They will be more likely to accept taking him on. I know they like Hickson, but most people will tell you that Randolph's possible ceiling is higher than his.

Why GS does it: We already know that they want out of those bad contracts they have. They tried once to combine Randolph with Corey to move his contact, but couldn't get a deal that gave them the savings they wanted. Seeing as no one is really interested in taking on Maggette at his age, contract, and past complaints about him. Their best bet is to try and move Andris who has begun to fall out of favor with them. They will entertain talks on Ellis, but that would require more talent than cost savings. So they waive Damp and get huge cost savings, and if the deal worked out like I have it. They would still get back a young PF in Hickson.

This deal seems to work out for the parties involved. I doubt discussions will ever take place between the 3. Thought it would be interesting to show everyone a deal that could work and makes some sense.

this trade is horrible in so many ways..idk where to start lol..one of the most unrealistic trades ive ever seen.

mac222b · 05-15-2010, 12:18 AM

it's not a bad idea just unlikely- as are most trade scenarios. The Bulls, Mavs and maybe Nets could give some decent tlaent back to Cavs w/out gutting their roster. this helps our chances. Knicks have no 1st rd. pick and have little to send back to Cleveland. same w/ Miami. i don't see ANYONE Wade Jmes or Bosh turning down a 6th year and 30 mil. more to hopefully"win more". The GM's of these teams will have some leverage too. it behooves ALL parties involved to have one another's backs. Mavs have some nice pieces and thus are in a better position to land a top 3 free agent then many are giving us credit for. what are the Knicks going to give back for a big time free agent? David Lee, Toney Douglas and some picks? for Lebron or Bosh? please. call their bluffs. let them walk and leave 30 million on the table (this all assumes that these players are looking for max deals at max yrs.)

mac222b · 05-15-2010, 12:23 AM

i guess i'm saying if i'm Ferry if Bron comes and says he's leaving,nothing will change his mind i say "well we prefer you stay but if you must go it would be beneficial to all parties if you went to Bulls, Mavs, Nets, Clipps- in that order. they have some chips we could use. you don't leave us high and dry and looking like a bad guy and you make some(30 million!)extra dough." win-win-win

Mavericks Rockets Fan · 05-15-2010, 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

i guess i'm saying if i'm Ferry if Bron comes and says he's leaving,nothing will change his mind i say "well we prefer you stay but if you must go it would be beneficial to all parties if you went to Bulls, Mavs, Nets, Clipps- in that order. they have some chips we could use. you don't leave us high and dry and looking like a bad guy and you make some(30 million!)extra dough." win-win-win

Houston could offer Martin + Ariza or Battier + 2 NY 1st Round Picks for LeBron. That is easily the best deal the Cavs get for him.

But who is able to offer Cleveland the best deal for LeBron is a moot point. LeBron has to agree to any S&T that Cleveland does. So LeBron is going to decide which team he wants to go to and then Cleveland will have to work out a deal with them....

magman · 05-15-2010, 07:11 AM

I believe Dallas is the best player on the market and will go after LeBron.
It would be crazy not to. He is 25. Hes awesome in almost every category. If he comes, Dallas will reign for the next ten years.
Till Dirk declines they can get 3 or more Championships and after that Roddy will have developed to a player of DWade value.
So Dallas has to do it all to recruit LeBron. I would even spend a million or two just for the effort to recruit him.
Because if he comes to Dallas championships and money will be rolling for everyone involved.
Again tell me one reason why LeBron would rather go some place else and I tell you ten reasons why he should rather go to Dallas.
More than ever he needs to win now, and Dallas is the best place for him to do so right away.
Yeah use Kidd and Dirk and his favourite cowboy player to persuade him.
Dallas is his town. He just doesn´t know yet. Not quite.

sefant77 · 05-15-2010, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Rockets Fan

Houston could offer Martin + Ariza or Battier + 2 NY 1st Round Picks for LeBron. That is easily the best deal the Cavs get for him.

James says no in 3 seconds. The last thing he want is depend on Yaos health the next years. Brooks = Mo, Scola = Varejao, Lowry = West and the big question mark Yao playing several seasons 100+ games.

And its not easily the best deal. Martins price tag was Carl Landry. He is an injury prone and no franchise player. Ariza is a 4th option in a good team and he should never been a scorer or franchise #2 or even #3. It was one of the biggest jokes what he did last season in Houston, never realizing he isnt a scorer and not a guy that should take 5 threes a game. That was A. Walker style. Too proud or too dumb. His role is what he was with the Lakers and the full MLE isnt a great contract for such a player either. Thats 2 long not cheap contracts...

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But who is able to offer Cleveland the best deal for LeBron is a moot point. LeBron has to agree to any S&T that Cleveland does. So LeBron is going to decide which team he wants to go to and then Cleveland will have to work out a deal with them....

Thats the beauty of the dustchip, you dont have to give back huge contracts that Cleveland actually have to pay (like Martin/Ariza), it works also just with a Roddy and picks and maybe thats what Cleveland is looking for in a rebuilding situation and not rebuilding with Martin/Ariza that lock up almost 20 mio and wont lead a franchise to anything...

GuerillaBlack · 05-15-2010, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

James says no in 3 seconds. The last thing he want is depend on Yaos health the next years. Brooks = Mo, Scola = Varejao, Lowry = West and the big question mark Yao playing several seasons 100+ games.

Brooks = MO? Don't disrespect Aaron Brooks like that. He is already much better than Mo Williams. Not to mention he doesn't disappear in playoff games. Scola >> Varejao. And that's not even debatable really. Why would James say no to being on a team with Brooks/James/Ariza/Scola/Yao with Budinger, Hill, Lowry, Hayes, and a potential lottery pick off of the bench. What if the Rockets get lucky and get into the top 3 of the lottery and draft Wall, Cousins, Turner, or Favors? Don't think it'll look attractive then?

And about Yao's health, if anything, it could be a Shaq situation. Yao can play the beginning of the season, have an "injury" after the All-Star Break, and not play until the playoffs. The Rockets have shown they can win plenty of games without Yao.

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And its not easily the best deal. Martins price tag was Carl Landry. He is an injury prone and no franchise player. Ariza is a 4th option in a good team and he should never been a scorer or franchise #2 or even #3. It was one of the biggest jokes what he did last season in Houston, never realizing he isnt a scorer and not a guy that should take 5 threes a game. That was A. Walker style. Too proud or too dumb. His role is what he was with the Lakers and the full MLE isnt a great contract for such a player either. Thats 2 long not cheap contracts...

Martin isn't a franchise player, but he'll get you 20 a night...efficiently. And Ariza is a fourth option, but he can be a third. Once Martin was in the Houston lineup, we finally saw what Ariza could do while playing his natural position. He'll get you your points, assists, rebounds, and maybe a block here or there some nights. I mean, he averaged 15 points, 5.6 rebounds, and 3.8 assists this season. That isn't bad. I think he led the league in steals, too. And for what we are getting out of Ariza, the MLE was cheap bro. Didn't the Mavs once spend their entire MLE on Diop? I rest my case.

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Thats the beauty of the dustchip, you dont have to give back huge contracts that Cleveland actually have to pay (like Martin/Ariza), it works also just with a Roddy and picks and maybe thats what Cleveland is looking for in a rebuilding situation and not rebuilding with Martin/Ariza that lock up almost 20 mio and wont lead a franchise to anything...

Or, they could gladly take Battier's expiring contract instead? Not to mention the leadership that Battier would bring.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RoddyB#3

I'm not sure I understand your argument? Your saying because THE MAVS didn't give up a lot in the deal that it doesn't make sense. The point is using GS to make up for the talent that we would have to have given up in a 1 on 1 deal with Cleveland. Now I probably agree that another 1st round should be thrown their way. There is no reason to give them Roddy with my proposed deal. They get an immediate starting SF and C. A future star, (if groomed right), in Randolph. I'll go ahead and change it to two 1st round picks along with the cash. If they really want a PG then give them Calathes rights.

Why not give up Roddy? The Mavs are going to have to give up more. You can't try and make Golden State give up all of the value, when all you give up is an expiring in Butler and two first round draft picks (basically) for LeBron. I see you're name is RoddyB, so maybe that's why you wouldn't want to give him up, but you would have to give him up at least.

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I'm not sure how that is crap for Cleveland. I don't see them getting a better offer from anyone. Just because THE MAVS didn't give up a lot doesn't mean anything. It's what is Cleveland getting back. If they are not satisfied with that package with the possibility of Lebron leaving. They might as well resign themselves to the lottery. I just can't see Cleveland turning that down. NO ONE has a better offer. At least no one in a straight up two team deal. Any team that attempts to make a big trade for LeBron will have to gut their roster to do it. Of course that means LeBron is going to a team that isn't as good as it was, because they just sent a large portion of that talent the other way.

No one has a better offer? Hell, the Houston offer in this thread is a better deal than that one. Your deal really favors the Mavs more. You're going to have to give up at least one young prospect and not just crap, an expiring, and two picks.

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My deal works out great for this as it uses two teams to try and soften the blow to Cleveland. The real worry is actually GS. I'm basing this on them still wanting savings. Now this is 100% true as it relates to Maggette. Seeing as they failed to move him for savings. My guess is that Andris is the next reasonable move. I could be wrong on that though. I know they don't see him as highly as they once did.

Yeah, I'm looking at Golden State's end, and not sure why they would do it to. They are getting crap back (especially with Damp), for giving up their young players Biedrins and Randolph. Hickson is the only bright spot, and even then, he didn't really play much during the season and it could be a risk pick up by Golden State (not sure what kind of player Hickson will be).

mqywaaah · 05-15-2010, 11:17 AM

OMG! Is this official? Should we make yahyes GM? Do we roll out the red carpet already? Wow!

sefant77 · 05-15-2010, 11:51 AM

I stopped reading where you pointed out Arizas 15 points without mentioning his 39%.

Hell, Barea could score 15 points with at least the same percentage...

And an expiring u still have to pay for one year. And what leadership the Cavs need from Battier after James is gone?

GuerillaBlack · 05-15-2010, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

I stopped reading where you pointed out Arizas 15 points without mentioning his 39%.

You stopped reading? Doesn't look like it (since you pointed out the Battier leadership thing), but okay.

Anyway, the reason why I didn't point that out is because Ariza's percentage went up once Martin came. Ariza went to the low 30s before Martin came. After the trade, Ariza starting getting more open looks and dunks. His percentages were low because he tried to do too much and was playing out of his position. We saw what he could do when there was a true or better SG.

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And an expiring u still have to pay for one year. And what leadership the Cavs need from Battier after James is gone?

You don't think Battier could help keep that team together? Heart, hustle, etc. He would be good for the Cleveland media, too. And did you not watch the Celtics-Cavs series? What leadership did you see out of LeBron? And even then, that doesn't take away from the fact that Battier has always been considered a good leader.

And what do you mean, you still have to pay for one year? Was that not the point of sending an expiring contract to Cleveland?

Mavericks Rockets Fan · 05-15-2010, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

I stopped reading where you pointed out Arizas 15 points without mentioning his 39%.

Hell, Barea could score 15 points with at least the same percentage...

After the Martin Trade:

46.9% from 2
38.1% from 3

His overall fg% was 42.9% but that was because he shot many threes. About 40% of his shot attempts were three pointers...

Dirkenstien · 05-15-2010, 03:08 PM

I see how Houston could make a quality trade offer to Cleveland and I see how they could put a competitive squad around him, but due to Yao's injuries they're still lacking that second superstar to pair Lebron with which I think will be an essential factor in his decision should he decide to leave.

Considering all of the assets Houston has it isn't out of the realm of possibility to imagine they could make some moves to try and bring in another talent like Bosh to create a more attractive destination, but I think that increases the complexity level significantly.

Nonetheless, Houston has a creative GM and can't be ruled out but I think Dallas is in a slightly better situation having both valuable assets to offer Cleveland as well as a talented team featuring a second superstar to offer Lebron. With all this said, it's still a pipe dream but it's nice to at least have a chance.

Mavericks Rockets Fan · 05-15-2010, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirkenstien

I see how Houston could make a quality trade offer to Cleveland and I see how they could put a competitive squad around him, but due to Yao's injuries they're still lacking that second superstar to pair Lebron with which I think will be an essential factor in his decision should he decide to leave.

Considering all of the assets Houston has it isn't out of the realm of possibility to imagine they could make some moves to try and bring in another talent like Bosh to create a more attractive destination, but I think that increases the complexity level significantly.

Nonetheless, Houston has a creative GM and can't be ruled out but I think Dallas is in a slightly better situation having both valuable assets to offer Cleveland as well as a talented team featuring a second superstar to offer Lebron. With all this said, it's still a pipe dream but it's nice to at least have a chance.

I agree with this. I think if LeBron had to choose between Dallas and Houston, he'd choose Dallas. Simply because Dallas went 55-27 last year and was 2nd in the West and they have Dirk.

What others were saying is that Dallas' offer to Cleveland was better than Houston's offer to Cleveland. Not only do I consider this to not be the case, but the whole discussion of who could offer a better deal to Cleveland I consider to be moot. Because LeBron will decide where he wants to go, not Cleveland.