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DevinHarriswillstart · 06-18-2018, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Draftexpress is the most consistently accurate mock over the last fifteen years both in terms of getting draft positions right and when wrong, within the fewest slots.

This is what they have for their final mock:
Ayton
Doncic
Bamba
Jackson
Bagley

They think Bagley falls to us? Really?

BPo001 · 06-18-2018, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Draftexpress is the most consistently accurate mock over the last fifteen years both in terms of getting draft positions right and when wrong, within the fewest slots.

This is what they have for their final mock:
Ayton
Doncic
Bamba
Jackson
Bagley

I'd think the Grizz would take Bagley over JJJ, but I'll gladely take Bagley if they don't. Thursday can't come soon enough.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-18-2018, 11:54 AM

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Michael Porter Jr. to Sacramento at No. 2? There are rival teams who believe that the Kings are still strongly weighing it ...

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EricaLubarsky · 06-18-2018, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

@TheSteinLine
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Michael Porter Jr. to Sacramento at No. 2? There are rival teams who believe that the Kings are still strongly weighing it ...

59 replies 192 retweets 538 likes

Kings trying to see what they can milk from Chicago. They don't want them to sit back confident he drops to 7.

Skywalker · 06-18-2018, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

@TheSteinLine
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Michael Porter Jr. to Sacramento at No. 2? There are rival teams who believe that the Kings are still strongly weighing it ...

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Sounds like something the Kings would do, tbh.

Bryan_Wilson · 06-18-2018, 12:52 PM

I still think on draft night we will end up with whoever is left between J3 and Bamba. I suppose there is a chance MPJ gets picked in which case I think in all liklihood the only thing that changes is we have our choice of J3 or Bamba.

spreedom · 06-18-2018, 12:55 PM

I honestly just don't want Bamba or MPJ, but anyone else out of the 4-5 guys that could be available to us in that range (Doncic, JJJ, Bagley, Carter Jr) are all A-OK with me!

Edit: And I'd love if we could trade our 2019 pick (might need to be unprotected/very lightly protected) for 9 or 10 to take Mikal Bridges... I think there's a good chance he ends up having one of the 5 or 6 best careers in this draft class. He has rich man's Shane Battier written all over him. Exactly what we thought/hoped Jae Crowder would develop into.

tap2390 · 06-18-2018, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by spreedom

I honestly just don't want Bamba or MPJ, but anyone else out of the 4-5 guys that could be available to us in that range (Doncic, JJJ, Bagley, Carter Jr) are all A-OK with me!

Edit: And I'd love if we could trade our 2019 pick (might need to be unprotected/very lightly protected) for 9 or 10 to take Mikal Bridges... I think there's a good chance he ends up having one of the 5 or 6 best careers in this draft class. He has rich man's Shane Battier written all over him. Exactly what we thought/hoped Jae Crowder would develop into.

Not completely opposed to this idea, but would prefer someone with a higher ceiling like Zhaire Smith instead.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-18-2018, 01:34 PM

From a pure marketing standpoint Bamba would be huge both literally and figuratively. The shaq personality and record wingspan would be lots of fun for casual fans, new fans, and especially kids. Gotta put people in the seats as much as anything. If the draft goes conservatively, then I think he will be the pick.

But man, 3 days before and still no clue who goes after Ayton. We have discussed these guys to the point of nausea, and I'll be glad when we can just focus on our guy.

SMC0007 · 06-18-2018, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

From a pure marketing standpoint Bamba would be huge both literally and figuratively. The shaq personality and record wingspan would be lots of fun for casual fans, new fans, and especially kids. Gotta put people in the seats as much as anything. If the draft goes conservatively, then I think he will be the pick.

But man, 3 days before and still no clue who goes after Ayton. We have discussed these guys to the point of nausea, and I'll be glad when we can just focus on our guy.

This guy will do the opposite of put people in their seats. And, Maybe this will help break up the monotony of all the draft talk for a few mins at least.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEFDHtia0O4

purplefrog · 06-18-2018, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Draftexpress is the most consistently accurate mock over the last fifteen years both in terms of getting draft positions right and when wrong, within the fewest slots.

This is what they have for their final mock:
Ayton
Doncic
Bamba
Jackson
Bagley

I wonder if this scenario is why there is talk in Mavsland about Carter Jr. I am not sure Bagley is good fit with RC.

EricaLubarsky · 06-18-2018, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by purplefrog

I wonder if this scenario is why there is talk in Mavsland about Carter Jr. I am not sure Bagley is good fit with RC.

Bagley is a hell of a player that you shouldn't pass on. Scoring, rebounding, and motor are all sky high.

Dude's floor is Griffin

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-18-2018, 02:40 PM

Shai Gilgeous-Alexander is this year's De'Arron Fox except that he can shoot threes.

mac222b · 06-18-2018, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Bagley is a hell of a player that you shouldn't pass on. Scoring, rebounding, and motor are all sky high.

Dude's floor is Griffin

I'm not a huge Bagley fan (or Blake Griffin fan for that matter!). I can see the comp though. But I think Blake was always way stronger, more explosive, better ballhandler and is a great passer. Bagley can probably improve those things but to what extent. They both have short reaches and defensive limitations despite physical gifts. Griffin is pretty dang skilled. I think Bagley is more of a junkyard dog type and i'm not sure how that translates. Matrix without the defense but better shooter and handles? He has some of the same springy-ness.

Do agree with you about his motor. I think it'll come down to how coachable he is deemed. Have to play D in this day and age.

mac222b · 06-18-2018, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Shai Gilgeous-Alexander is this year's De'Arron Fox except that he can shoot threes.

Yeah I like that dude. Wonder if he is a surprise in the top-10? Been saying this ad nauseam, but this is a hell of a rich draft. Jealous of teams with multiple picks. Wish we had a more progressive leadership team that could've foreseen the need for picks in the current league landscape.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-18-2018, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

Yeah I like that dude. Wonder if he is a surprise in the top-10? Been saying this ad nauseam, but this is a hell of a rich draft. Jealous of teams with multiple picks. Wish we had a more progressive leadership team that could've foreseen the need for picks in the current league landscape.

No kidding. Guys like Alexander, Knox, Smith...could all be high first rounders in most drafts. That's why teams aren't just going to give up a pick for peanuts.

mac222b · 06-18-2018, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

No kidding. Guys like Alexander, Knox, Smith...could all be high first rounders in most drafts. That's why teams aren't just going to give up a pick for peanuts.

I think if there is even a remote chance at Memphis pick we need to take back Parsons, Mclemore, and send Barnes or Wes, whichever they prefer, with a 2019 pick protected accordingly. Take MPJ or Donic, whoever is left at 4 and Bamba or JJJ at 5. Or trade down to 7 for WCJ if the opportunity arises and grab #22 to take another wing like Khyri Thomas or Divencenzo.

I know its not gonna happen. Pipe dream of the day

SMC0007 · 06-18-2018, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

I think if there is even a remote chance at Memphis pick we need to take back Parsons, Mclemore, and send Barnes or Wes, whichever they prefer, with a 2019 pick protected accordingly. Take MPJ or Donic, whoever is left at 4 and Bamba or JJJ at 5. Or trade down to 7 for WCJ if the opportunity arises and grab #22 to take another wing like Khyri Thomas or Divencenzo.

I know its not gonna happen. Pipe dream of the day

Memphis should be interested in this if it were Barnes. I'm surprised there hasn't been more leaks or rumors of talks about it.

mac222b · 06-18-2018, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Memphis should be interested in this if it were Barnes. I'm surprised there hasn't been more leaks or rumors of talks about it.

Depends on what they think of Barnes. And also what MBT think of the guys left at 4 and 5. Maybe the player they'd do that deal for is gone and theyd rather keep Barnes and cap space for FA or better trade. There is a definite opportunity cost to doing a deal like that. The virtue is having 3 young guy on cheap contracts under team control. Opens so many avenues that signing second tier FA guys doesn't.

Underdog · 06-18-2018, 04:19 PM

@MavsHighlights: Reached out to 21 members of Mavs Media & asked them anonymously who they thought the Mavs would get on Thursday if they stay at #5
out of 19 responses, their answers broke down like this:

12 said Mo Bamba (63.1%)
6 said JJJ (31.5%)
1 said MPJ (5.2%)

thanks to our participants

BPo001 · 06-18-2018, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

@MavsHighlights: Reached out to 21 members of Mavs Media & asked them anonymously who they thought the Mavs would get on Thursday if they stay at #5
out of 19 responses, their answers broke down like this:

12 said Mo Bamba (63.1%)
6 said JJJ (31.5%)
1 said MPJ (5.2%)

thanks to our participants

I think they go MPJ if he's available. Final answer.

EricaLubarsky · 06-18-2018, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BPo001

I think they go MPJ if he's available. Final answer.

Ewwwww

(But also totally believable)

Now let’s pull a Dirk and draft that train wreck and trade him for someone good

Scoobay · 06-18-2018, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Memphis should be interested in this if it were Barnes. I'm surprised there hasn't been more leaks or rumors of talks about it.

I think the one scenario for this that comes to mind is if Sac or Atl take Bagley.
Bagley seems like the one guy that would really fit them well with Gasol already in the mix,especially if they're not sold on doncic or MPJ.

So maybe Memphis waits to see what happens - if Bagley is gone, they pull the trigger on #4 and Parsons for Barnes/whatever...

I don't see the Grizz taking anyone else that high - Bamba and JJJ are too much projects, trae is no good for them with Conley, and other guys are not worth #4.

EricaLubarsky · 06-18-2018, 06:17 PM

72 hours

Underdog · 06-18-2018, 06:36 PM

@Mavs_FFL: Woj makes it seem like Luka is our guy. #MFFL https://twitter.com/Mavs_FFL/status/1008851184017342465

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-18-2018, 06:54 PM

Mavs want Doncic according to Woj...

https://twitter.com/r0bato/status/10...244506112?s=21

rimrocker · 06-18-2018, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Scoobay

I think the one scenario for this that comes to mind is if Sac or Atl take Bagley.
Bagley seems like the one guy that would really fit them well with Gasol already in the mix,especially if they're not sold on doncic or MPJ.

So maybe Memphis waits to see what happens - if Bagley is gone, they pull the trigger on #4 and Parsons for Barnes/whatever...

I don't see the Grizz taking anyone else that high - Bamba and JJJ are too much projects, trae is no good for them with Conley, and other guys are not worth #4.

I get the feeling our FO considers Barnes untouchable.

rimrocker · 06-18-2018, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Mavs want Doncic according to Woj...

https://twitter.com/r0bato/status/10...244506112?s=21

Not surprising....Doncic seems like he'd be a Carlisle dream.

SMC0007 · 06-18-2018, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

@Mavs_FFL: Woj makes it seem like Luka is our guy. #MFFL https://twitter.com/Mavs_FFL/status/1008851184017342465

So basically fo wants anyone but him.

Underdog · 06-18-2018, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

So basically fo wants anyone but him.

Sounds like we might be willing to trade up to get him... So, yeah.

EricaLubarsky · 06-18-2018, 07:11 PM

So either...

1) We have been shopping for Doncic. A team that we've been on the phone with leaked this to Woj

or

2a) We leaked this because we have someone else in mind (although it seems illogical because Doncic is slated to be a top 2-5 talent regardless of our leak.

2b) We're incompetent and it got out

EricaLubarsky · 06-18-2018, 07:14 PM

Also, are we sure Cuban didn't make this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEELgB_fnd8

Me.B · 06-18-2018, 07:16 PM

Personally I’d prefer they stay at 5. Maybe this will entice the FO to give in and add Barnes to that deal with Memphis and get the 4th pick. Take Luka at 4 and Bamba at 5.

SMC0007 · 06-18-2018, 07:16 PM

That panel goes on to say that Sacramento takes Luka and we take Bamba. Not much of a surprise.

Bryan_Wilson · 06-18-2018, 07:32 PM

You won't find many bigger fans of taking Doncic than me. But I'm not trading up for him. If he's there he's there but the price to move up is probably way too high when we are guaranteed a good player if we just sit there.

SMC0007 · 06-18-2018, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

You won't find many bigger fans of taking Doncic than me. But I'm not trading up for him. If he's there he's there but the price to move up is probably way too high when we are guaranteed a good player if we just sit there.

Yea. What could Sac be interested in from us?

hayth.james.g · 06-18-2018, 08:54 PM

I honestly think the cost to move up 3 spots might not be that high this year. As others have said, this is a 5-6 man draft depending on what the consensus on MPJs health is. Are they really losing out by going back 3 spots? Just depends on need and rank on talent.

Plus if they are certain we are picking someone they would prefer off the board, it only helps.

mac222b · 06-18-2018, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Yea. What could Sac be interested in from us?

Our 1st next year, theirs is only top 1 protected otherwise go to Celts. F’ing Ainge man

mac222b · 06-18-2018, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by hayth.james.g

I honestly think the cost to move up 3 spots might not be that high this year. As others have said, this is a 5-6 man draft depending on what the consensus on MPJs health is. Are they really losing out by going back 3 spots? Just depends on need and rank on talent.

Plus if they are certain we are picking someone they would prefer off the board, it only helps.

I think at the very we least we’d have to give up our 1st next season moderately protected. Say, top-5. They have the leverage. If you’re calling to move up, it means you’re in love

Bryan_Wilson · 06-18-2018, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

I think at the very we least we’d have to give up our 1st next season moderately protected. Say, top-5. They have the leverage. If you’re calling to move up, it means you’re in love

My thoughts as well.