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cinemablend · 04-23-2008, 12:45 AM

Trade Dirk. Now.

Not because he's not great, not because he's not awesome, not because he's not the best player on the Mavs. He is, he is all of those things and more and anyone blaming Dirk in the slightest for the Mavs woes recently is a fool.

Trade Dirk because it's the only choice the Mavs have.

They will never win anything with this team, and they've traded away all the pieces they might have used to fix it. They no longer even have draft picks, to try and rebuild with youth.

Trade Dirk because he's the only piece the Mavs have and they MUST start completely over. It's just a shame they don't still have Devin Harris. Damn I'd love to see this team start fresh, building around Harris and Bass.

Trade Dirk because he's never going to win a championship here... and he deserves one.

Trade Dirk because it's the only option left.

And if you're lucky, maybe you can get someone to take all the Mavs other useless, overrated pieces along with him. Josh Howard, JET, Stack, Kidd, George and all the rest of the trash.

ghazi · 04-23-2008, 12:47 AM

I couldn't help but start cheering for whatever team Dirk was on, if he was ever to be traded.

makes me feel guilty, but fuck it... I shall follow Dirk to the gates of hell.

robo98564 · 04-23-2008, 12:53 AM

if he cannot win a title here, then i would want him to be traded... i would rather it be later in his career though so he can have the chance to work a miracle here in Dallas

As one of the hardest workers in the NBA and a seemingly great guy, i do hope he gets a title one day though, even if it has to be in another uniform

Dtownsfinest · 04-23-2008, 12:54 AM

I'd trade Dirk if I could get Lebron, Chris Paul, Kobe or Dwight Howard in return. We can't so why do it? No good would come out of a Dirk trade. The Mavs have put themselves in a hole to where they no longer have trade bait. Kidd may be an exception due to his contract but I see this team waiting it out on him just to give him a full offseason with the team. I can't help but think what the Mavs could've done had they kept Finley's contract that we're currently playing on right now. I know the Grizz definately would've taken it for Mike Miller or hell for Pau Gasol apparently. I don't see any trade bait on this team. I think Harris was the last piece we had to trade. I guess it matters how much other teams in the league overrate Josh.

Rick41 · 04-23-2008, 12:56 AM

If dirk were to be traded, i would still be a mavs fan but more of a dirk fan. Follow him wherever he goes!

Even tho ill bet my manhood he wont get traded.

MavinVA · 04-23-2008, 01:00 AM

i'd miss dirk but i'm gonna be a mavs fan forever players come and go but it would be ridiculous to trade dirk at this point get rid of stack, terry, george, everyone but dirk, josh and bass, i know people are down on josh but he has been through a lot this sesaon and i still think he will get better each year.

Evilmav2 · 04-23-2008, 01:06 AM

Bad post

rabbitproof · 04-23-2008, 01:09 AM

Foolishness.

ghazi · 04-23-2008, 01:12 AM

We really need to reserve this kind of pessimism for AFTER the postseason is over.

At this very moment in times, the Mavs still have a chance of winning the NBA championship in 2008.

weren't there a bunch of posts of this nature after Dirk went down after the Spurs game? weren't some people pondering whether it was better to MISS the playoffs than maek?

Let's not jump to conclusions yet! I wasn't on this board 3 years ago, but I'm sure there was similar pessimism after the Rockets took a 2-0 lead.

MavsFanFinley · 04-23-2008, 01:16 AM

I don't see it happening but you have to wonder how long Cuban keeps trying to put players around Dirk and watch it go nowhere. It's not his fault at all so let me make that clear but at some point they'll have to start over and it may cost them Dirk to do so.

Purple&Gold · 04-23-2008, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by MavsFanFinley

I don't see it happening but you have to wonder how long Cuban keeps trying to put players around Dirk and watch it go nowhere. It's not his fault at all so let me make that clear but at some point they'll have to start over and it may cost them Dirk to do so.

It's Cubans fault. he failed and made a desperation move for Kidd to hurt the future of the team. hes the blame alright he might be a good owner but hes slowing becoming a douche.

nashtymavsfan13 · 04-23-2008, 01:27 AM

This place just gets me even more depressed, I need to stop browsing the forums after losses it just makes things worse.

twelli · 04-23-2008, 02:37 AM

You will never get adequate value. Nobody is giving you a superstar player. And you don't want to end up like Minnesota, right? Dirk, he would be fine anywhere. We could trade him to Indiana for O'Neal or to Toronto for Bosh. They'd be very happy and probably battle with Boston for the East c'ship.

Dtownsfinest · 04-23-2008, 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by twelli

You will never get adequate value. Nobody is giving you a superstar player. And you don't want to end up like Minnesota, right? Dirk, he would be fine anywhere. We could trade him to Indiana for O'Neal or to Toronto for Bosh. They'd be very happy and probably battle with Boston for the East c'ship.

We'd never get Bosh for Dirk just off of Bosh's age alone. And if we have to lose Dirk i'm not sure i'd shed a tear by bringing in Al Jefferson. He's already one of the best power fowards in the league.

cinemablend · 04-23-2008, 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by MavinVA

it would be ridiculous to trade dirk at this point get rid of stack, terry, george, everyone but dirk, josh and bass, i know people are down on josh but he has been through a lot this sesaon and i still think he will get better each year.

That would be ideal of course, but nobody is going to want ANY of those players. If we don't want them, what makes you think anyone else would?

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 04-23-2008, 03:09 AM

Despite what we may think I do think Josh Howard has some value. He gives nearly 20 pts a game and is a solid defender. A year ago we were close to getting Kobe or Garnett for him. That won't happen now but we could probably get an AK 47, or Jermaine Oneal for him.

mavsjunkie · 04-23-2008, 03:10 AM

I would not cry if Dirk were traded, as long as we send Howard/Jet/Damp and Stack out as well. Get rid of all these bums.

Or, trade all the bums to get a star down low player (or sort of start like Jermaine O'Neal) and put 2 lights out 3 point shooters on the perimeter, 3 long defensive players.. Other than that, we won't win with Dirk and the guys we have now, or without Dirk and the guys we have now.

cinemablend · 04-23-2008, 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by twelli

You will never get adequate value. Nobody is giving you a superstar player. And you don't want to end up like Minnesota, right? Dirk, he would be fine anywhere. We could trade him to Indiana for O'Neal or to Toronto for Bosh. They'd be very happy and probably battle with Boston for the East c'ship.

What we need to do is follow New Jersey's lead... trade Dirk for someone like Bosh PLUS a couple of first round picks and maybe another usable player (like Diop).

That's how you do it.

Yes, you're not going to be able to trade Dirk 1 for 1 and get value. So don't do that.

Trade Dirk for someone like Bosh, plus some good draft picks and plus some other players. That's how you rebuild this thing.

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 04-23-2008, 04:54 AM

Bosh is from the Dallas area, that may work.

I can't picture Dirk on any other team but the Mavs. Dirk on the Raptors, strange.

Sportstudi · 04-23-2008, 05:54 AM

If we fail in the playoffs and Dirk asks to be traded afterwards (I wouldn't wonder; which player wants to have his prime age in ruin?), I'm sure he wants to be on a team which is able to win the title. Talking about the contenders, there are not so many which are

1) still able to win the title with the addition of Dirk and after giving value to get him (Phoenix could be one of his own favorite picks, but they would have to give either Amare or Nash to get Dirk and they won't do that)
2) have place for him (there are teams which don't have space like LA, their frontcourt is packed with Odom, Gasol and Bynum; I took LA just as an example)

I know, he's still here and I would be happy if he wins a title with Dallas, but which teams do you consider to be one of the favorites to get him and where he wants to be?

twelli · 04-23-2008, 07:21 AM

I doubt, Cuban will trade Dirk after this season. It's more likely that he keeps Dirk and Kidd for one more year surrounding them with a different set of players and trying a veteran coach. If that doesn't work out Dirk will still have enough value next year to get some young quality pieces for a fresh start. If Dirk goes, it will be a few years of rebuilding and... losing. Cherish him while he's here folks. Mavs fans have been fortunate these years, despite Dirk's failure to bring a 'ship to town.

Dirrrk4-3 · 04-23-2008, 07:38 AM

Keep Dirk. Get rid of Avery, trade Jet, and Bass to the Clips in a sign and trade for Elton Brand. Then look at options for J Ho. I don't know I'm just fucking pissed after last nights lack of coaching. Guarding the pick and roll the way we were doing it was not working. Make some fucking adjustments. It's the playoffs and we gave up 127 points. Avery should be fired today!!!

Mavs817 · 04-23-2008, 08:16 AM

These people seem to like Dirk: http://query-origin.andohs.net/8000A...way080422a.mp3

aexchange · 04-23-2008, 08:19 AM

can we just trade avery instead?

Dirkenstien · 04-23-2008, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Mavs817

These people seem to like Dirk: http://query-origin.andohs.net/8000A...way080422a.mp3

Haha that was awesome. Rep for you.

Mavs817 · 04-23-2008, 08:58 AM

That was actually a counter to this song: http://www.ryanparkersongs.com/2008/...in-it-all.html

Though I'm having trouble getting it to play, but it provides the lyrics.

nikeball · 04-23-2008, 09:14 AM

keep dirk. sign lebron in a couple of years after he opts out.

win championship.

live happily ever after.

fluid.forty.one · 04-23-2008, 09:26 AM

Can we trade all these lame posters?

ghazi · 04-23-2008, 04:39 PM

I would shed tears for 40 days and 40 nights if Dirk were traded.

Burn this City · 04-23-2008, 05:23 PM

I'd trade Dirk just because he deserves to play with guys better than these bums. But I'd rather just get rid of Avery and trade all the scrubs away instead.

Half the roster is off the books at the end of the season anyways. No one would ever accept Damp or JET's contracts so we're stuck with them, but J.Ho still has some trade value and Kidd has an expiring contract which is like gold in the NBA economy.

I still don't get how we couldn't put together a better offer than the Lakers did for Gasol!!!!!!!!

dude1394 · 04-23-2008, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Burn this City

I'd trade Dirk just because he deserves to play with guys better than these bums. But I'd rather just get rid of Avery and trade all the scrubs away instead.

Half the roster is off the books at the end of the season anyways. No one would ever accept Damp or JET's contracts so we're stuck with them, but J.Ho still has some trade value and Kidd has an expiring contract which is like gold in the NBA economy.

I still don't get how we couldn't put together a better offer than the Lakers did for Gasol!!!!!!!!

me too...why wouldn't you just trade the flaming cajun ko'ach and revamp the roster around by putting young'uns around him. Especially if they were smart, I think dirk has more of a problem with dumasses (cue cajun music) than inexperience perse.

BGMaverick9 · 04-23-2008, 06:05 PM

My fan-dom would follow Dirk, he is a warrior.
I'd still like the Mavs, but definitely not as much.

Dirk is NOT the problem with this team.

purplefrog · 04-23-2008, 06:05 PM

Seven Steps to Mavs Success

Step 1: Never trade Dirk
Step 2: Fire Avery
Step 3: Hire a replacement that can best utilize Dirk's talents
Step 4: New coach figures out the personnel needed to make new system work.
Step 5: Hire new assistant coaches
Step 6: Make appropriate trades, free agent pick ups, etc.
Step 7: Celebrate new era of Mavs basketball

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 04-23-2008, 07:36 PM

BTW why was Dale Harris let go?

cinemablend · 04-23-2008, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Sportstudi

If we fail in the playoffs and Dirk asks to be traded afterwards (I wouldn't wonder; which player wants to have his prime age in ruin?), I'm sure he wants to be on a team which is able to win the title. Talking about the contenders, there are not so many which are

1) still able to win the title with the addition of Dirk and after giving value to get him (Phoenix could be one of his own favorite picks, but they would have to give either Amare or Nash to get Dirk and they won't do that)
2) have place for him (there are teams which don't have space like LA, their frontcourt is packed with Odom, Gasol and Bynum; I took LA just as an example)

I know, he's still here and I would be happy if he wins a title with Dallas, but which teams do you consider to be one of the favorites to get him and where he wants to be?

What about Dirk to Phoenix for Barbosa... some good draft picks, and a couple of other usable players?? Maybe Barbsoa, Diaw, and some first round picks? Don't know if that could be worked out, but Phoenix is going to be as desperate as Dallas to make some big changes after their impending first round exit.

And Leandro Barbosa is a really good player, and he can play Point or off guard. He's underutilized on the Suns. He's not a Dirk calibre player, but if you're really rebuilding what you really want is good draft picks anyway. At this point Dallas needs to be trying to draft the next Dirk.

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 04-23-2008, 07:50 PM

Dirk for a non-starter and Phoenix's non-lottery draft picks? Worst trade idea ever.

cinemablend · 04-23-2008, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirrrk4-3

Keep Dirk. Get rid of Avery, trade Jet, and Bass to the Clips in a sign and trade for Elton Brand. Then look at options for J Ho. I don't know I'm just fucking pissed after last nights lack of coaching. Guarding the pick and roll the way we were doing it was not working. Make some fucking adjustments. It's the playoffs and we gave up 127 points. Avery should be fired today!!!

The Clippers are never going to do that.

That's the problem. Obviously we would like to keep Dirk and unload everyone else to get the right pieces, but NO OTHER TEAM IS GOING TO WANT TO DO THAT.

Why in the world would the Clippers trade ELTON BRAND for a broken down, over paid, under sized shooting guard and a young player who may or may not develop into anything?

They'd have to be insane.

That's why the only option is to trade Dirk.

cinemablend · 04-23-2008, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs

Dirk for a non-starter and Phoenix's non-lottery draft picks? Worst trade idea ever.

Barbosa is a starting quality player though. So is Diaw.

I'm not saying that trade, I'm just saying there are things you can trade Dirk for besides trying to trade him 1 - 1 value.

birdsanctuary · 04-23-2008, 07:58 PM

Yeah, trade him to a team like the Celtics so they can win 4 championships in a row...

I'd love to buy a Nowitzki Celtics jersey...

OR

We could rebuild around Nowitzki and Kidd with young athletic talent? It's just a thought?

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 04-23-2008, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by birdsanctuary

We could rebuild around Nowitzki and Kidd with young athletic talent? It's just a thought?

Sounds easy enough, but how? We gave NJ our #1 for the 2008 and 2010 NBA Draft, we have few tradeable pieces. JH can probably land us someone decent. Kidd would be a great expiring contract but Cuban isn't going to do that because it would be admiting he made a huge mistake in trading his pg for the next 10 years. We're pretty much stuck with Stack and JET. For the most part this is our team as is, our future was mortgaged too much to get Kidd.