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mikeinrowlett · 10-26-2004, 12:54 AM

George Karl on ESPN, and apparently Stephen A. Smith believe that Erick Dampier was the worst off season move in the NBA. Whatever.

EricaLubarsky · 10-26-2004, 01:05 AM

re-signing Stephen A. Smith has my vote as the worst move ESPN has made in recent history.

Apparently Dennis Hans of Hoopshype agrees. He voted him: Most annoying studio performer, Most rude, and Least insightful. Three awards he very much earns.

V · 10-26-2004, 01:05 AM

Last time I saw Benga he had the worst haircut of any Mav since the Detlef Schrempf chili bowl

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grndmstr_c · 10-26-2004, 01:07 AM

I saw that. All I could think to myself was that the national media coverage of the NBA is AGAIN going to make it a very...long...season. It wasn't just their irrational dismissal of the Dampier signing (why is it that we're the only team that gets the "they made to many changes", tag?). They just have no chemistry together. It was painful to watch that segment before they even made it to their annual Maverick bashing extravaganza.

EricaLubarsky · 10-26-2004, 01:10 AM

oop

mikeinrowlett · 10-26-2004, 01:19 AM

Found it interesting that the question was asked about Erick Dampier and it turned into the entire Mav offseason. Pretty short sighted view of losing Steve Nash I believe. Losing Nash hurts, obviously, but to deem the team a failure while not looking at the overall picture is ridiculous. Come back in two years when Nash is playing 18 minutes a game due to being played-out and make that same statement. I wanted to keep Nash, but NOT at that expense and for that many years. That would have been the worst off season move the MAVS could have made.

And are we not to make changes? Should the Mavericks be satisfied with being bumped out in the first round. I hope not.

Misfit Mav · 10-26-2004, 01:24 AM

Pure idiocy. I bet they said multiple times last year that the Mavs couldn't win because they didn't have a guy like Eric Dampier. Wouldn't surprise me if they named him specifically once or twice. Being in the sports commentary business means never having to say you're sorry.

Smiles · 10-26-2004, 01:27 AM

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Originally posted by: EricaLubarsky
re-signing Stephen A. Smith has my vote as the worst move ESPN has made in recent history.

Apparently Dennis Hans of Hoopshype agrees. He voted him: Most annoying studio performer, Most rude, and Least insightful. Three awards he very much earns.

Rude? Yes, that very much fits Eric. I only hope that his contributions to the team make it worth tolerating his presence.

EricaLubarsky · 10-26-2004, 01:29 AM

huh? I was saying that about Stephen A Smith. I havent heard any reports of Dampier being rude. Aloof maybe, but not rude.

EricaLubarsky · 10-26-2004, 01:50 AM

Two things get to me perennially.

1) Players (Mavs) never develop. Either they already have, or they are a risk for the future. It's an element of sports writing that it is evanescent. Reporters rarely have to stand behind anything. They said bad things about Nash when he first came to Dallas. We were in some deep trouble then. Nash developed, and got old and now he is the cornerstone of our franchise. I guess the same pattern that has happened for every good team in the NBA (minus the Kidd teams), isnt evidence enough that especially with point guards, teams need to develop.
2) Analysts seems to be stuck with a world-view that is completely missing a temporal element. If you listened to Stephen A. Smith long enough, you'd start to doubt that time even exists as a medium for change. Hogan's Heroes never got old, We could have kept our same Mavs team for 20 years, and reality tv will never die.

Phil Helmuth · 10-26-2004, 01:55 AM

Stephen A. Smith said something about he was "the moderator and no one could disagree with him" before they started arguing. When Kenny Smith decided to voice his OWN opinion Stephen A. Smith proceeded to belittle him and act like an immature ass (more than normal). I wish Kenny went Chris Everett/Jim Rome or Antonio Davis/Brendon Haywood on that loudmouth ass. I like that Kenny likes us, specifically Stack. I think Stack gets a bad rap, and is really a badass.

4cwebb · 10-26-2004, 01:58 AM

But it's almost a good thing if these pundits are picking against the Mavs, isn't it? Let these guys think what they may --- they have 30 teams to cover, so they can't possibly pay as much attention to the Mavs as true fans. Let them throw Damp under the bus all they want for now --- maybe it will make Damp work that much harder.

And, the espn pro basketball studio teams have been disasters from the get go --- anyone remember Tim Hardaway's stint? Who actually put that guy in front of a live camera? Kevin Frazier isn't terribly solid, and Mr. Smith just yells a lot. Sometimes it's funny --- I particularly like it when he calls out teams that are playing poorly, but other than that he's relatively worthless. And, how did George Karl fool someone again --- first, he dupes the Bucks into giving him a huge contract, now he convinced someone he should be on television.

On a related note, does anyone have any idea what happened to David Aldridge?

EricaLubarsky · 10-26-2004, 02:02 AM

dropped by ESPN, and picked up by TNT I think.

Unfortunately I think he'll be doing the reporting and Ernie, Charles and Kenny will be doing the majority of the talking.

Phil Helmuth · 10-26-2004, 02:04 AM

They didn't renew his contract! they picked SAS over DA!! AHAHAH they are going down the crapper. They let go of Mel Kiper as well, who actually knew alot about the draft so some retard in an outlandish suit can come up with some nickname for Andrew Walter and Derrick Johnson.

Misfit Mav · 10-26-2004, 02:04 AM

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Originally posted by: 4cwebb
Kevin Frazier isn't terribly solid

I think Kevin Frazier is doing celebrity gossip these days, a job to which he's much better suited.

FineCubanCigar · 10-26-2004, 02:39 AM

man, Mel Kiper made the NFL draft into the extravegansa it is today, that was dumb, and David was the only basketball guy they had i even remotely cared for. At least they didn't sign Walton.........yet rofl

bernardos70 · 10-26-2004, 01:05 PM

Kevin Frazier is a Lakers homer........ he's not that aggravating, which is more than what can be said about Steve A B***h. He has ruined my old home theater speakers' tweeters, I had to buy new ones.

madape · 10-26-2004, 01:17 PM

Of course, anyone who has a negative opinion of any of the Mavs players must be a fool, idiot, moron, etc... That's the way it goes on Dallas-Mavs.com these days. Everything is wonderful and it's the rest of the world who's crazy.

Usually Lurkin · 10-26-2004, 01:33 PM

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Originally posted by: madape
Of course, anyone who has a negative opinion of any of the Mavs players must be a fool, idiot, moron, etc... That's the way it goes on Dallas-Mavs.com these days. Everything is wonderful and it's the rest of the world who's crazy.

bradley sucks.
not trading him was the worse [non]move of the off-season [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

Murphy3 · 10-26-2004, 01:35 PM

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Originally posted by: madape
Of course, anyone who has a negative opinion of any of the Mavs players must be a fool, idiot, moron, etc... That's the way it goes on Dallas-Mavs.com these days. Everything is wonderful and it's the rest of the world who's crazy.

I concur to an extent. I hate always reading how this writer is an idiot or that on air personality is an idiot. Sure, Stephen A. Smith sucks....Sure, I can't stand George Karl, but is everyone that says something negative about the Mavs an idiot?

Like it or not, the Mavs have alot of new cogs to work in. Can they? Sure. If they do, they have a chance to make a serious run at a title. But will it all work this year? That's why they play the games, and it's definitely possible that this exact combination is the right one. But what I like is the youth on this Mavs team. Even if this isn't the year, I like the chances that it could be next year or the year after.

V · 10-26-2004, 01:35 PM

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Originally posted by: Usually Lurkin

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Originally posted by: madape
Of course, anyone who has a negative opinion of any of the Mavs players must be a fool, idiot, moron, etc... That's the way it goes on Dallas-Mavs.com these days. Everything is wonderful and it's the rest of the world who's crazy.

bradley sucks.
not trading him was the worse [non]move of the off-season [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

Now that's MAV BASHING. You get the idea...

mary · 10-26-2004, 01:37 PM

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Originally posted by: madape
Of course, anyone who has a negative opinion of any of the Mavs players must be a fool, idiot, moron, etc... That's the way it goes on Dallas-Mavs.com these days. Everything is wonderful and it's the rest of the world who's crazy.

I think you've just described about every sports message board I've ever been to.

Murphy3 · 10-26-2004, 01:46 PM

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Originally posted by: mary

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Originally posted by: madape
Of course, anyone who has a negative opinion of any of the Mavs players must be a fool, idiot, moron, etc... That's the way it goes on Dallas-Mavs.com these days. Everything is wonderful and it's the rest of the world who's crazy.

I think you've just described about every sports message board I've ever been to.

Unfortunately, D-M.com used to be better than that. Hopefully it will once again when the season starts.

Dirkenstien · 10-26-2004, 01:56 PM

No one deserves to be called an idiot however, I would highly contest any individual who made the assertion that Dallas filling a need through acquiring Erick Dampier was the worst move of any team this offseason.

FineCubanCigar · 10-26-2004, 02:02 PM

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Originally posted by: madape
Of course, anyone who has a negative opinion of any of the Mavs players must be a fool, idiot, moron, etc... That's the way it goes on Dallas-Mavs.com these days. Everything is wonderful and it's the rest of the world who's crazy.

ape get over it, Bradley is gonna ride the bench all year. I love ya man but come on and snap outa it, its gonna be alright.

FineCubanCigar · 10-26-2004, 02:05 PM

The thing i dont get is why we let a proven commodity like Nash walk because of money, and give a 1 year wonder tons of it. Age shouldn't factor in because they are roughly the same age and they are both injury prone. I guess size and D enter into the picture(which im not complaining about 4 sure), but Damp's contract is ridiculous no doubt. I only hope we can get rid of it in 3-4 years.

mary · 10-26-2004, 02:09 PM

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Originally posted by: FineCubanCigar
The thing i dont get is why we let a proven commodity like Nash walk because of money, and give a 1 year wonder tons of it. Age shouldn't factor in because they are roughly the same age and they are both injury prone. I guess size and D enter into the picture(which im not complaining about 4 sure), but Damp's contract is ridiculous no doubt. I only hope we can get rid of it in 3-4 years.

I think most of it has to do with their respective positions and trying to have a more balanced team.

madape · 10-26-2004, 02:09 PM

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Originally posted by: Dirkenstien
No one deserves to be called an idiot however, I would highly contest any individual who made the assertion that Dallas filling a need through acquiring Erick Dampier was the worst move of any team this offseason.

That's what Mavericks fans said to critics after the Montross deal, and we didn't give Montross an $80 million contract and he only cost us ONE first round draft pick, and NO solid rotation players like Laettner and Najera.

It can be argued, I suppose, that the Dampier deal was good for the Mavs because it helped us fill a need. Of course, that can only be proven true if the Mavs acheive more playoff success with him than they did without him. But I think you would be hard pressed to find a single NBA executive who didn't think that Dampier's seven year contract is ridiculous. RIDICULOUS. You would find quite a few very well respected men that share that opinion. I am not a well respected man, but I would agree that this contract is a joke.

FineCubanCigar · 10-26-2004, 02:20 PM

its true its ridiculous, but so was Juwan Howards ect. ect. and in all fairness Eric the great white hype Montross never averaged 12 and 12.

Drbio · 10-26-2004, 02:22 PM

Stephen A. Smith is a butt dumpling. I can't believe anyone gets upset over the crap that retard spews. reeds is more credible.

Drbio · 10-26-2004, 02:25 PM

BTW...don't think for a second that if NY had signed Dampier that Stephen Ahole Smith wouldn't be gushing all over him like the second coming of Shaq.

EricaLubarsky · 10-26-2004, 02:25 PM

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solid rotation players like Laettner and Najera

thanks for the larfs, Madape.

grndmstr_c · 10-26-2004, 02:27 PM

Ridiculous contracts were the norm this year. I just find it absurd that someone would pick out the ridiculous contract (that will probably end up being only 6 years, btw) we gave out that FILLED A GLARING NEED over all the other ridiculous contracts given out.

Murphy3 · 10-26-2004, 02:39 PM

Yes, it was a ridiculous contract, but throw that out the window. That's a non-issue now that the season is starting. It comes down to this, will he or will he not help this team win games? If he can help the team win games and plays near the level he played at last year, then his contract is just a little more luxury tax that Cuban has to eat. And I'm sure that Cuban will happily take that hit if Dampier can provide similar production to last year.

Sure, if he's a bust and the team sucks, the contract becomes an albatross. And yes, 5 years down the road it could be an albatross even if he plays well for the first 4 years or so. But, Cuban thought that it was worth a shot to overpay a center to try and win a title over the next few years.

dirk2003 · 10-26-2004, 06:00 PM

Its all good. Let us be underdogs, we have nothing to lose.

StvNash13 · 10-26-2004, 06:42 PM

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Originally posted by: Drbio
BTW...don't think for a second that if NY had signed Dampier that Stephen Ahole Smith wouldn't be gushing all over him like the second coming of Shaq.

That's so true, lol.

seal614 · 10-26-2004, 06:45 PM

and if Dampier ended up on the Knicks.....

what do you guys think they would all say about that? what would stephen a. say??

probably involve some NYC dick-riding.

- Brian

bernardos70 · 10-27-2004, 01:16 AM

Good thing I didn't call him an idiot........ although I think he is one. But my problem with him is not his idiocy. It's his annoying, assinine ways. Why must he be so loud and ghetto? Does he have to "keep it real?" He sounds like something straight from Dave Chappelle Show's "When Keepin' It Real Goes Wrong" skit.

seal614 · 10-27-2004, 12:37 PM

um yeah, stephen a. is the furthest thing from "keeping it real"

alby · 10-27-2004, 02:39 PM

stirring up controversy, creating resentment between fans of their respective teams, boosting tv ratings because of his outrageous remarks.. hes doing his job. =p