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xmark4ux · 08-11-2005, 10:08 AM

The mavs we be a much better defensive team, which Avery loves DEFENSE. This could be our lineup

PG:Harris
SG:Christie
SF[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]aul pierce/Josh Howard
PF[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]irk/Josh Powell
C[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]ampier/Hunter

If the mavsdo these moves and also go after Hunter that would be the most valuable thing that Mark Cuban ever did to this team. I say they would make it all the way to the Finals and win

xmark4ux · 08-11-2005, 10:08 AM

The mavs we be a much better defensive team, which Avery loves DEFENSE. This could be our lineup

PG:Harris
SG:Christie
SF[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]aul pierce/Josh Howard
PF[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]irk/Josh Powell
C[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]ampier/Hunter

If the mavsdo these moves and also go after Hunter that would be the most valuable thing that Mark Cuban ever did to this team. I say they would make it all the way to the Finals and win

Lonely PSU Mavs Fan · 08-11-2005, 10:37 AM

That would make a better defensive team, that Avery would definitely love. But your comments were not worth making a new thread; post in an existing one next time.

Lonely PSU Mavs Fan · 08-11-2005, 10:37 AM

That would make a better defensive team, that Avery would definitely love. But your comments were not worth making a new thread; post in an existing one next time.

Joey · 08-11-2005, 10:45 AM

"The mavs we be a much better defensive team, which Avery loves DEFENSE."

Is this English?

Joey · 08-11-2005, 10:45 AM

"The mavs we be a much better defensive team, which Avery loves DEFENSE."

Is this English?

u2sarajevo · 08-11-2005, 11:09 AM

I was thinking, instead, that the Mavs should go after Shaquille and LeBron.

Then we would be AWESOME!!!!!!!!!

u2sarajevo · 08-11-2005, 11:09 AM

I was thinking, instead, that the Mavs should go after Shaquille and LeBron.

Then we would be AWESOME!!!!!!!!!

snoop · 08-11-2005, 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by: Lonely PSU Mavs Fan
That would make a better defensive team, that Avery would definitely love. But your comments were not worth making a new thread; post in an existing one next time.

worry about how the mavs are going to have good 4/5 back up. don't be trippin about who starts a theard or what its about that s why its a message board no matter how unimformative the theard is.

snoop · 08-11-2005, 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by: Lonely PSU Mavs Fan
That would make a better defensive team, that Avery would definitely love. But your comments were not worth making a new thread; post in an existing one next time.

worry about how the mavs are going to have good 4/5 back up. don't be trippin about who starts a theard or what its about that s why its a message board no matter how unimformative the theard is.

birdsanctuary · 08-11-2005, 06:56 PM

I've got to say that I really like the idea of starting Christie and brining Jho off the bench...ER NOT!

I'm not convinced that you'll get PP for Daniels, KvH, Terry and whoever else you threw in on that deal.
The Mavs are only getting PP if Devin Harris is in the mix.... and it might be worth considering.

Welcome to the boards...a friend of the mavs is a friend of mine

birdsanctuary · 08-11-2005, 06:56 PM

I've got to say that I really like the idea of starting Christie and brining Jho off the bench...ER NOT!

I'm not convinced that you'll get PP for Daniels, KvH, Terry and whoever else you threw in on that deal.
The Mavs are only getting PP if Devin Harris is in the mix.... and it might be worth considering.

Welcome to the boards...a friend of the mavs is a friend of mine

alby · 08-11-2005, 10:44 PM

Why do some think so highly of Devin Harris? Just wondering.

alby · 08-11-2005, 10:44 PM

Why do some think so highly of Devin Harris? Just wondering.

MavKikiNYC · 08-11-2005, 10:51 PM

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Originally posted by: alby
Why do some think so highly of Devin Harris? Just wondering.

Blinding speed. Cat-like quickness. Turbo-spring hops. All of which combine for some spectacular finishes, and promise the ability to defend PGs like Mavs fans haven't seen since Derek Harper.

Add to that a jumper that could turn out to be decent, and playmaking ability that is already about as good as JT's, and should get better with time.

Not so much the Devin Harris of today that people like, but the PG that he projects to be that has people interested.

MavKikiNYC · 08-11-2005, 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by: alby
Why do some think so highly of Devin Harris? Just wondering.

Blinding speed. Cat-like quickness. Turbo-spring hops. All of which combine for some spectacular finishes, and promise the ability to defend PGs like Mavs fans haven't seen since Derek Harper.

Add to that a jumper that could turn out to be decent, and playmaking ability that is already about as good as JT's, and should get better with time.

Not so much the Devin Harris of today that people like, but the PG that he projects to be that has people interested.

alby · 08-11-2005, 10:52 PM

I understand the fascination on his athletic ability, but wasnt Tony Dumas considered a superior athlete with blazing speed and great hops as well?

In the NFL, a quarterback can sit a year or two to learn the speed of the game and the complexity of the NFL game.

But in the NBA, more often than not, you see the legitimate rookies who pan out to become stars in the league have average to great 1st years. I hope I am wrong about Devin Harris, yes I believe he has the God given gifts and the potential to be a star, but potential means nothing in the NBA.

alby · 08-11-2005, 10:52 PM

I understand the fascination on his athletic ability, but wasnt Tony Dumas considered a superior athlete with blazing speed and great hops as well?

In the NFL, a quarterback can sit a year or two to learn the speed of the game and the complexity of the NFL game.

But in the NBA, more often than not, you see the legitimate rookies who pan out to become stars in the league have average to great 1st years. I hope I am wrong about Devin Harris, yes I believe he has the God given gifts and the potential to be a star, but potential means nothing in the NBA.

alby · 08-11-2005, 11:02 PM

In Devin's draft class the top 10 picks were:

1. Dwight Howard
2. Emeka Okafor
3. Ben Gordon
4. Shaun Livingston
5. Devin Harris
6. Josh Childress
7. Luol Deng
8. Rafael Araujo
9. Andre Igoudala
10. Luke Jackson

Now out of his class, only Howard, Okafor, Gordon, Deng (before his injury), and Igoudala had seasons that can be considered "stellar". 5 out of 10. All 10 possess great potential, but you dont expect all 10 to pan out to be stars, right? Only two are point guards, the hardest position to learn, the "quarterback" of a team.

alby · 08-11-2005, 11:02 PM

In Devin's draft class the top 10 picks were:

1. Dwight Howard
2. Emeka Okafor
3. Ben Gordon
4. Shaun Livingston
5. Devin Harris
6. Josh Childress
7. Luol Deng
8. Rafael Araujo
9. Andre Igoudala
10. Luke Jackson

Now out of his class, only Howard, Okafor, Gordon, Deng (before his injury), and Igoudala had seasons that can be considered "stellar". 5 out of 10. All 10 possess great potential, but you dont expect all 10 to pan out to be stars, right? Only two are point guards, the hardest position to learn, the "quarterback" of a team.

MavKikiNYC · 08-11-2005, 11:07 PM

My recollection is that Dumas looked like a very good athlete who could make spectacular plays--he had the component skills, but showed less ability to apply them to sustained production.

It's still a projection, but Harris looks like he will have the ability to perform at a high level on a consistent basis.

Fair question though.

My stated reservations about Harris have been that he does not appear to be a NATURAL playmaker. You're right that the great ones like Kidd, Magic, or Stockton seemed to have the ability to come in as rookies and ring up big assist totals. Hell, even a player like Steve Nash eventually developed that ability.

Not sure about Stockton, actually.....don't remember his rookie season right offhand. I think he actually split time with Ricky Green for a year or so. But he always seemed to be a much more natural passer than Harris showed last year.

While Terry is a nice player who can definitely contribute, I personally don't see him as the long-term answer at PG
I think I'd feel comfortable letting Harris log as much time as possible, and just see how much better he can be than Terry.

MavKikiNYC · 08-11-2005, 11:07 PM

My recollection is that Dumas looked like a very good athlete who could make spectacular plays--he had the component skills, but showed less ability to apply them to sustained production.

It's still a projection, but Harris looks like he will have the ability to perform at a high level on a consistent basis.

Fair question though.

My stated reservations about Harris have been that he does not appear to be a NATURAL playmaker. You're right that the great ones like Kidd, Magic, or Stockton seemed to have the ability to come in as rookies and ring up big assist totals. Hell, even a player like Steve Nash eventually developed that ability.

Not sure about Stockton, actually.....don't remember his rookie season right offhand. I think he actually split time with Ricky Green for a year or so. But he always seemed to be a much more natural passer than Harris showed last year.

While Terry is a nice player who can definitely contribute, I personally don't see him as the long-term answer at PG
I think I'd feel comfortable letting Harris log as much time as possible, and just see how much better he can be than Terry.

chumdawg · 08-11-2005, 11:26 PM

I don't think there's a lot of question that Harris can be better than Terry. The question is: how long can you wait?

It's a delicate balance, that's for sure.

chumdawg · 08-11-2005, 11:26 PM

I don't think there's a lot of question that Harris can be better than Terry. The question is: how long can you wait?

It's a delicate balance, that's for sure.

Dirkfanatic · 08-11-2005, 11:28 PM

whts i would do different with that line up is i would put J-Ho the SF position and put pierce in the sg position, then i would make Doug our 6th man. OH and ill also make Terry our PG.

Dirkfanatic · 08-11-2005, 11:28 PM

whts i would do different with that line up is i would put J-Ho the SF position and put pierce in the sg position, then i would make Doug our 6th man. OH and ill also make Terry our PG.

snoop · 08-12-2005, 01:24 AM

Devin Harris rookie year
YEAR TEAM G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
04-05 DAL 76 19 15.4 .429 .336 .757 .4 1.0 1.3 2.2 1.01 .25 1.08 1.80 5.7

Steve Nash rookie year
YEAR TEAM G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
96-97 PHO 65 2 10.5 .423 .418 .824 .2 .7 1.0 2.1 .31 .00 .97 1.40 3.3

Gary Payton rookie year
YEAR TEAM G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
90-91 SEA 82 82 27.4 .450 .077 .711 1.3 1.6 3.0 6.4 2.01 .18 2.20 3.00 7.2

Jason Terry rookie year
YEAR TEAM G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
99-00 ATL 81 27 23.3 .415 .293 .807 .3 1.8 2.0 4.3 1.11 .12 1.93 1.60 8.1

Sam Cassell rookie year
YEAR TEAM G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
93-94 HOU 66 6 17.0 .418 .295 .841 .4 1.7 2.0 2.9 .89 .11 1.42 2.10 6.7

point: some very goog pgs have not had stellar rookie campagins. its a very hard position. give harris time

snoop · 08-12-2005, 01:24 AM

Devin Harris rookie year
YEAR TEAM G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
04-05 DAL 76 19 15.4 .429 .336 .757 .4 1.0 1.3 2.2 1.01 .25 1.08 1.80 5.7

Steve Nash rookie year
YEAR TEAM G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
96-97 PHO 65 2 10.5 .423 .418 .824 .2 .7 1.0 2.1 .31 .00 .97 1.40 3.3

Gary Payton rookie year
YEAR TEAM G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
90-91 SEA 82 82 27.4 .450 .077 .711 1.3 1.6 3.0 6.4 2.01 .18 2.20 3.00 7.2

Jason Terry rookie year
YEAR TEAM G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
99-00 ATL 81 27 23.3 .415 .293 .807 .3 1.8 2.0 4.3 1.11 .12 1.93 1.60 8.1

Sam Cassell rookie year
YEAR TEAM G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
93-94 HOU 66 6 17.0 .418 .295 .841 .4 1.7 2.0 2.9 .89 .11 1.42 2.10 6.7

point: some very goog pgs have not had stellar rookie campagins. its a very hard position. give harris time

The Miles · 08-12-2005, 02:37 AM

Add in Ridnour, Derek Harper, Baron Davis, etc...

The similiarties between Harp and Devin's rookie years are pretty unbelievable.

And I still think Josh Childress got jobbed for that 1st team selection. He was damn good for the Hawks, any rookie that can shoot 47% for the season on a team like Atlanta with no PG or C is pretty good in my book. I just like the way he plays and he did well for my fantasy team so I am bias towards him.

The Miles · 08-12-2005, 02:37 AM

Add in Ridnour, Derek Harper, Baron Davis, etc...

The similiarties between Harp and Devin's rookie years are pretty unbelievable.

And I still think Josh Childress got jobbed for that 1st team selection. He was damn good for the Hawks, any rookie that can shoot 47% for the season on a team like Atlanta with no PG or C is pretty good in my book. I just like the way he plays and he did well for my fantasy team so I am bias towards him.

alby · 08-12-2005, 04:18 AM

I'm not saying Devin will not pan out to be a great player. But looking at the big picture of NBA point guards, the list is longer for those who don't reach their full potential.

alby · 08-12-2005, 04:18 AM

I'm not saying Devin will not pan out to be a great player. But looking at the big picture of NBA point guards, the list is longer for those who don't reach their full potential.