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DavidDaMonkey · 11-19-2013, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Kante

Matching up with them, putting Dirk on Hawes, Marion on Young. But Dalembert played great when he was out there like i said, not a good move.

What was most interesting was that once Daly started in the 2nd half, Hawes tended to stick to the paint much more rather than hang out on the perimeter (which was the basis for the lineup change). I'm not sure why the Sixers elected to do that, but it worked out in our favor.

LonghornDub · 11-19-2013, 01:12 PM

Yeah, let's go ahead and keep Dalembert as the starting center moving forward, Rick.

Kante · 11-19-2013, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirk's Knee

How could you possibly tell as last night he saw his season low minutes played by more than half (7 vs previous low of 18, Crowder played 20). Second to lowest of the squad (he and James played 7 and Mekel 6). His performance to date doesn't warrant such limited minutes. Thankfully Dalembert had a good rebounding game, but Hawes still really dominated him from a game impact perspective. Blair's energy and hustle was exactly what was missing in much of the first half last night.

But he was bad in those minutes, not rebounding and i was missing his energy but that happens!

Kante · 11-19-2013, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DavidDaMonkey

What was most interesting was that once Daly started in the 2nd half, Hawes tended to stick to the paint much more rather than hang out on the perimeter (which was the basis for the lineup change). I'm not sure why the Sixers elected to do that, but it worked out in our favor.

Yeah, pretty odd. But even when Hawes was on the perimeter, Dalembert did a good job and looked pretty quick.

EricaLubarsky · 11-19-2013, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Dalembert still has pretty good mobility so I don't really get the move. But, it is early in the season against a mediocre-bad team. Rick can afford to experiment in these circumstances. And Daly grabbed 14 rebounds so maybe he should be benched more often.

It's just an interesting move and it made me wonder. We did play a LOT of rookie/sophomore guys as if Carlisle had a theme night.

Crowder 20min including the starting 7min
Mekel 6min
Larkin 9min
James 6min

It was probably too early in the season to have such a tight rotation like we had in the first 10 games, but every time the new guys hit the floor, the spacing and flow really went down the toilet. We ended up eeking out a win, but I wonder if Carlisle could have introduced the young guys more subtly. We also have two more guys to add back into the fray with Harris and Wright getting healthy over the next 4 weeks.

Larkin looked confident and incredibly quick, but was about as frazzled and ineffective as Mekel was in his first game. If he can keep his confidence and speed while learning to make more of an impact, I like him. He's a nice poor-man's Ellis while Mekel is a poor-man's Calderon/Kidd.

James hustles, but he's a bit too small and rough. A couple of times he battled for the board well, but didn't block out or call out the rebound and we didn't end up securing the board. The effort level is off the charts, but the fundamentals are a bit weak.

grndmstr_c · 11-19-2013, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

It's just an interesting move and it made me wonder. We did play a LOT of rookie/sophomore guys as if Carlisle had a theme night.

Crowder 20min including the starting 7min
Mekel 6min
Larkin 9min
James 6min

It was probably too early in the season to have such a tight rotation like we had in the first 10 games, but every time the new guys hit the floor, the spacing and flow really went down the toilet. We ended up eeking out a win, but I wonder if Carlisle could have introduced the young guys more subtly. We also have two more guys to add back into the fray with Harris and Wright getting healthy over the next 4 weeks.

Larkin looked confident and incredibly quick, but was about as frazzled and ineffective as Mekel was in his first game. If he can keep his confidence and speed while learning to make more of an impact, I like him. He's a nice poor-man's Ellis while Mekel is a poor-man's Calderon/Kidd.

James hustles, but he's a bit too small and rough. A couple of times he battled for the board well, but didn't block out or call out the rebound and we didn't end up securing the board. The effort level is off the charts, but the fundamentals are a bit weak.

I suspect he started out wanting to give Jae and Shane an opportunity, and then the way the game unfolded forced his hand, particularly with Sarge (come back Brandan!). The two rooks only combined for 15 minutes at the backup point guard spot, which isn't excessive at all given they're the only options there outside of Monta, who logged almost 40 minutes as it was. If you can't give those guys minutes in a home game against the 4th seed in the East, when can you give them minutes?

Kante · 11-19-2013, 02:25 PM

Larkin will get Mekel's minutes within a week or two most likely. I did not liked the frame where both were on the floor together.

Getting Wright back will be huge, especially for Ellis.

Dirk's Knee · 11-19-2013, 02:34 PM

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You're basically saying to ignore Dalembert's 14 boards (in 28 minutes) while knocking the effort and hustle that allowed him to bring down those 14 boards in the first place... The fact that he even TOUCHED those other potential rebounds is a gigantic improvement over someone like Kaman, who would just stand there and watch the ball fall into another player's hands.

If your benchmark of a good center is being better than Chris Kaman than your expectations are set unbelievably low. Blair has outrebounded dalembert on average. It wasn't hustle that got him many if not most of those boards, he was uncontested many possessions as the 76er's didn't have a rebounder down low due to Hawe's positioning for midrange jumpers. Philly scored 54 points in the paint last night tieing our season high to date against the Thunder. In fact, go look at opponents points in the paint for the season to date while Dalembert is on the court.

Dirk's Knee · 11-19-2013, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

I suspect he started out wanting to give Jae and Shane an opportunity, and then the way the game unfolded forced his hand, particularly with Sarge (come back Brandan!). The two rooks only combined for 15 minutes at the backup point guard spot, which isn't excessive at all given they're the only options there outside of Monta, who logged almost 40 minutes as it was. If you can't give those guys minutes in a home game against the 4th seed in the East, when can you give them minutes?

Actually Larkin and Mekel shared the floor with Larkin at the 2 for a few of those minutes. Larkin's minutes were all at PG. Looking like Harris maybe available by month's end.

LonghornDub · 11-19-2013, 02:44 PM

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Monta Ellis is leading the league in total drives to the basket, with 121. He scores 7.6 points per game off of drives.

Melonhead · 11-19-2013, 02:50 PM

Teams are really going to start cutting off that drive for Ellis at some point in the season. Guys on the perimeter have to be ready to hit shots, and handle his passes.

And for Ellis, keep playing smart and taking high percentage shots. A couple of games have scared me when he feels like he has to do it all (pun intended). But I am ecstatic about this guy on the Mavs

DevinHarriswillstart · 11-19-2013, 02:51 PM

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FYI:

Pretty awesome. Only Lin and Lawson have also cracked 100 so far.

http://stats.nba.com/playerTrackingD...rowsPerPage=25

grndmstr_c · 11-19-2013, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirk's Knee

Actually Larkin and Mekel shared the floor with Larkin at the 2 for a few of those minutes. Larkin's minutes were all at PG. Looking like Harris maybe available by month's end.

About 3 minutes, but my point still stands. 15 minutes combined for the only two true guards coming off the bench isn't particularly high, nor were the minutes allotted to the starters particularly low.

EricaLubarsky · 11-19-2013, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

About 3 minutes, but my point still stands. 15 minutes combined for the only two true guards coming off the bench isn't particularly high, nor were the minutes allotted to the starters particularly low.

I don't think the 15minutes was the issue as much as the lineups that they had. It's fine to give a guy 2minutes with a regular lineup, but when you are tinkering with other players at the same time that haven't learned to play together/space the floor or when you play two PGs at the same time, it just creates havoc. I'm all for letting them play, but just give them some of Calderon's minutes while the game is flowing instead of throwing both of them in with a new lineup.

Kante · 11-19-2013, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirk's Knee

If your benchmark of a good center is being better than Chris Kaman than your expectations are set unbelievably low. Blair has outrebounded dalembert on average. It wasn't hustle that got him many if not most of those boards, he was uncontested many possessions as the 76er's didn't have a rebounder down low due to Hawe's positioning for midrange jumpers. Philly scored 54 points in the paint last night tieing our season high to date against the Thunder. In fact, go look at opponents points in the paint for the season to date while Dalembert is on the court.

Point is, Dalembert was a (big) part of the win yesterday, easy as that. I get your Blair love but he wasn't playing well yesterday, even in his limited minutes. Dalembert was getting rebounds, Blair was just looking at the balls.

grndmstr_c · 11-19-2013, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

I don't think the 15minutes was the issue as much as the lineups that they had. It's fine to give a guy 2minutes with a regular lineup, but when you are tinkering with other players at the same time that haven't learned to play together/space the floor or when you play two PGs at the same time, it just creates havoc. I'm all for letting them play, but just give them some of Calderon's minutes while the game is flowing instead of throwing both of them in with a new lineup.

Two point guards at a time rarely causes problems the same way that no point guard or no center does. It also gave Rick a way of getting Shane out there without automatically demoting Mekel, who's been earning his keep in games, green as he is. And it certainly ranks way down there on the list of reasons that Dallas found themselves trailing going into halftime. Just don't see the cause for consternation.

BPo001 · 11-19-2013, 08:27 PM

Anyone have a clip of Vince Carter's attempted dunk from near the free throw line? I heard he missed it, but was hoping to watch it anyways.

Dirk's Knee · 11-20-2013, 10:41 AM

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Anyone have a clip of Vince Carter's attempted dunk from near the free throw line? I heard he missed it, but was hoping to watch it anyways.

It really wasn't close. He realized he was going to be short and tried to modify to a finger roll and drew a foul.

DavidDaMonkey · 11-20-2013, 03:03 PM

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It really wasn't close. He realized he was going to be short and tried to modify to a finger roll and drew a foul.

True, but oh how he wanted it. You could tell when he took off that he really wanted to slam that home. It was a sad moment to watch as he came to the mid-air realization that he had to give up and go for the finger roll.

CanadianMavsFan · 11-20-2013, 03:18 PM

I'd really like to see Brandan Wright return soon. Hopefully Rick showcases what he can do for most of December. He could be a very valuable trade piece along with our plethora of talented guards. Houston, for example, needs a starting PF and if Wright could put up some impressive numbers early I would jump at the opportunity for an Asik for Wright+guard swap.

sike · 11-20-2013, 03:59 PM

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I would jump at the opportunity for an Asik for Wright+guard swap.

As would the Mavs. But I'm thinking Asik could bring back more than that.

CanadianMavsFan · 11-20-2013, 05:12 PM

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As would the Mavs. But I'm thinking Asik could bring back more than that.

Agreed, a first round pick may suffice. Dirk has had the most success with two starting quality centers (Diop and Dampier, Chandler and Haywood). Asik and Dalembert would be a nice two headed monster to stick beside him, and would give this team some much needed size and rebounding.

Dirk's Knee · 11-20-2013, 05:32 PM

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Agreed, a first round pick may suffice. Dirk has had the most success with two starting quality centers (Diop and Dampier, Chandler and Haywood). Asik and Dalembert would be a nice two headed monster to stick beside him, and would give this team some much needed size and rebounding.

Houston wants an unprotected 1st rounder and we do not have one to offer as its promised to OKC. Forget about Asik, he ain't coming.