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[Dr.Zoidberg]

Originally Posted by wmbwinn

Quote:
Originally Posted by wmbwinn
The gangsters of Chicago chose to not mug me because of the deterrent nature of my weapon.

Criminals pick on easy targets.

Doc Zoidberg: "My opinion: You had luck!"

When was the last time you saw a picture in the news of a man built like Arnold Schwarzenegger who was mugged?
Any stories of a gun store getting robbed?
Any stories of the police station getting robbed?

Criminals prefer easy targets.

As I am not an American, I pass this question to our well informed members with US citizenship...

[wmbwinn]

Originally Posted by Dr.Zoidberg

As I am not an American, I pass this question to our well informed members with US citizenship...

What??! Do massive men and well armed police get assaulted by street riff raff in Germany?

[Dr.Zoidberg]

Originally Posted by wmbwinn

What??! Do massive men and well armed police get assaulted by street riff raff in Germany?

You are not allowed to bear arms in Germany, so we have no problems with getting robbed on the streets by force of arms (guns). And of course, if you don´t have weapons, you don´t assault massive men and well armed police...

[wmbwinn]

Originally Posted by Dr.Zoidberg

You are not allowed to bear arms in Germany, so we have no problems with getting robbed on the streets by force of arms (guns). And of course, if you don´t have weapons, you don´t assault massive men and well armed police...

Doesn't change the question: Do massive men and law enforcement suffer from violent crime aimed at them? Or is it the woman and weak man and empty house that gets targeted?

[Dr.Zoidberg]

Originally Posted by wmbwinn

Doesn't change the question: Do massive men and law enforcement suffer from violent crime aimed at them? Or is it the woman and weak man and empty house that gets targeted?

If there is something to get from a weak man, woman or something valuable to get out of an empty house, you prefer that. You mostly take a line of the least resistance.

But for a criminal who has taken into his head to rob someone, because he conjectured rich booty, it doesn´t matter. If you have the gun, you have the power and blow away whoever you want to achieve your goal.

[wmbwinn]

It shouldn't be so hard to get a person to admit that this point:

"Criminals prefer easy targets"

is true. Thanks for finally allowing the point.

Is not true that Hitler avoided a clash with Switzerland? His reasoning was that the cost was higher than the benefit. And, why did he reason that? Because every man has a military rifle and knows how to use it there. Every man serves in the military there for a brief tour and every man has to re-check back in with his rifle in good repair from time to time and demonstrate he can still use it well.

Maintaining a deterrence is not an original American ideal. Maintaining a defense is not just American.

There are some Europeans who feel the same way. Hope the unification of Europe doesn't result in German/Brit style gun laws applying to all of Europe.

But, come to America, Doc. We could use some more reasonable men that are well educated and can understand the value of having a weapon.

[jefelump]

Originally Posted by Dr.Zoidberg

You are not allowed to bear arms in Germany, so we have no problems with getting robbed on the streets by force of arms (guns). And of course, if you don´t have weapons, you don´t assault massive men and well armed police...

Since I don't live in Germany, I can't refute your statement. However, just because the law doesn't allow anyone to bear arms, doesn't mean the criminals who want to use them can't get them. That's true in any country.

[Underdog]

Dr Zoidberg:




I agree with your ideals 100%... I think guns only harm humans and zero good can come from their existence, but unfortunately you can't un-invent the gun - it's here to stay...


Q: Who has guns?
A: People who intend to use them...


Sometimes you need to protect yourself from those people and the best way to do it is with a gun - quite the paradox, no?

The US military has a lot of guns, but our citizens actually out-arm them... For all the despicable crap our government has done, they've rarely turned their guns on the People... Why? Because for every Kent State they've given us, we've given them a Whiskey Rebellion - open war against a well-armed populace is a waste of time & resources in a Democracy...




To Americanize/modernize a poem that originated in your country:



When they came for the immigrants
I remained silent;
I was not an immigrant.


When they came for the homosexuals
I remained silent;
I was not a homosexual.


When they came for the rednecks..... they stopped coming.





-UD

[wmbwinn]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Underdog again.

I agree with your post. The three of us are not far apart (Doc Zoidberg, Underdog, Wmbwinn).

My only departure is that the firearm is a deterrent and a defense.

The song quoted illustrates the defense and deterrence.

Here's a fun one liner (one liners are silly as they do not convey 100% truth and are inadequate on their own legs):

The Second Amendment is in place in case the politicians forget about the other amendments.

[jefelump]

Originally Posted by wmbwinn

Here's a fun one liner (one liners are silly as they do not convey 100% truth and are inadequate on their own legs):

The Second Amendment is in place in case the politicians forget about the other amendments.

Illustrated by the following:

Originally Posted by Underdog

The US military has a lot of guns, but our citizens actually out-arm them... For all the despicable crap our government has done, they've rarely turned their guns on the People... Why? Because for every Kent State they've given us, we've given them a Whiskey Rebellion - open war against a well-armed populace is a waste of time & resources in a Democracy...

[mcsluggo]

Originally Posted by wmbwinn

Doesn't change the question: Do massive men and law enforcement suffer from violent crime aimed at them? Or is it the woman and weak man and empty house that gets targeted?

you point is of course correct in general (everyone seeks easy targets)


but this guy didn't seem like a lilting lilly to me

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...7112701710.jpg

[Some Guy]

Originally Posted by jthig32

Why are you discussing your family being at risk at all? No one was at risk in this situation.

I don't have an opinion on this case, but your statement has been made a few times and doesn't seem to match the story.

He wasn't at risk before he left his house, but he also didn't shoot before he left the house.
At some point, there was a risk, and after that he shot.

[GermanDunk]

Originally Posted by wmbwinn

What??! Do massive men and well armed police get assaulted by street riff raff in Germany?

Yes ! Me ! Not armed but 200 lbs. and 2 meters nearly got beaten up by turkish "fellow citizens"...

The wimps preferred to bring me down by kicking in my knee-hollow instead of facing me. 6 weeks ago.

[dude1394]

Well maybe we should try this method.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topstor...9520-20629459/

Boris Johnson: "If you see trouble walk away"
3/07/2008

Boris Johnson urged people to walk away if they see a crime committed rather than risk their own lives.

The London mayor admitted he would tell his own children to "look after themselves" rather than play Good Samaritan to a victim.

Just last year, he called on people to "take a risk" and tackle thugs, saying the chance of being stabbed was "microscopic".

But Mr Johnson revealed a "very nice ex-jailbird" recently warned him: "If you see a fight in the street, don't risk it, someone might have a knife."

He said: "I'm afraid that may sound like a lack of public spirit if someone is being badly attacked.

"But if I was giving advice to my kids and there was a bar brawl it would be to look after themselves.

"Everybody is shocked by the level of violence we are seeing, particularly towards young people, and we must all work as hard as we can to reverse this dreadful trend."

[Dr.Zoidberg]

Bad trend, but I am sure that guns are not the solution for this problem...

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by Dr.Zoidberg

Bad trend, but I am sure that guns are not the solution for this problem...

Guns should be the LAST solution to any problem (but sometimes you exercise your options quickly...)

[dude1394]

Guns will never be a solution to the problem if you run away.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by dude1394

Guns will never be a solution to the problem if you run away.

"Peace is its own reward" -Gandhi

[Dr.Zoidberg]

Originally Posted by dude1394

Guns will never be a solution to the problem if you run away.

Yes, it´s called civil courage, and you can also exercise it without a gun.

[GermanDunk]

Originally Posted by Dr.Zoidberg

Yes, it´s called civil courage, and you can also exercise it without a gun.

And then you get slashed. I´d rather call a taxi than beeing slain.

[Dr.Zoidberg]

Originally Posted by GermanDunk

And then you get slashed. I´d rather call a taxi than beeing slain.

Civil courage doesn´t necessarily mean to help the victim directly. This depends on the situation. For example, if there are more people around and you get loud and try to stop the aggressor, mostly other people will join you to help. Someone has to do the first step.

If you are alone and someone is threatened, maybe it´s better to bring help or call the police.

Civil courage means, not to look the other way and run off...

[GermanDunk]

Most killers are pissed. You´re right, but i only call the cops.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by Dr.Zoidberg

For example, if there are more people around and you get loud and try to stop the aggressor, mostly other people will join you to help..

I think that applies more in Berlin than New York (an' we're talkin' 'bout Texas!)

You have to remember that the Gun is older than the New World...

[dude1394]

So in other words, help 'em out if there's no chance of getting yourself hurt, otherwise, f'em.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by dude1394

So in other words, help 'em out if there's no chance of getting yourself hurt, otherwise, f'em.

Unfortunately...

[mary]

I'd like to think I'd be more than willing to sacrifice my personal safety to help another person.

However, there's not a chance in hell I'm risking my life for someone's 32" Toshiba.

I can honestly say that I wouldn't want anyone else risking their lives for MY 32" Toshiba.

Life...Toshiba.

Life...Toshiba.

Life...Toshiba.

Nope, its really not a hard decision.

So here's a notice to all my future and potential neighbors. If ever you are being robbed, I will be more than happy to turn on the neighborhood bat signal, but I'm not risking my ass to save you from having to buy another freakin XBOX, or Wii, or 5-Disc CD changer, or any other crap you've managed to shove on your department store credit card. Nobody's crap is really that important.

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by wmbwinn

The gangsters of Chicago chose to not mug me because of the deterrent nature of my weapon.

Criminals pick on easy targets.

There's more than one way to not be an easy target. I'm sure that whipping out that revolver and spinning the chamber, then brandishing a knife and scratching your cheek with it, after which you watched the scary gang of bad guys disperse at the sight of your macho act of bravado probably felt very good to you, like you were playing the lead role in a Hollywood script...but maybe there was another way...

Maybe the guy with twenty-five years of education has learned something along the way, and he's aware enough of his surroundings that he won't stop his fancy rental car and walk into a ghetto convenience store in the middle of the night so that he can ask directions, wearing his "easy target" white shirt and tie, while a gang of eight thugs are standing on the corner.

Unless, of course, you're the kind of guy who owns close to a hundred guns and doesn't mind using them, and after all, why shouldn't the bad part of Chicago still be part of the personal universe that you own? You are ARMED after all, damnit! That makes any space you want YOURS!

[wmbwinn]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

There's more than one way to not be an easy target. I'm sure that whipping out that revolver and spinning the chamber, then brandishing a knife and scratching your cheek with it, after which you watched the scary gang of bad guys disperse at the sight of your macho act of bravado probably felt very good to you, like you were playing the lead role in a Hollywood script...but maybe there was another way...

Maybe the guy with twenty-five years of education has learned something along the way, and he's aware enough of his surroundings that he won't stop his fancy rental car and walk into a ghetto convenience store in the middle of the night so that he can ask directions, wearing his "easy target" white shirt and tie, while a gang of eight thugs are standing on the corner.

Unless, of course, you're the kind of guy who owns close to a hundred guns and doesn't mind using them, and after all, why shouldn't the bad part of Chicago still be part of the personal universe that you own? You are ARMED after all, damnit! That makes any space you want YOURS!

Honestly, I never thought about it at the time. I was naieve. I just needed to ask for directions. Never thought I would be a target of mugging. I definitely don't plan on stopping there again...

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

There's more than one way to not be an easy target. I'm sure that whipping out that revolver and spinning the chamber, then brandishing a knife and scratching your cheek with it, after which you watched the scary gang of bad guys disperse at the sight of your macho act of bravado probably felt very good to you, like you were playing the lead role in a Hollywood script...but maybe there was another way...

Maybe the guy with twenty-five years of education has learned something along the way, and he's aware enough of his surroundings that he won't stop his fancy rental car and walk into a ghetto convenience store in the middle of the night so that he can ask directions, wearing his "easy target" white shirt and tie, while a gang of eight thugs are standing on the corner.

Unless, of course, you're the kind of guy who owns close to a hundred guns and doesn't mind using them, and after all, why shouldn't the bad part of Chicago still be part of the personal universe that you own? You are ARMED after all, damnit! That makes any space you want YOURS!

WORSHIP ME!

[wmbwinn]

Originally Posted by mary

I'd like to think I'd be more than willing to sacrifice my personal safety to help another person.

However, there's not a chance in hell I'm risking my life for someone's 32" Toshiba.

I can honestly say that I wouldn't want anyone else risking their lives for MY 32" Toshiba.

Life...Toshiba.

Life...Toshiba.

Life...Toshiba.

Nope, its really not a hard decision.

So here's a notice to all my future and potential neighbors. If ever you are being robbed, I will be more than happy to turn on the neighborhood bat signal, but I'm not risking my ass to save you from having to buy another freakin XBOX, or Wii, or 5-Disc CD changer, or any other crap you've managed to shove on your department store credit card. Nobody's crap is really that important.

Easy to be logical on a chatboard. Don't know how you will really respond in the "heat" of the moment. As I said earlier, my actions in various times and places is not logical. But, I do know that that is how I have reacted in the past. And... I would not expect a woman to brandish a shotgun and come to my rescue. [I'd think she was really 'something' if she did]

[wmbwinn]

Originally Posted by Underdog

WORSHIP ME!

His cartridges are too small

[wmbwinn]

Originally Posted by GermanDunk

Yes ! Me ! Not armed but 200 lbs. and 2 meters nearly got beaten up by turkish "fellow citizens"...

The wimps preferred to bring me down by kicking in my knee-hollow instead of facing me. 6 weeks ago.

So, in hindsight, how are you going to save your knees (and ass) in the future? Want at least a Taser stun gun?

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by wmbwinn

His cartridges are too small

that's what she said

[wmbwinn]

give me two Browning Automatic Rifles (30 06 chambering)...

or two Gatling guns (.308 Cartridge).

Then I'll be impressed.

Better yet, the WartHog's 20 mm nose cannon is pretty darn impressive... Ask the Afghannies who had success shooting down our helicopters early but had their arse kicked when the WartHogs made it to town in the second wave...

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by wmbwinn

give me two Browning Automatic Rifles (30 06 chambering)...

or two Gatling guns (.308 Cartridge).

Then I'll be impressed.

Better yet, the WartHog's 20 mm nose cannon is pretty darn impressive... Ask the Afghannies who had success shooting down our helicopters early but had their arse kicked when the WartHogs made it to town in the second wave...

"My, what a big GUN you have grandma... Can I touch it?"


(at least she's impressed...)

[wmbwinn]

gunroomcompressed.jpeg

Which one, little lady?

[92bDad]

Originally Posted by mary

I'd like to think I'd be more than willing to sacrifice my personal safety to help another person.

However, there's not a chance in hell I'm risking my life for someone's 32" Toshiba.

I can honestly say that I wouldn't want anyone else risking their lives for MY 32" Toshiba.

Life...Toshiba.

Life...Toshiba.

Life...Toshiba.

Nope, its really not a hard decision.

So here's a notice to all my future and potential neighbors. If ever you are being robbed, I will be more than happy to turn on the neighborhood bat signal, but I'm not risking my ass to save you from having to buy another freakin XBOX, or Wii, or 5-Disc CD changer, or any other crap you've managed to shove on your department store credit card. Nobody's crap is really that important.

Just remember that, the next time you read or hear about someone getting murdered...then up further investigation they find a rap sheet on the perp, who happened to start his/her life of crime as a burglar.

Mary could have stopped the senseless murder rampage, if bag when they where walking out of your house with your Wii, Mary was in position to shoot the criminal, but felt that the criminals life was worth more than the future lives that criminal would destroy...including your Wii with that target practice game...

[Dr.Zoidberg]

Originally Posted by wmbwinn

So, in hindsight, how are you going to save your knees (and ass) in the future? Want at least a Taser stun gun?

In America he probably would have been shot, as everyone has a gun.

And to the statement:

Originally Posted by jefelump

However, just because the law doesn't allow anyone to bear arms, doesn't mean the criminals who want to use them can't get them. That's true in any country.

That´s definitely true, but I can´t remember any case in Germany, in which a person has been shot during a robbery in the open street...

I also know, and already wrote this in another thread, that in the USA are already too much weapons in circulation to come to grips with this "weapon problem", which you apparently don´t notice as a problem. But I understand that, as you always had the right to bear arms by constitution.

Last but not least, it´s also a question of tenor of the inhabitants of a country. And in Europe the tenor of people regarding this topic is totally different from America, as here we never had the rights to bear arms.

Originally Posted by 92bDad

Just remember that, the next time you read or hear about someone getting murdered...then up further investigation they find a rap sheet on the perp, who happened to start his/her life of crime as a burglar.

Mary could have stopped the senseless murder rampage, if bag when they where walking out of your house with your Wii, Mary was in position to shoot the criminal, but felt that the criminals life was worth more than the future lives that criminal would destroy...including your Wii with that target practice game...

Here we go again...

So I mentioned it several times. Why don´t adopt the death penalty for burglars, as it´s obvious in your thinking that those criminals will be murderers sooner or later...

[mary]

Originally Posted by 92bDad

Just remember that, the next time you read or hear about someone getting murdered...then up further investigation they find a rap sheet on the perp, who happened to start his/her life of crime as a burglar.

Mary could have stopped the senseless murder rampage, if bag when they where walking out of your house with your Wii, Mary was in position to shoot the criminal, but felt that the criminals life was worth more than the future lives that criminal would destroy...including your Wii with that target practice game...

Don't think much of the Boys in Blue, huh?

Them and their sissy handcuffs!


Honestly, this is just dumb.

And I know you're not a dumb person.

[mary]

Originally Posted by wmbwinn

Easy to be logical on a chatboard. Don't know how you will really respond in the "heat" of the moment. As I said earlier, my actions in various times and places is not logical. But, I do know that that is how I have reacted in the past. And... I would not expect a woman to brandish a shotgun and come to my rescue. [I'd think she was really 'something' if she did]

You've kind of missed the point. I said in cases where actual PEOPLE in danger, I agree with you. But choosing PROPERTY over LIFE is not only illogical, but immoral....not matter how heroic people make it out to be.