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Old 06-21-2008, 12:17 AM   #1
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A little early for the oh woe is me I'm a victim race card isn't it? All of those stupid white folks who are giving him internet money. I just can't stand race-mongers.

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"We know what kind of campaign they are going to run. They're going to try to make you afraid. They're going to try to make you afraid of me. He's young. He's inexperienced and he's got a funny name. And, did I mention he's black."

It is no surprise that the liberals at CNN could not quite get condemn him for this. Sick.
Man...5 more months of hearing this stroker whine about how anyone who doesn't vote for him's a racist.
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A little early for the oh woe is me I'm a victim race card isn't it? All of those stupid white folks who are giving him internet money. I just can't stand race-mongers.



Man...5 more months of hearing this stroker whine about how anyone who doesn't vote for him's a racist.
Please. The media got a big collective hard-on when his black preacher went and said a lot of black-preacher stuff. If you think it's not an issue, you're crazy.
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Please. The media got a big collective hard-on when his black preacher went and said a lot of black-preacher stuff. If you think it's not an issue, you're crazy.
Well when McCain whines that no african-americans will vote for him because he's white, I'll listen to ya'. Or when he whines that folks won't vote for him because he's an old dude then fine.

Until then Hussein should stfu.
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Well when McCain whines that no african-americans will vote for him because he's white, I'll listen to ya'. Or when he whines that folks won't vote for him because he's an old dude then fine.

Until then Hussein should stfu.
McCain doesn't need to whine about black voters. This isn't a new issue. Blacks have voted about 5/6 for Democrats for a long time. Obama has that number slightly higher, but rest assured, he's no Alan Keyes. Blacks are voting for Obama in larger than usual numbers because he's black, yes, but only just so. They'd have been voting for him because he is a Democrat for the most part anyway. Blacks don't vote Republican.

But do Republicans vote against a guy because he's black? (That's what Obama is suggesting they are trying, right?) You bet your ass they do.

What fascinates me is how you would like to pretend that a very real issue influencing this campaign does not exist. It most certainly exists, and only the ostrich with his head in his sand would claim that it doesn't. Why do you criticize Obama for recognizing it?
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Chum...the only thing hussein is doing here is trying to blunt all cricism of him, it's typical race-baiting practices. By sticking the race-card out there, he and all of his supporters can try to scream racism whenever anyone yacks at him. Same thing hillary did.

You don't like me, it's because I'm black. You don't like my policies...it's because I'm a black man. It's not because I'm devoid of anything but ultra socialist policies, it's because I'm black.

And sure it's going to exist... Just like him being a yankee liberal will cause others to not vote for him, or folks who think he's a muslim. Just like him being black will get even more of the black vote and blacks won't vote for whitey. He's barely won the nomination and he's tossing out the race card.
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Chum...the only thing hussein is doing here is trying to blunt all cricism of him, it's typical race-baiting practices. By sticking the race-card out there, he and all of his supporters can try to scream racism whenever anyone yacks at him. Same thing hillary did.

You don't like me, it's because I'm black. You don't like my policies...it's because I'm a black man. It's not because I'm devoid of anything but ultra socialist policies, it's because I'm black.

And sure it's going to exist... Just like him being a yankee liberal will cause others to not vote for him, or folks who think he's a muslim. Just like him being black will get even more of the black vote and blacks won't vote for whitey. He's barely won the nomination and he's tossing out the race card.
If he can blunt all criticism of him by dint of his being black, then I dare say that he is in the very best position to win this political battle. Politics is all about managing perceptions.

If you could look at this thing bluntly, like a Karl Rove would, you would recognize these things. The "race card" is not in essence AT ALL different from the "national security card" or the "Christian values card" or the "abortion card." They are all just cards in the deck, among the very many.

Trust me, Rove played a lot of good cards when he won his two presidential elections. And...why shouldn't he have?
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Chum...the only thing hussein is doing here is trying to blunt all cricism of him, it's typical race-baiting practices. By sticking the race-card out there, he and all of his supporters can try to scream racism whenever anyone yacks at him. Same thing hillary did.

You don't like me, it's because I'm black. You don't like my policies...it's because I'm a black man. It's not because I'm devoid of anything but ultra socialist policies, it's because I'm black.

And sure it's going to exist... Just like him being a yankee liberal will cause others to not vote for him, or folks who think he's a muslim. Just like him being black will get even more of the black vote and blacks won't vote for whitey. He's barely won the nomination and he's tossing out the race card.
Do you have a problem of Obama's name? Do you have a problem because he is black? He is half white/half black, got a problem with it? It sounds like to me you are whinning because you or your neocon friends can't attack him. You are the one that said Obama is alot easier to beat and i fear Hillary. Come on and give us a better shot. We see where your fear is as i marked them in red and you are the one saying it. Maybe you fear the 15 point lead Obama has opened up, so keep attacking and bring on those one liners. Give me some Faith and Values.
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I'm not an Obama supporter by any means, but I've noticed his opposition tends to be fairly concerned with "race"...
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I'm not an Obama supporter by any means, but I've noticed his opposition tends to be fairly concerned with "race"...
Best point made on this thread.
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Let me preface this by saying that I am more of a not McCain supporter than a Obama supporter. Paul was my guy.

But cmon, you're making fun of his obviously ethnic middle name and news outlets are associating his fist jab with terrorists... we're not color-blind and Obama is just confirming the realities of the situation.

Anyways, being that it is campaign season, as my friend says...

Obama will try not to appear too young and black, Michelle too angry.

McCain will try not to appear too old and white, Cindy too skanky.

Welcome to politics.
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Let me preface this by saying that I am more of a not McCain supporter than a Obama supporter. Paul was my guy.

But cmon, you're making fun of his obviously ethnic middle name and news outlets are associating his fist jab with terrorists... we're not color-blind and Obama is just confirming the realities of the situation.

Anyways, being that it is campaign season, as my friend says...

Obama will try not to appear too young and black, Michelle too angry.

McCain will try not to appear too old and white, Cindy too skanky.

Welcome to politics.
I feel quite the same. Except for the fact that Ron Paul still is my guy (of course not for the election but in general when it comes to politics of today) and that I don't have to make a choice for the lesser of two evils, since I'm not American. If I were American I'd be torn between Obama (probably a tough choice, but I'd do it just to make sure that McCain doesn't get into office) and the consitutional party's candidate, even though I'd much rather write "none of the above" on the ballot.

By the way it should say:

McCain will try not to appear too old, violent, mental and white, Cindy too skanky.
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Another race card whiney sighting.

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Another race card whiney sighting.
where'd you get that quote, dude?
Where I've read it, he said "doesn't look like all those other presidents on the dollar bills."
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080731/D928PB3O0.html
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You are not gonna win on race dude and again Obama is half white and half white. You are gonna have to jump on a swift boat and think of other ways, race won't win for you.
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You are not gonna win on race dude and again Obama is half white and half white. You are gonna have to jump on a swift boat and think of other ways, race won't win for you.
Obama's the one that brought up the race card, no me. He's proclaiming his early victimhood status.

Ask the clintons what they thought of his misogynistic endeavors.

It's a race to victimhood...

I'm black, I'm a victim. (Oh wait a minute, I'm half-white and a gazillionaire??...)
I'm a woman, I'm a victim...(Oh wait a minute, I have more cajones than my husband and I'm a gazillionaire).

Poor McCain...what's he gonna counter with.
I'm white....er......I've served my country and paid a high price for it!! Hey that's it...as Kerry said...I was in the military...I"m the REAL victim here!!!
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Poor McCain...what's he gonna counter with.
I'm white....er......I've served my country and paid a high price for it!! Hey that's it...as Kerry said...I was in the military...I"m the REAL victim here!!!
I understand the logic you used to lead up to this, and I have no argument with it. However, two things...

McCain's service was more than honorable, but he has long since reaped a VERY large reward for it. He has led a very good life, profitable in many ways, based in large part on his military service and his contibution to this country. He's certainly not "entitled" to anything more than he already has. In fact, he was never entitled even to that.

Second, does what McCain did forty years ago have any bearing at all on the question that is before us (who to choose as chief executive of our government)? I think not. You know, McCain can ride the coattails of compelling stories, too...
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I understand the logic you used to lead up to this, and I have no argument with it. However, two things...

McCain's service was more than honorable, but he has long since reaped a VERY large reward for it. He has led a very good life, profitable in many ways, based in large part on his military service and his contibution to this country. He's certainly not "entitled" to anything more than he already has. In fact, he was never entitled even to that.

Second, does what McCain did forty years ago have any bearing at all on the question that is before us (who to choose as chief executive of our government)? I think not. You know, McCain can ride the coattails of compelling stories, too...
Are you saying that Obama should now reap a large reward because he's black?

I don't give two rat's butts what color obama is, but I do find it pretty damn disgusting that he whips out the race card. If he wants to be president, then act like one. And as expected the media is right behind him with it to help him along.
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Are you saying that Obama should now reap a large reward because he's black?

I don't give two rat's butts what color obama is, but I do find it pretty damn disgusting that he whips out the race card. If he wants to be president, then act like one. And as expected the media is right behind him with it to help him along.
dude......We are living in historic times. It's a testament to just how far we have come, that we can talk about this as "playing the race card" or not. It was only, what, fifty or less years ago that blacks couldn't even drink from the same water fountains as whites? You may not give a rat's ass what color he is, but history certainly does. For you to ignore that his race is an issue is...well, it's just ignorant, is what it is.

Obama's race is a very, very, VERY real issue in this campaign. Some won't vote for him because of it, some will vote for him because of it, some will give him the benefit of the doubt because of it and some won't. Either way, we are going to figure some things out as an electorate.

You might feel that some people are supporting him just because he is black rather than because of his views...and others may feel that people are opposing him for the same reasons. In the end it doesn't matter. Elections are a PR game, no matter who is involved. Bob Dole was far and away the better choice to run the country from 1997 to 2001, but Clinton had his own issued that played. It's a game, and you may as well get used to it. At this point in time, and with this particular candidate, being black is a helpful thing in the game. But don't hate it...it's all part of it...
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Obama's the one that brought up the race card, no me. He's proclaiming his early victimhood status.

Ask the clintons what they thought of his misogynistic endeavors.

It's a race to victimhood...

I'm black, I'm a victim. (Oh wait a minute, I'm half-white and a gazillionaire??...)
I'm a woman, I'm a victim...(Oh wait a minute, I have more cajones than my husband and I'm a gazillionaire).

Poor McCain...what's he gonna counter with.
I'm white....er......I've served my country and paid a high price for it!! Hey that's it...as Kerry said...I was in the military...I"m the REAL victim here!!!
That is the whole idea dude, what is McCain gonna counter with? With Gore, he abandoned Clinton and he was very smart with book sense but he came off as trying to be a professor as Bush let everyone know i am a dunce but wouldn't you like a dunce and not trying to cover it up than a man that tries to come off as a professor. They chose a dunce and we got dunce results. Look at the economy, gas/oil, borders, healthcare, education, no bid contracts and the stuff dunce has us in the middle east as they let Laden roam around.

Next was Kerry and they told him to play the dunce roll and let them attack and you do not defend and he looked like a stooge because of it.

Now comes along Obama, everytime the gop want's to attack, Obama has wind of it two weeks before and no matter what they are fixing to attack with, he brings it to the table a week before they bring it on, he addresses it, turns it back on McCain/Bush/Cheney and Rams. Then instead of him having to defend it is this adm and McCain having to defend as he is on the offensive fixing to pound again. You are not going to bully this guy and he will turn the tables on McCain and this adm. It worked against Hillary and it will work against McCain.

The country wants someone that will stand up and have substance, not a mouse and someone that stays in the same click making back door sweetheart deals.

You are right, what are we going to attack him on? Being young and you can push McCain was a veteran and he isn't but he is going to make you stay on course and keep you on the issues because he will shoot down the tiddly winks Rove policies. He will turn them around on McCain and make him look like a mouse.
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Dude, the race card is not even going to scare and win he south for McCain. Look at GA, VA, MS, possibly Ark and all republican states that McCain will have hard fought battles to win in. Even the Carolinas.

As you try with the race card, the swiftboating, and the old faith and values jet eye mind tricks just won't work anymore. People actually care now about the economy, the middle east, healthcare, borders, jobs.

As you whine about race, librael, his name, it only makes you look what Scott talks about. Show us some of your passionate conservatism and whip in some faith and values in it and put some taxes on top and ride it all around on a swiftboat. Bob Barr is your man dude. Get on board.
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That's a very fair response, dude, and I appreciate that. However, I don't think we are far enough removed from the 50's and 60's and before to expect that there aren't any people who will vote AGAINST him because he's black.

I suspect that there are plenty of these people. After all, if 90% of blacks vote for a black just because he's black, don't you imagine there is some percentage of whites who vote against a black just because he's not white? In other words, race is VERY much an issue in this campaign. If old white women preferred Hillary for whatever reason, then there are people who prefer or don't prefer Obama, for whatever reason.

If that's the reality, why would a "better man" rise above it? It's a game, politics. It is played on many, many battlefields. If Obama can find a way to use it to his advantage (I doubt he will be able to do so), then all the more power to him. It's not worth any less or any more than any other angle these candidates will pursue.

And finally, I wouldn't call him a "race huckster." That was Jessie Jackson, or Al Sharpton. But even so, your proclamation that race hucksters have no place in our politics, I find misguided. Our politics are about whatever we as an electorate deem significant at the time. If we happen to decide, as an electorate, that race is a big issue and we need to elect a black...then race has a very real role in our political process, and let the best huckster win.
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It's not whether race is an issue, it's whether Obama should bring it up himself and say "woe is me".
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If woe is indeed him, why shouldn't he?
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Such behavior doesn't strike you as unprofessional? Seeking pity is not a great way to run a campaign. The issue would undoubtedly have arisen anyway, and addressing the issue candidly in that situation would have been very appropriate. But crying "no fair guys!" out of the blue when nobody said anything yet comes across as desperate self-pitying.
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Such behavior doesn't strike you as unprofessional? Seeking pity is not a great way to run a campaign. The issue would undoubtedly have arisen anyway, and addressing the issue candidly in that situation would have been very appropriate. But crying "no fair guys!" out of the blue when nobody said anything yet comes across as desperate self-pitying.
Ah, I see what you're getting at. At least so far, Obama hasn't done anything even remotely close to "unprofessional" or "self-pitying." So, you should not be concerned.

Now, he has indeed laid the groundwork for a counterattack against those who feel he is black and thus shouldn't be president. He's ahead of the game and ready for that issue.
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Like i have said dude, he isn't going to be a punching bag. He will respond and he will be two steps ahead. You will see the mistake you made by votting for the one you wanted running. Simply because of the reasons "you thought" you could hammer him on and thought he would lose as where you felt Hillary would win. You have mentioned the words, his name, him being black, librael, and it was a few more i forgot you mentioned.

Just ask Hillary if he is going to be easy to hammer on and beat. Good luck dude. By the way Bob Barr might run dude, get on board and ride that swiftboat.
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Like i have said dude, he isn't going to be a punching bag. He will respond and he will be two steps ahead. You will see the mistake you made by votting for the one you wanted running. Simply because of the reasons "you thought" you could hammer him on and thought he would lose as where you felt Hillary would win. You have mentioned the words, his name, him being black, librael, and it was a few more i forgot you mentioned.

Just ask Hillary if he is going to be easy to hammer on and beat. Good luck dude. By the way Bob Barr might run dude, get on board and ride that swiftboat.
I expect your political crystal ball to be about as right on this as everything else you've prognosticated. Once your lady was beaten then you very quickly got the Obama("oh did I mention I am black") religion just as badly.
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Like i have said dude, he isn't going to be a punching bag. He will respond and he will be two steps ahead. .
calling somebody racist before they've done anything racist isn't the kind of "two-steps ahead" that anyone should be proud of.
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calling somebody racist before they've done anything racist isn't the kind of "two-steps ahead" that anyone should be proud of.
It's sort of like pre-emptive war isn't it??
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I punched a man last week because I feared he might wrongly sue me for battery.

EDIT: It's a clever move by Obama. Now everything depends on "what the definition of is is" arguments.

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A presidential candidate who's named Hussein and wears a turban? A building that's called the White House but run by a black guy?
John McCain's camp said it will tolerate neither race-based messages nor false accusations of racism.

Barack Obama's campaign will be examining its opponent's political messages for racial references.

Those political images and ideas already have found their way onto TV airwaves and campaign buttons, possible harbingers of racially tinged messages in a general election involving the first black candidate to head a major party's ticket.
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Another racial remark? If it's criticism, it's a racial remark.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/201270.php
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Karl Rove's latest to Republicans about how to message on Obama ...

"Even if you never met him, you know this guy. He's the guy at the country club with the beautiful date, holding a martini and a cigarette that stands against the wall and makes snide comments about everyone who passes by."
So this is also racial. Bulls***..
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What is racial about that?
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A little early for the oh woe is me I'm a victim race card isn't it? All of those stupid white folks who are giving him internet money. I just can't stand race-mongers.



Man...5 more months of hearing this stroker whine about how anyone who doesn't vote for him's a racist.

I find this thread start absolutely hillarious (in a non funny way)...

given the fact that YOU have felt the need to smugly calling him Hussein --- I know, I know..its his name <wink wink> --- AND are constantly harping on "whitey hating" and absolute bullshit like that

Remind me again who is race mongering?
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I find this thread start absolutely hillarious (in a non funny way)...

given the fact that YOU have felt the need to smugly calling him Hussein --- I know, I know..its his name <wink wink> --- AND are constantly harping on "whitey hating" and absolute bullshit like that

Remind me again who is race mongering?
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And that's the human race.
We were never in the human race in the first place?
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It's sort of like pre-emptive war isn't it??
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Here's a pre-emptive anti-war ad...

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Have you seen the "Baby Alex" political ad that the radical-left, George Soros-funded organization MoveOn has produced? To some, it plays like a "Saturday Night Live" skit, but the intent is deadly serious: It is designed to damage John McCain.

In the ad, a young mother holding a baby says, "Hi, John McCain, this is Alex and he's my first . . . So, John McCain, when you say you would stay in Iraq for a hundred years, were you counting on Alex? Because, if you were, you can't have him."

I know, you think I'm making that up. No way.

These loopy MoveOn people spent more than one-half million dollars making and marketing the ad. No word on what Baby Alex's cut was.

My question is this: Who on earth would take that message seriously? What kind of voter is that supposed to reach?

The basic premise of the ad was a conversation from last January between Sen. McCain and the late Tim Russert. McCain told Russert that U.S. troops are needed around the world but we have to keep them safe. The Q&A went like this:

Russert: "President Bush has talked about our staying in Iraq for 50 years."


McCain: "Maybe 100 . . . We've been in South Korea — we've been in Japan for 60 years. That'd be fine with me, as long as Americans are not being injured or harmed."

Now, Baby Alex might not understand the geo-political implications of the comment, but honest adults should. The U.S. military is stationed overseas to protect our interests and to defuse dangerous situations, like turmoil in the Persian Gulf. That's tough for a child to digest, but, come on, it's not a kooky position even if you disagree.

Propaganda aside, I liked the Baby Alex ad so much that I'm suggesting MoveOn produce a series of them. Let's see . . . how about Baby Alex thanking his mom for not aborting him? That has a political theme to it.

Also, Baby Alex could extend his gratitude to the FBI for keeping his parents safe since the attack on 9/11. Alex could also, through his perspicacious mother, demonstrate his eagerness to see Islamic fascism defeated — so he and all the other babies won't have to deal with it when they grow up.

Perhaps Baby Alex's mom could also explain to him that he will never have to live under a tyrant like Saddam Hussein because his country embraces freedom. And then, after all that, Alex could settle in for a nice nap knowing that a nutritious meal will be ready for him upon awakening — a meal millions of babies in other countries will never get.

Those ideas should keep MoveOn very busy this election year, and I am definitely looking forward to seeing the spots on TV. Thank you, George Soros. You're a patriot.

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This just cracks me up.
1)take a history lesson from the Greek women who told their sons and husbands to come home from battle with their shields on or on their shields. Legend has it that one of these women killed her husband because he came home with a wound in his back (implying he retreated).

2)This ad implies that Obama is the anti-war candidate. This is also ludicrous. The only anti war candidate was Ron Paul. Obama has repeatedly said (when a clever newsman actually forced him to talk) that he has no plan to withdraw until we are victorious/successful.

3)This ad ignores the context of McCain's statement. McCain simply pointed out that we are in Korea and VietNam (and Germany and Japan for that manner) and all over the world in places where we suffer no losses and play various security roles by being deployed around the world. McCain said he intended to be succesful in Iraq (same thing Obama said) and see our men/women stop dying there...

This is another example of a completely stupid ad that focuses on the old yellow journalism trick called the "strawman" technique. First, definitions so you understand what I am saying:
yellow journalism: intentionally lying or giving a halftruth to promote your viewpoint. usually associated with bias and hatred.
strawman technique of yellow journalism: creating an entity that doesn't really exist and applying a label to it that is inaccurate and then destroying the "strawman". In this example above, the "strawman" is the suggestion that McCain intends to keep Americans in a line to die in Iraq. McCain has never said he expects 100 years of war and death in Iraq. Bush did not say that either when he said we may be in Iraq for 50 years. After this strawman is created, then it is destroyed.

Unfortunately, the Strawman technique is used widely in politics. McCain used it to narrowly beat Romney in Florida which catapulted him to the national victory in the Republican primary. He said that Romney supported a retreat from Iraq on a particular day. Romney never said that. So, McCain created a Strawman right before the vote (before Romney had time to de-bunk the myth) and then destroyed the strawman by saying Romney could not lead on national security...

Unfortunately, the Strawman technique was used by Obama when he implied that McCain was a racist. McCain has never said anything about Obama's race or heritage. But, Obama created the Strawman and then destroyed it.

The Strawman technique is a lie. I'm tired of being lied to.
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