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Five-ofan · 03-08-2015, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Also about 1,000,000 times easier to work in a big than a guard.

Especially sheed. Incredibly high iq, great defender and ridiculously versatile

Underdog · 03-08-2015, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by mavsfan1000

Just saying not all midseason trades take awhile to adjust. But as usual, I get a hostile response from you.

You're the one who invoked Rasheed Wallace when Kante pointed out that midseason trades tend to hurt an individual season - all I did was make the distinction that an outlier is not a rule... No need to start "playing the victim" just because somebody disagrees with you.

Underdog · 03-08-2015, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Also about 1,000,000 times easier to work in a big than a guard.

Especially point guard, which is the hardest position in basketball to acclimate to a new system.

mavsfan1000 · 03-08-2015, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Especially point guard, which is the hardest position in basketball to acclimate to a new system.

It depends on the type of point guard as well. IMO the chemistry should be there by now if it's going to work. Otherwise, we should probably make changes in the off season. Adding Marion and Chandler was key changes for making it work with Kidd.

Windmill360 · 03-08-2015, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by mavsfan1000

It depends on the type of point guard as well. IMO the chemistry should be there by now if it's going to work. Otherwise, we should probably make changes in the off season. Adding Marion and Chandler was key changes for making it work with Kidd.

Where do you draw the line? Make major changes to the lineup every offseason? How many games do you give them before you decide "oh yea they should have chemistry by now for sure". Should a team be blown up every year if they lose in the first round?

mavsfan1000 · 03-08-2015, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Windmill360

Where do you draw the line? Make major changes to the lineup every offseason? How many games do you give them before you decide "oh yea they should have chemistry by now for sure". Should a team be blown up every year if they lose in the first round?

I think the term rebuilding will be needed soon given the age of this team. It looks to me Dirk and Ellis are declining rapidly. They look slow. All our early season magic appears gone. So yes this looks like the last year of competing. Too bad the Rondo trade hasn't fixed us.

LSMF · 03-08-2015, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by mavsfan1000

I think the term rebuilding will be needed soon given the age of this team. It looks to me Dirk and Ellis are declining rapidly. They look slow. All our early season magic appears gone. So yes this looks like the last year of competing. Too bad the Rondo trade hasn't fixed us.

I understand if you think Dirk is declining but do you seriously think Ellis is declining at 29 years old? Wow. I honestly think Monta is hurt and playing through pain.

mavsfan1000 · 03-08-2015, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by LSMF

I understand if you think Dirk is declining but do you seriously think Ellis is declining at 29 years old? Wow. I honestly think Monta is hurt and playing through pain.

Well he needs to sit down then. This injury is making him look old and slow.

Kante · 03-13-2015, 05:04 PM

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Brandan Wright was in mix to break Wilt's single-season FG% mark until trades to Boston, Phoenix minimized FGA/effectivness.

Found it interesting. It's not "him", it's the others that help him...

mavsfan1000 · 03-13-2015, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Kante

Found it interesting. It's not "him", it's the others that help him...

And he helped the others. It's called chemistry. He was awesome for us.

EricaLubarsky · 03-13-2015, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Kante

Found it interesting. It's not "him", it's the others that help him...

Don't you think we have to give a little credit to him? He was one of the most gifted offensive talents in the paint-- when not defended.

I mean, we had to get him mismatches, but not everyone could exploit them as efficiently as he could.

DevinHarriswillstart · 03-13-2015, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Don't you think we have to give a little credit to him? He was one of the most gifted offensive talents in the paint-- when not defended.

I mean, we had to get him mismatches, but not everyone could exploit them as efficiently as he could.

That's true, but unfortunately they were against crappy teams. He just wasn't as effective against good teams. If Stoudemire bolts, then I'd like to have him back. He'll be cheap unless some GM goes bananas.

In many ways, the first two months of the season hurt the Mavs because of how terrible the competition was. The team never really learned how to build true chemistry against the teams that mattered. Beating the Sixers by 50 points doesn't do your team any favors.

sefant77 · 03-13-2015, 06:17 PM

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Brandan Wright was benched for D.Blair in the last playoff series

Thought that interesting

Kante · 03-13-2015, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Don't you think we have to give a little credit to him? He was one of the most gifted offensive talents in the paint-- when not defended.

I mean, we had to get him mismatches, but not everyone could exploit them as efficiently as he could.

Important part(s). Sure it was nice to watch him but he played good against bad teams and when the Mavs faced real competition, he was a non-show.

That said, i would take him back.

twelli · 03-13-2015, 09:53 PM

Some nice plays by Rondo tonight. I like him.

jleefilled · 03-13-2015, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by twelli

Some nice plays by Rondo tonight. I like him.

Defensively, he definitely did some nice things with his work against Paul and getting his hands on some nice steals. That behind the back pass for the ellis jump shot was very vintage rondo. No one else does that. I like him, too. I hope the mavs can build something with him. Of course, I'd like to see him continue to get better with his shot.

MFFL · 03-13-2015, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by mavsfan1000

Rasheed Wallace ring a bell? A mid season trade that won the Pistons a championship.

You do realized that Wallace only shot 41% from the floor and 24% from 3 during Detroit's playoff run. He provided the Pistons an edge on defense

So you are actually saying that a midseason trade works if it improves the DEFENSE of the team. Hmmm.

dirt_dobber · 03-14-2015, 04:51 AM

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So you are actually saying that a midseason trade works if it improves the DEFENSE of the team. Hmmm.

I see what you did there - nice.

mavsfan1000 · 03-15-2015, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by MFFL

You do realized that Wallace only shot 41% from the floor and 24% from 3 during Detroit's playoff run. He provided the Pistons an edge on defense

So you are actually saying that a midseason trade works if it improves the DEFENSE of the team. Hmmm.

Probably the greatest defense I've seen from a team. Rasheed and Ben made an awesome defensive duel. Prince's length provided problems as well. The trade also allowed Okur to come off the bench for more bench scoring.

sefant77 · 03-16-2015, 09:54 PM

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Bobby Karalla @bobbykaralla · Mar 14
Only four guards in the NBA with at least 300 possessions played allow fewer PPP than Rondo (0.771).

Of the top 20 guards in PPP allowed (>300 poss), Rondo is second in FT% against. Opponents only go to the line 6.1% of the time

nice

BGMaverick9 · 03-17-2015, 02:31 AM

http://www.mavsoutsider.com/2015/03/...-actual-tests/

Twenty4sevenn · 03-17-2015, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

http://www.mavsoutsider.com/2015/03/...-actual-tests/

Good stuff, BG.

tsar · 04-02-2015, 12:48 PM

I hope Rondo stays here:
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/we...-win-over-okc/

"And yet, Rondo was right. The Mavs did seem to be joking around quite a bit. Before the game, there were lots of laughs between Rondo, Dirk Nowitzki, and Charlie Villanueva. And we got to see Nowitzki singing along to “Black Betty” when it played in the arena.

There was a game yesterday — a game in which Nowitzki scored his 28,000th point, three Thunder players scored 30-plus points, and each team had 101 points after three quarters. Go ahead and pour one out for defense, because it died last night in Oklahoma City.

Rondo was especially vocal last night. The Mavs fan in the row below me called him a “cheer captain.” After most possessions, Rondo had something to say to someone. Even on the bench, he was standing, giving directions to guys on the floor."

More in the article.

Thukydides · 04-02-2015, 12:56 PM

great stuff from grantland as always. Thanks!

Rondo has been absolutely brillant on defense and very solid on offense the last few games.. that´s very encouraging to see

Underdog · 04-02-2015, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Thukydides

Rondo has been absolutely brillant on defense and very solid on offense the last few games.. that´s very encouraging to see

A lot of what Rondo does on both ends of the floor is predicated more on the team game than individual performance... Maybe this is a sign that this squad is starting to gel?

DevinHarriswillstart · 04-02-2015, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

A lot of what Rondo does on both ends of the floor is predicated more on the team game than individual performance... Maybe this is a sign that this squad is starting to gel?

Well his last two games are finally the Rondo we've all been waiting for on both ends of the floor. I'm finally seeing some Jason Kidd in there as well.

And only 2.4 TO pg in the last 5.

EricaLubarsky · 04-02-2015, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Well his last two games are finally the Rondo we've all been waiting for on both ends of the floor. I'm finally seeing some Jason Kidd in there as well.

And only 2.4 TO pg in the last 5.

I could really care less about TOPG as a stat. I'm way more interesting in A/TO. Gotta be at least 2.2 or 2.5 to be of use. The last few games?

OKC- 10
IND - 5
SAS - 1.25
SAS -1.25
PHX - 6
MEM - 1
ORL - 1.38

Definitely some good and some bad. Mostly bad against good defenses. It will improve if he's back next year, but going into the playoffs, you gotta hope for a high octane offense without stifling defense.

DevinHarriswillstart · 04-02-2015, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

I could really care less about TOPG as a stat. I'm way more interesting in A/TO. Gotta be at least 2.2 or 2.5 to be of use. The last few games?

OKC- 10
IND - 5
SAS - 1.25
SAS -1.25
PHX - 6
MEM - 1
ORL - 1.38

Definitely some good and some bad. Mostly bad against good defenses. It will improve if he's back next year, but going into the playoffs, you gotta hope for a high octane offense without stifling defense.

I mean I like a good A/TO ratio, but not turning it over as much is still a plus.

Igor1988 · 04-03-2015, 11:10 AM

http://www.basketball-reference.com/.../lineups/2015/

mavsfan1000 · 04-03-2015, 05:20 PM

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http://www.basketball-reference.com/.../lineups/2015/

Ouch! Not good stats.

DevinHarriswillstart · 04-03-2015, 05:53 PM

^Now check the competition for both schedules.

Kante · 04-03-2015, 07:16 PM

People still arguing that the Mavs were better with Nelson... Care to post the schedules? And the injury report?

Igor1988 · 04-04-2015, 04:24 PM

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^Now check the competition for both schedules.

I know.
Honestly, Schedule doesn't even close to be excuse. I watched almost all games before, and completely all games since the trade.
I know that first two months of RS were easier, but not so much easier that to explain THIS.
Just imagine - Mavs starting combination had avg. minus 4pts(!) when they were on the court for last four months!! It is sensational numbers. They hurt.

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Originally Posted by Kante

People still arguing that the Mavs were better with Nelson... Care to post the schedules? And the injury report?

Mate, i guess you didnt understand what this table shows.

Injuries don't matter. It's all about HEALTHY starting five. Before the trade, and after the trade. Two most popular Mavs combinations of this season.

Bryan_Wilson · 04-04-2015, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Igor1988

I know.
Honestly, Schedule doesn't even close to be excuse. I watched almost all games before, and completely all games since the trade.
I know that first two months of RS were easier, but not so much easier that to explain THIS.
Just imagine - Mavs starting combination had avg. minus 4pts(!) when they were on the court for last four months!! It is sensational numbers. They hurt.

Schedule is absolutely a big reason for the inflated numbers. We scored 120 vs utah 118 vs boston 123 phi 131 minn 140 lakers just to name the obvious ones. When we played our first few challenges of the season? We scored 100 on spurs in the opener then 87 vs portland and 92 vs the rockettes. We played bad teams who did not know how to guard simple pick n rolls with our bigs flushing alleyoops and we were I believe number 1 in the NBA in points in the paint. You can throw all the stats you want but Jameer Nelson had exactly 1 game where he shot 50%+ from field against a quality playoff team and that was vs memphis, in a loss. Jameer shot around 34% from field for us. And he made Calderon look like the glove on defense.

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Originally Posted by Igor1988

Mate, i guess you didnt understand what this table shows.

Injuries don't matter. It's all about HEALTHY starting five. Before the trade, and after the trade. Two most popular Mavs combinations of this season.

It's actually you who does not understand. Before ASB Monta was 100% healthy up until that Clippers game. After that he was clearly not the same and not attacking the same way and shot 38% from field as opposed to his all star type numbers from the first half. Tyson has also not been the same as he was routinely getting 15/15 or 12/14 type numbers early and now is nowhere near that level of production. Monta and TC battling injuries skews this stat by the fact they are playing hurt. Which a lineup stat cannot factor in.

So SOS clearly gets boosted by tons of 110-140pt games vs awful teams early in the season. And another boost factored in for players playing fully healthy early and players battling injuries for the past 2+ months.

Kante · 04-04-2015, 06:18 PM

Igor moving up in the worst poster standings.

Schedule doesn't matter, injuries doesn't matter...

Igor1988 · 04-06-2015, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

Schedule is absolutely a big reason for the inflated numbers. We scored 120 vs utah 118 vs boston 123 phi 131 minn 140 lakers just to name the obvious ones. When we played our first few challenges of the season? We scored 100 on spurs in the opener then 87 vs portland and 92 vs the rockettes. We played bad teams who did not know how to guard simple pick n rolls with our bigs flushing alleyoops and we were I believe number 1 in the NBA in points in the paint. You can throw all the stats you want but Jameer Nelson had exactly 1 game where he shot 50%+ from field against a quality playoff team and that was vs memphis, in a loss. Jameer shot around 34% from field for us. And he made Calderon look like the glove on defense.

We've been playing against a lot of garbage teams since the trade too. We were worse against teams like that. We were worse against a solid teams too. If we were worse before the trade, why don't Mavs beat a garbage teams with the same confidence like they did before? Despite a little bit D improving, we have lost too much offensive efficiency with RR.

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It's actually you who does not understand. Before ASB Monta was 100% healthy up until that Clippers game. After that he was clearly not the same and not attacking the same way and shot 38% from field as opposed to his all star type numbers from the first half. Tyson has also not been the same as he was routinely getting 15/15 or 12/14 type numbers early and now is nowhere near that level of production. Monta and TC battling injuries skews this stat by the fact they are playing hurt. Which a lineup stat cannot factor in.

So SOS clearly gets boosted by tons of 110-140pt games vs awful teams early in the season. And another boost factored in for players playing fully healthy early and players battling injuries for the past 2+ months.

Oh, c'mon) do you really think those two injuries vs LAC were a turnaround moment?
TC and Monta have been struggling since the day when RR came here. Mavs play has been completely changed. Tyson as a dunk shot leader was over.
Connection between RR and TC is really awful. (RR - Monta too)

I know, now it hard to believe but I am not a Rajons hater. And i am not a stats fan. I'm fan of Mavericks. But today I see too much negative moments of Rajons play. His last game was like his first one. I see no improvment since the first his games against SAS. When Tyson and Rajon on the court both, we attack by three men only. Even very best D can't compensate it

Igor1988 · 04-06-2015, 03:57 PM

It is interesting numbers for me.
That is the only positive combinations with Rondo on the court. RR + starting line up and Aminu +11, RR + starting linup and Dirk (-5)
Seeing on this i think maybe Rick must use it. May be using Aminu and Rondo from bench would be better? For example Sixth-seventh minute of first qtr is going on, JJ and Dirk sit down. RR and Aminu replaces them. Several minutes later Harris replaces Monta as he always does. So? If you understood me what do you think guys?)

mavsfan1000 · 04-06-2015, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Igor1988

It is interesting numbers for me.
That is the only positive combinations with Rondo on the court. RR + starting line up and Aminu +11, RR + starting linup and Dirk (-5)
Seeing on this i think maybe Rick must use it. May be using Aminu and Rondo from bench would be better? For example Sixth-seventh minute of first qtr is going on, JJ and Dirk sit down. RR and Aminu replaces them. Several minutes later Harris replaces Monta as he always does. So? If you understood me what do you think guys?)

I like the idea. Time to make changes to get us out of our funk.

Vinsanity · 04-07-2015, 07:59 PM

For anyone that wants a good laugh, read this...

http://www.latinpost.com/articles/46...-mavericks.htm

Bryan_Wilson · 04-07-2015, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Igor1988

Oh, c'mon) do you really think those two injuries vs LAC were a turnaround moment?
TC and Monta have been struggling since the day when RR came here. Mavs play has been completely changed. Tyson as a dunk shot leader was over.
Connection between RR and TC is really awful. (RR - Monta too)

TC's defense and rebounding is what I was referring to with his injury. And monta wasn't shooting 30~% when RR was traded here. It was after his injury.

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Originally Posted by Igor1988

It is interesting numbers for me.
That is the only positive combinations with Rondo on the court. RR + starting line up and Aminu +11, RR + starting linup and Dirk (-5)
Seeing on this i think maybe Rick must use it. May be using Aminu and Rondo from bench would be better? For example Sixth-seventh minute of first qtr is going on, JJ and Dirk sit down. RR and Aminu replaces them. Several minutes later Harris replaces Monta as he always does. So? If you understood me what do you think guys?

Our lineup is by no means perfect but in small sample sizes any lineup can look good given situations. Do you really think a lineup with JJ and Monta as starters logging heavy mins vs guys like Harden, WB, Steph, Klay will remotely slow them down? Then under this proposed lineup change we have our best defender at the guard position come off the bench and spend half his mins guarding the starter and half his mins wasted guarding bench players? His biggest asset to us atm is he is a better defender than the others at the guard position and with this lineup change you would remove that asset. These lineups don't take into account who they are playing against. Earlier in the season JJ started against Steph with RR out. He scored 50 on us that night, whether you place the blame on him or devin point is RR was out and if RR is on the bench he would not be guarding a player like steph as much. When we play Houston do you want monta guarding Harden and getting in foul trouble? Then he has to let him go by to protect himself from fouls, leaving TC in a bad spot and possibly placing him in foul trouble or easy layups which as we all know can get a player going when he gets too many easy shots. I just don't see a benefit in using the best defensive guard we have on the other teams bench players.