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* 2007 Pro Bowl * 2008 Pro Bowl Dallas Cowboys team records Career * Games with 300+ yards passing: 16 (previously held by Troy Aikman with 13) Season * Games with 300+ yards passing: 7 (2007) * Passing TDs: 36 (2007); previously held by Danny White with 29 * Passing yards: 4211 (2007); first Cowboys quarterback to throw for more than 4,000 yards in a season * Completions: 335 (2007); previously held by White with 334 Game * TD passes: 5 (Nov 23, 2006); tied with Aikman
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Romo's never won any "big games" - really???
*On November 19, 2006 Romo led the Cowboys past the Indianapolis Colts, the NFL's last unbeaten team. Romo completed 19 of 23 passes as the Cowboys topped the Colts 21–14. *Four days later, Romo helped the Cowboys win in a Thanksgiving Day NFL game against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers by the score of 38–10. Romo went 22-29 with 306 yards and five touchdown passes with no interceptions. *Romo began the 2007 season with four touchdown passes and an additional touchdown rush, the first of his career, defeating the New York Giants 45–35 in the Cowboys' first game of the regular season, His 345 passing yards in Week 1 led the NFL. *On November 29 against the Green Bay Packers, in a game between 10-1 teams, Romo threw four touchdown passes (bringing his season total to 33), breaking Danny White's (29) record from 1983. *On September 15, 2008 Romo once again led the Dallas Cowboys to a 41-37 win against their division rivals the Philadelphia Eagles in their second game of the 2008 season. Romo completed 21 of his 30 passes for a total of 312 yards and 3 touchdowns. *On September 21, 2008 Romo for a third time led the Dallas Cowboys to a 27–16 win against the Green Bay Packers in their third week game of the 2008 season. Romo rushed for a single yard and passed for 260 yards resulting in 1 touchdown. I know that Buffalo game wasn't "big" but it certainly was "clutch"... And how about that win over the 'Skins a few weeks ago to put us back into contention?
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You don't think EVERY win over the Giants, Eagles or Redskins is huge??? Some people just can't be pleased, I suppose...  Oh, wait - your argument was about Romo being a "choker" and I just provided several examples of him being clutch... What point are you trying to make, again?
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The reason we're not going to see eye to eye on this is that you seem to be looking at it as a black and white issue. He's either a winner or a choker. In reality the truth is somewhere in the middle. He's won big games and he's lost big games. He's a very good quarterback looking to take the next step. You aditted that you'd have labeled Eli a choker a year ago. Do you not realize what a simplisitc view it is to say that he's a choker in December but a winner in January? He's the same guy. Again, what if Romo plays well Sunday and we win? Does he become a winner?
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No, Romo is NOT in the middle when it comes to "Big Games" by my definition. He is a loser. Instead of saying he won som and loss some big games, how about calling it like it is. Romo has loss alot more Big Games than won Big Games by my definition. And he has won ZERO playoff games. He could have played about 8 playoff games by now if he won. The only simplistic view is to say if Romo wins on Sunday he becomes labeled NOT a "Choker"...... Again, look at the stats and records I posted. Can you dispute them? Nope, that is why you have not talked about that. All you want to talk about is what he MAY do in the future. I just want to talk about his present and past and how they align and tells me what we will get in the "Big Games" by my definition. Yes, I look at it in Black and White. I look at the present and look at his past stats and performance and render my verdict of "Choker". You look at it in "Grey" which is baseless, because the facts dont support it. Last edited by Silk Smoov; 12-08-2008 at 01:49 PM. |
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Fire that guy. Pacman couldn't get a good block for his life. Coverage on returns has been poor the entire season. Anybody miss this guy as much as I do? 
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Here is another interesting article: http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/ar...was-comin.html Another One: http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/ar...d-with-to.html Peter King article: Now for the subplots of the weekend: • Tony Romo gets the loss in Pittsburgh. Romo and tight end Jason Witten both said the losing interception-returned-for-a-touchdown by DeShea Townsend was their fault. Witten looked like he slipped and read the route the wrong way coming out of his break on a slippery Heinz Field. Whatever. That ball, like so many others on the day by Romo, was thrown way off course, and it was the capper on the Steelers' 17-0 run in the final eight minutes to win. There's no way Witten, had he broke right, would have been in position to catch this ball. So I put the blame on Romo. I assume it has to be part pinky, part weather, but this is only going to add to the perception Romo's not a big-game quarterback -- 19-of-36, 210 yards, one touchdown, three picks, one fumble -- though one of the picks was more Terrell Owens' laziness than a poor throw. I don't buy that perception about Romo, by the way; I'm simply making the point that if the Cowboys don't make the playoffs, the thread of two straight playoff-opening losses and this horrible interception will begin to write the book on Romo. My other point is that Romo deserves the criticism, but let's let his career breathe before we label him some sort of A-Rod in the clutch. Last edited by Silk Smoov; 12-08-2008 at 03:07 PM. |
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There are plenty of great QBs who have never won a ring and a lot of WTF QBs who HAVE won a ring, just because you do or don't have a ring doesn't make you a "Big Game" QB. I still hold the bar up at Brady and Manning, that's it...that's the list right now. Anything below that and it's a lot of inconsistency. Quote:
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Yes, you take the good with the bad with Romo, BUT why does the bad come in bundles in the games I consider as "Big Games"? Thats my point. I just dont trust Romo to do the smart thing in the crunch with the games I consider "Big Games". Lastly, I gave my definition of "Big Games" and I was not picking only certain games. I told you the winning months for Champions is December, January and the Playoffs. |
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Out of that group of 3, I'd probably take Rivers. Cutler has the arm but something about him just doesn't click right now. Rodgers isn't consistent, I've seen plenty of games from him this year where he's had gimmie WRs breaking out routes and he misses them, no pressure, just let it loose and hit your man...and he misses. Ryan is definitely impressive but we need to see more out of him. It's not like it's dramatically better with the guys and the bad bunches in the games when it matters or the months that it matters. With your time period of months, out of your list...not all of them are solid gold. All of those guys have built it in those month but just as easily have let them go in January. Favre did in his, McNabb as well, you have to go back a while on Delhomme and he did. Brees really hasn't been there but when they made their pushes, he was throwing too much and eventually had untimely picks. All Romo has to do is get it done once and the monkey can start to come off the back. He's not retiring any time soon and he's started what...roughly 2 1/2 years worth of regular season and playoff football? Really? The leash is that tight to be ready to drop the hammer on him?
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Delhomme is a hell of a QB, his problem is his injuries, but in the "Big Games" he has proven to be at his best, Case in point his SuperBowl Appearance. Yes, Cutler is just about the same as Romo, so that is why I say if Cutler was on the Cowboys I think he may do better. Favre is no question better, I wont even go there, and you should not as well Romo does alot of things that Favre does, BUT Favre is a proven winner and SuperBowl winner in the playoffs.I take Brees over Romo as well. Especially in this system and players. I take Brees in a heartbeat over Romo. |
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Where do you all get that I am saying drop the hammer on Romo? I am criticizing our current QB. The leash cant be tight, because we can get in position to replace him. He is the best QB out there that we can get. By far. I am just accepting that, BUT I am criticizing him along the way because I truly feel he is a "Mental Midget".. This all started because I said Romo is a "mental midget"..I believe that and I feel that is the reason he does NOT win the "Big Games" by my definition. |
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Here is the "Big Game" test: Lets consider "Big Games" as winning time for the NFL. December, Jan and the playoffs. This is the time to get into the playoffs, the time that teams take it to the next level to win a SuperBowl? Right?! Since we had a couple of posters to call me out on Romo: 1.Already gave my list of QB's who I would take over Romo with our current talent and the talent that Romo has had since a starter.(I may would add Eli,Warner and Hasselbeck to the list) 2. Romo is 4-7 as a starter in December and January 3. During December and Jan, Romo has thrown 14int to 11 Touchdowns, 2 fumbles 4. Romo sacked 25 times during this time as well 5. Should I post his playoff record? We all know he has won ZERO games there. (0-2) 6. Cowboys last winning record in Dec/Jan is about 12 yrs ago 7. During Romo time, he has played for the "Team to Beat" Now, I welcome the objections to what I consider as Big Games... |
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How about stop giving Romo all those excuses and call it like it is. You want to label these other QB according to there last games, but you refuse to do the same about Romo. How about label ALL of those QB's according to there playoff careers and success? Thats as fair as you can get... |
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I just don't get fans in Dallas. Yea he's 0-2. But once again did he lose these games for us? Did he not have help in the 0-2 losses? Not to mention ITS ONLY TWO GAMES. Its such a small sample. Realistically what did you expect for Romo to do his rookie year? Or his 1st two years in the league? I just think expectations are ridiculous and that's amazing to me because we're just a couple years away from 5-11 seasons. Quote:
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