PG Rockets@Mavs: 9-0 and counting...

[Spurred1]

Originally Posted by mac222b

Carlisle's defends the decision to yank Collison by saying he got blown by 2 straight possessions and then Mike James comes in and immediately gets blown by twice!! and Carlisle is practically gushing about him after the game? Its just flat out weird at times.

Anyone else notice Collison throwing his hands up in frustration as he went to the bench?
I dont blame him. This is the second scrap heap vet to come in and potentially usurp his role. Carlisle obviously has "his guys" and if you aren't one of them you simply can't do anything well enough. Not saying Rick needs to goo all Zen Master and let them play through everything(god knows he loves to use his timeouts)but maybe at least tailor your coaching to the individual somewhat. Some guys need to be screamed at at halftime, some need to be built up.

Bottom line, at least some of these young guys need to be developed. For the good of the franchise. Look at San Antonio. They kept the core but were able to develop Neal, Green, Splitter, Leonard. Especially with this new CBA teams need young talent on cheap contracts to contribute. Or even just as trade assets. Not necessarily at the expense of wins, but then the two needn't be mutually exclusive.

Splitter has been with the Spurs for 2-3 years now. He had a ton of experience playing overseas, yet was terrible for most of the time with the Spurs. Only in this season is he finally getting consistent.
Green and Neal they are developing. Green has been pretty good for the Spurs,esp.
Leonard was good in college, that's why the Spurs gave up Hill to get him. They knew he had potential.
Do the young guys on the Mavs have the potential to be good? Simply playing them because they're young doesn't automatically mean they'll improve. Seems like a lot of it is mental and smarts. Do DC and Roddy have the smarts?

[DirkFTW]

Originally Posted by sefant77

Thats why Harden probably keeps the beard, he can fake so much contact when a arm or jersey slightly touches his beard...

Dude... imagine the possibilities.

[Bayliss]

Darren Collson does not know how to run the offense, especially in closing out games. And I would love someone to do a study on his offense. I bet if you exclude the one man fast breaks that he does during a game, how much offense does he generate for the team? And not every offense is created equal. Just like not every point or assists, rebound, etc. How you get them matters. And Darren Collison RARELY gets others involved in the offense in the half court. And if a PG cannot call a play, have enough patience to run the play, not commit turnovers during that play, and finally excecute the play... then he has no business being the PG. And Collison does NONE of that in the last 6 minutes of a game.

Mike James isn't great. But he runs the offense. Doesn't commit stupid turnovers and generally speaking gets the Mavs a good shot in the set. Collison is 25 years old, played 4 years of college and is in his 4th year in the league. If he can't figure out how to run the offense by now.... he is a lost cause. And Roddy is in the same boat, although Roddy has the excuse of not playing in one of the most prestigious programs in the country for 4 years and also being hurt for half his NBA time.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by sike

What?! Rick likes veteran players in crunch time over unproven talent??? Color me shocked.

*Thanks for the quote, BG.

Not exactly, he likes tough play in crunch time, not someone who is afraid to mix it up.

[Bayliss]

I was thinking more a long the lines of:

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by Spurred1

Splitter has been with the Spurs for 2-3 years now. He had a ton of experience playing overseas, yet was terrible for most of the time with the Spurs. Only in this season is he finally getting consistent.
Green and Neal they are developing. Green has been pretty good for the Spurs,esp.
Leonard was good in college, that's why the Spurs gave up Hill to get him. They knew he had potential.
Do the young guys on the Mavs have the potential to be good? Simply playing them because they're young doesn't automatically mean they'll improve. Seems like a lot of it is mental and smarts. Do DC and Roddy have the smarts?

Idk how much potential the young Mavs have to be good. Id say its a case by case basis. MBT should place a higher emphasis on scouting/player development IMHO. Maybe its simply a case of losing too many guys- Barea, Bass, Chandler- with nothing much to show for it. I mean how many young talents HAS this team identified/developed over the last decade? JJB, to me, is an instructive example. He had (some would say) the almost irrational trust of RC. That trust paid off big-time(!)

Idk if DC and Roddy have the smarts. Didn't JJ have a tough time getting Dirk the ball? It drove people around here near mad at times. Didn't JJ have defensive liabilities?

I know that this is a transitional year and that not all of Crowder(who has been handled well with a somewhat defined role and regular minutes)Sarge, Cunningham, Wright, Roddy and Collison can get minutes. Im objecting to the young guys getting jerked around. Fischer comes in and starts over DC and Roddy w/out playing a minute with the team? And then leaves soon after? Collisson, who has been playing really well, gets pulled with 4minutes to go last night for that renowned defensive stopper Mike James?! It just looks a little clownish and mismanaged from the outside looking in. You can't claim that its a merit based system and not hold every player to the same standard. Just rings hollow. You don't gain the respect of your guys that way.

And i know that the Spurs have a totally different set of guys and a different situation going. I just thought that was a convenient comparison. Pop/Buford do a great job identifying guys to fit their system and then in developing them. I seriously doubt that POp is any less demanding and exacting then RC.
I think it comes down to Pop having better player management skills and a better sense of the larger picture.

[dude1394]

Jj had defensive deficiencies but he would stick his nose in there. IMO carlisles a lot more old school than his persona implies. You have to play tough to play for Carlisle,unless you have a very specific talent. Peja/jet come to mind.

[adonis]

Barea took a charge against LeBron James in the Finals. Nuff said.

[Five-ofan]

Originally Posted by dude1394

Jj had defensive deficiencies but he would stick his nose in there. IMO carlisles a lot more old school than his persona implies. You have to play tough to play for Carlisle,unless you have a very specific talent. Peja/jet come to mind.

Thats code, for he's stupid when it comes to rotations