Mavs off-season and draft 2023 thread

[mac222b]

I wouldn?t give Hardy or #10 for Turner? straight up. Let alone both. Just draft Lively or Walker at 10 and have a cost controlled core of Hardy, Green and Walker/Lively to go with Luka.

[tap2390]

Lively is two years away from being two years away. I would literally rather have TJD.

I personally hope we keep #10 and acquire a second late first/ early second. This is one of the deepest drafts I've ever seen. It's reminiscent of 2020.

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by tap2390

Lively is two years away from being two years away. I would literally rather have TJD.

I personally hope we keep #10 and acquire a second late first/ early second. This is one of the deepest drafts I've ever seen. It's reminiscent of 2020.

Lively does need a ton of work. I have a feeling he would be extremely foul prone for a couple years. Great upside though. Would have to give him 10-15 a night rookie season and then 20-25 in year two and hope by year 3-3 and a half you have a reliable starter. Like the Nets did with Claxton. I think Claxton averaged 12.5 mins his rookie year.

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by mac222b

I wouldn?t give Hardy or #10 for Turner? straight up. Let alone both. Just draft Lively or Walker at 10 and have a cost controlled core of Hardy, Green and Walker/Lively to go with Luka.

I think some of you are tripping if you think Luka is sticking around waiting for young guys to develope

I'm pretty sure he's watching Denver and seeing how they've put the right pieces in place around his buddy jokic

That clock is ticking for Luka and as much as some of you want to wait for rookies or 2nd year guys to develope if this team finishes 7th or 8th seed next year trying to develope guys or miss the playoffs again Luka is most likely going to want out asap

He ain't sticking around waiting for a roster to win down the road

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

I think some of you are tripping if you think Luka is sticking around waiting for young guys to develope

I'm pretty sure he's watching Denver and seeing how they've put the right pieces in place around his buddy jokic

That clock is ticking for Luka and as much as some of you want to wait for rookies or 2nd year guys to develope if this team finishes 7th or 8th seed next year trying to develope guys or miss the playoffs again Luka is most likely going to want out asap

He ain't sticking around waiting for a roster to win down the road

In fairness, you?re probably right. I personally wouldn?t trade 10 or Hardy for Turner. I would make it my mission to build something sustainable. But I guess we are past that, especially after the Kyrie trade.

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by mac222b

In fairness, you?re probably right. I personally wouldn?t trade 10 or Hardy for Turner. I would make it my mission to build something sustainable. But I guess we are past that, especially after the Kyrie trade.

I'm not that sold on Hardy tbh

Someone else mentioned earlier his situation sort of reminds me of Roddy B after his rookie year when the mavs made him untouchable overrating his talent

If you could finally land a legit starting center like Turner to add to Luka and kyrie you have to do because this team is in win now mode with those two guys on the roster.

I was listening to 105.3 the fan today and Tim Cato discussed this same situation. That 10th Pick is more likely to land a guy who needs further development to help this team down the road and unfortunately you don't have that time if you want to appease Luka

You got to try and go for it now.....

Siakam, OG Anouby, Turner or Grant are proven players who help you win now

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

I'm not that sold on Hardy tbh

Someone else mentioned earlier his situation sort of reminds me of Roddy B after his rookie year when the mavs made him untouchable overrating his talent

If you could finally land a legit starting center like Turner to add to Luka and kyrie you have to do because this team is in win now mode with those two guys on the roster.

I was listening to 105.3 the fan today and Tim Cato discussed this same situation. That 10th Pick is more likely to land a guy who needs further development to help this team down the road and unfortunately you don't have that time if you want to appease Luka

You got to try and go for it now.....

Siakam, OG Anouby, Turner or Grant are proven players who help you win now

Not sure we have the assets for Siakam or OG. In fact I?m almost 100% certain we don?t. Unless Toronto loves Hardy (which if they do might be a clue not to trade him) Hardy is on a GREAT contract. His ceiling is all-star. I?m not saying he?ll get there, but I was a skeptic and the guy totally won me over. He has ?it.? He shot 40% from 3. Looks like he belongs. And is a gym rat. I would have to be blown away to trade him on the contract we have him on. Isn?t it possible he comes back better and stronger and scores 15ppg off the bench for us next season on efficient shooting and with better defense? Id for sure want to find if I was MBT before dealing him this summer.

[rimrocker]

I'm very intrigued with Lively now that Wemby is in our division. Lively's ability to guard the whole court with his size and length is rare and he might be able to somewhat hang with Wemby.

I wouldnt mind seeing the Mavs trade back to around 20 where Lively is expected to get picked and acquire a wing defender in the process.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by rimrocker

I'm very intrigued with Lively now that Wemby is in our division. Lively's ability to guard the whole court with his size and length is rare and he might be able to somewhat hang with Wemby.

I wouldnt mind seeing the Mavs trade back to around 20 where Lively is expected to get picked and acquire a wing defender in the process.

I suggested something like this earlier.

Thing about the draft is that you just don't know who will be good or when they will contribute.

Hardy largely came on big because we lack overall talent.

So people say Lively is 4 years from anything when we ARE STARTING DWIGHT POWELL. If Lively averaged 4/4/2, then that's already a win. Shot blocking is his game, and I'm not sure that aspect is something that needs years to translate. He just has no offensive game.

I also like Leonard Miller if we trade back. Rebounding machine and the perfect mobile 4. Plus, Hardy's success with the Ignite should encourage us to be more open to G-league prospects.

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

I think some of you are tripping if you think Luka is sticking around waiting for young guys to develope

I'm pretty sure he's watching Denver and seeing how they've put the right pieces in place around his buddy jokic

That clock is ticking for Luka and as much as some of you want to wait for rookies or 2nd year guys to develope if this team finishes 7th or 8th seed next year trying to develope guys or miss the playoffs again Luka is most likely going to want out asap

He ain't sticking around waiting for a roster to win down the road

So what, its not like hes in his twilight years like Dame. Mavs were in win now mode last year and look at them now. Theyll be in win now mode forever with Luka, might as well draft some assets. Guys can be immediate contributors as rookies btw.

[tap2390]

There are a ton of players in the 15-30 range that make sense for the Mavs: Jordan Walsh, Trayce Jackson-Davis, Rayan Rupert, Bilal Coulibaly, Leonard Miller, City Sissoko, Dereck Lively, Adem Bona, James Nnaji, Marcus Sasser.

10 is a tough draft position for the Mavericks. I think other people will recognize this, and will low-ball the Mavs for the pick pre-draft. If the Mavs do trade the pick, it will be during the draft. I could especially see the Mavs picking up Cason Wallace for a PG-needy team.

[saclare]

Originally Posted by tap2390

There are a ton of players in the 15-30 range that make sense for the Mavs: Jordan Walsh, Trayce Jackson-Davis, Rayan Rupert, Bilal Coulibaly, Leonard Miller, City Sissoko, Dereck Lively, Adem Bona, James Nnaji, Marcus Sasser.

10 is a tough draft position for the Mavericks. I think other people will recognize this, and will low-ball the Mavs for the pick pre-draft. If the Mavs do trade the pick, it will be during the draft. I could especially see the Mavs picking up Cason Wallace for a PG-needy team.

Jordan Walsh is DFS for those who want a defense minded player with offensive upside. He'll come in younger than DFS with a better offensive game that still needs work, but advanced as a cutter and screener thanks to Muss' pro style.

If you could trade back for a couple of firsts, him and say Lively would be smart targets and begin to form a solid, balanced core.

I still understand the trade and improve with star/vets now, too. It's going to get interesting.