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BPo001 · 02-06-2023, 10:21 AM

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He may be a rental, but the gamble is this off-season he can?t get to a destination of his choice without the Mavs cooperation in a sign and trade. Let?s say he?s motivated and balls out, we will likely see better compensation than what we gave up yesterday.

I?m not familiar with the Lakers cap situation, but Westbrook is a FA at the end of the season. With his contract off the books would they have room to sign Kyrie outright to a big deal without a S&T?

DevinHarriswillstart · 02-06-2023, 10:31 AM

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I?m not familiar with the Lakers cap situation, but Westbrook is a FA at the end of the season. With his contract off the books would they have room to sign Kyrie outright to a big deal without a S&T?

Remember when the Knicks didn't have room to sign Brunson? Teams make the room when they get a commitment from the player.

tap2390 · 02-06-2023, 10:57 AM

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I?m not familiar with the Lakers cap situation, but Westbrook is a FA at the end of the season. With his contract off the books would they have room to sign Kyrie outright to a big deal without a S&T?

Here is a good primer on their cap space situation:

https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/...l-roster-money

Gist is, they can free up approximately $35m if they renounce everyone (Reaves, Hachimura, etc.), and Damian Jones doesn't exercise his player option. They can free up another $1.7m by trading Christie.

That's not even close to Kyrie's max figure of about $50m a year. I don't see Kyrie walking away from $12-15m and paying Cali state taxes.

Amarelooms · 02-06-2023, 09:34 AM

Can we trade kyrie now if we want? Say to the lakers for those 2 first and whatever young players they got?

EricaLubarsky · 02-06-2023, 09:47 AM

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Can we trade kyrie now if we want? Say to the lakers for those 2 first and whatever young players they got?

Can be traded before Thursday, but not combined with another player and his trade bonus means we'd need to match like 39mill

G-Man · 02-06-2023, 09:55 AM

I'm not crazy about adding a crazy player to the team. But he is a crazy superstar. He won a championship with LeBron, and no one in the NBA plays more like Lebron than Luka, with far less ego. I don't like the rental aspect of it, but nothing I can do about that.

I think Luka will be happy to have someone to pass to who can be totally trusted, both as a scorer and ball handler. It may force teams to stop double teaming him, and very few can handle either Luka or Kyrie, one on one. With Wood as the third option, the offense will be great. Bullock takes Dorian's role and with less pressure to score can concentrate on defending. Green and Hardy get more minutes, and that is a good thing.

That said, I will really miss Dorian...just a great all around person with an inspiring work ethic...but certainly not irreplaceable.

Hopefully, they can make some moves to shore up the defense. if one involves moving THJ, then its a solid trade deadline season.

DevinHarriswillstart · 02-06-2023, 10:00 AM

Mavs prioritizing their young guys is just weird to see. And finally smart.

https://twitter.com/TheAthleticNBA/s...99744781533184

DevinHarriswillstart · 02-06-2023, 10:05 AM

So weird seeing so many "smart" journalists saying the hefty price we paid. You can have whatever opinion you want, but that one makes little sense to me.

Dinwiddie was having a good season, but his fit was still not the best starting with Luka. DFS regressed IMO. He was no longer nailing those open threes like he did last season. Defense not the same either.

But more than anything, those two guys wouldn't have ANY value at all without Luka. Proof is in the stats on how bad we are without Luka playing.

minkbarn · 02-06-2023, 10:08 AM

The Mavs are in for the full Kyrie treatment.

As the old saying goes about boats, the two happiest days are the day you get the boat and the day you get rid of it.

Best of luck on this journey Dallas Mavericks.

BPo001 · 02-06-2023, 10:20 AM

Did the Nets trade Kyrie Irving to Dallas out of spite? That seems to be the case with NBA insider Marc Stein reporting that one of owner Joe Tsai?s ?presumed objectives? was trading him to a team other than the Lakers, who were seen as his ?preferred destination.? If true, it would signal an almost unprecedented degree of pettiness, with Tsai actively playing defense against Kyrie, denying him the opportunity to reunite with former teammate LeBron James in Los Angeles.

DevinHarriswillstart · 02-06-2023, 10:29 AM

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Did the Nets trade Kyrie Irving to Dallas out of spite? That seems to be the case with NBA insider Marc Stein reporting that one of owner Joe Tsai?s ?presumed objectives? was trading him to a team other than the Lakers, who were seen as his ?preferred destination.? If true, it would signal an almost unprecedented degree of pettiness, with Tsai actively playing defense against Kyrie, denying him the opportunity to reunite with former teammate LeBron James in Los Angeles.

One person's treasure is another person's misery.

And that goes for Kyrie being a head case too. We have no chance at all acquiring him without such a head case.

G-Man · 02-06-2023, 10:31 AM

This move reminds me a lot of the KP trade. We take a flyer on a clearly flawed all-star. KP couldn't stay healthy, but we didn't give up much to get him, except some middle to late 1st round picks. Now we have to hope Kyrie can stay sane, and sign an extension.

The difference is that Kyrie is a healthy, proven super-star, in a position to relieve the pressure off Luka, both in scoring and ball handling. At the end of games when we need a bucket, no more throwing 3 defenders at Luka and daring anyone else to score.

So we solved a problem, at least until the season ends. If we can add a decent big now, we could be in position to make a run.

We could also, by summer, end up with a steaming pile of nothing. At least they rolled the dice. You can't win if you don't try.

DevinHarriswillstart · 02-06-2023, 10:47 AM

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This move reminds me a lot of the KP trade. We take a flyer on a clearly flawed all-star. KP couldn't stay healthy, but we didn't give up much to get him, except some middle to late 1st round picks. Now we have to hope Kyrie can stay sane, and sign an extension.

The difference is that Kyrie is a healthy, proven super-star, in a position to relieve the pressure off Luka, both in scoring and ball handling. At the end of games when we need a bucket, no more throwing 3 defenders at Luka and daring anyone else to score.

So we solved a problem, at least until the season ends. If we can add a decent big now, we could be in position to make a run.

We could also, by summer, end up with a steaming pile of nothing. At least they rolled the dice. You can't win if you don't try.

Yes, the Mavs will no longer be dealing with double teams when both of those players are on the floor.

And to that end, Wood makes so much more sense now that it boggles the mind he is still coming up in trade rumors. Like, you're really not gonna pay him now? It makes so much more sense to do that now versus before yesterday (and it still made sense then).

If Wood doesn't return us a 10+ rebounding defensive center, then you don't do it.

And for the steaming pile thing...that's exactly what the Mavs were without Luka anyway. So it's not like we aren't used to it.

In fact, I'm pretty sure we all agree there is at least a 50% chance Kyrie goes nutso on us. If only superstars grew on trees...

purplefrog · 02-06-2023, 10:58 AM

My first reaction was, "Hell NO!". Why give up two hard-working starters for a likely half year rental? I have enjoyed watching both Spence and DoDo and would hate to see them go. Kyrie is nothing but trouble.

After being royally pissed off for several hours, I began to think more rationally and played back my memory of how this team has been playing all season. It has been painful and the MBT needed to do something that would give Luka some relief. I don't especially like Kyrie on the Mavs but there is no doubt he fits the need for a second all-star and ball handler. If he leaves this summer and the Mavs get nothing in return, well then the Mavs will be in full rebuild and it might best if that comes sooner rather than later. Hopefully, the Mavs will make another trade or two and be able to compete in the playoffs. Let's hope. I am in wait and see mode. At least this shakes things up a bit. Praying for more trades!

DevinHarriswillstart · 02-06-2023, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by purplefrog

My first reaction was, "Hell NO!". Why give up two hard-working starters for a likely half year rental? I have enjoyed watching both Spence and DoDo and would hate to see them go. Kyrie is nothing but trouble.

After being royally pissed off for several hours, I began to think more rationally and played back my memory of how this team has been playing all season. It has been painful and the MBT needed to do something that would give Luka some relief. I don't especially like Kyrie on the Mavs but there is no doubt he fits the need for a second all-star and ball handler. If he leaves this summer and the Mavs get nothing in return, well then the Mavs will be in full rebuild and it might best if that comes sooner rather than later. Hopefully, the Mavs will make another trade or two and be able to compete in the playoffs. Let's hope. I am in wait and see mode. At least this shakes things up a bit. Praying for more trades!

Let this ease your mind...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2pK...seofHighlights

G-Man · 02-06-2023, 10:40 AM

The worst case scenario is Rondo. You get a whacky point guard who might fit, but chose not to, and you sacrifice a bunch of picks to rent him, then you lose him for nothing. I would have preferred Lavine, but if Kyrie wants to be here, he could be great. That is a huge "if". Rondo is what happens "if" he doesn't plan to stay.

BPo001 · 02-06-2023, 10:52 AM

Have we seen any reports of the Mavs offering Wood an extension? I know there was talk that they only wanted to offer 2 years, but I don?t recall any reports that an official offer was made.

tap2390 · 02-06-2023, 10:58 AM

Mavs need to push hard for Jarred Vanderbilt. He's an excellent defender/ rebounder at the 4. We may need to give up Hardy.

DevinHarriswillstart · 02-06-2023, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by tap2390

Mavs need to push hard for Jarred Vanderbilt. He's an excellent defender/ rebounder at the 4. We may need to give up Hardy.

Can't see them giving up Hardy for Vanderbilt if they wouldn't include him in a trade for Kyrie. Plus, you'll need Hardy if Kyrie bolts this summer.

But I'm all for getting Vanderbilt 100%.

Melonhead · 02-06-2023, 11:25 AM

Dream scenario is retain Wood, and sign a center.

TMAC said Maxi will be back "this month"

EricaLubarsky · 02-06-2023, 01:26 PM

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Dream scenario is retain Wood, and sign a center.

TMAC said Maxi will be back "this month"

That's what I would hope for to.

I hear grumblings that Wood is just a stat padder guy like Dangelo Russel and that he doesnt have the fire in his belly, but he's also been a rental for so long that it's hard to tell: He's always constantly trying to learn a new system and do his best and as he starts to get it, he's traded, so it's understandable that he's always looking a little hesitant and not instantaneous.

BUT he's also the first guy we've had there that is top-15 in production at his position. Wood is top 13 among PFs in PER. We've gotten so used to having guys at the 4/5 that produce worse than most second-stringers (55-90th at their position). Wood is legitimately producing like a top-half starter.

If we trade him, I hope it's for another PF or C, but I kind of hope we can get a legit center for cheap.

DevinHarriswillstart · 02-06-2023, 12:04 PM

I guess what drives me nut is the looseness of Wood trade rumors like Powell is a viable option at center. My god, even with Kyrie, we need to trade or minimize Powell's role here. He isn't good and won't magically be good just because we got Kyrie.

purplefrog · 02-06-2023, 12:09 PM

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I guess what drives me nut is the looseness of Wood trade rumors like Powell is a viable option at center. My god, even with Kyrie, we need to trade or minimize Powell's role here. He isn't good and won't magically be good just because we got Kyrie.

Yup, there has to be a way to upgrade the center position. Seems to me that Sacramento would be willing to do a Holmes for Powell trade - straight up, just to get out from under Holmes' contract for two more years.

BPo001 · 02-06-2023, 12:16 PM

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Yup, there has to be a way to upgrade the center position. Seems to me that Sacramento would be willing to do a Holmes for Powell trade - straight up, just to get out from under Holmes' contract for two more years.

I don?t know much about Holmes, but is it worth giving up Powell?s expiring deal for a guy with 2 years left?

DevinHarriswillstart · 02-06-2023, 12:33 PM

Been seeing rumors of Wood to the Clippers for Marcus Morris.

I mean, yikes...BUT, and this goes with what I've been saying...the Mavs would be going all in on destroying the nice guy persona which I am for. Morris is the ultimate villain. And maybe he and his brother can motivate each other to play well here.

I'm against it and would MUCH rather keep Wood, but I'm not against the idea of finally cutting the nice guy bs.

saclare · 02-06-2023, 12:40 PM

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Been seeing rumors of Wood to the Clippers for Marcus Morris.

I mean, yikes...BUT, and this goes with what I've been saying...the Mavs would be going all in on destroying the nice guy persona which I am for. Morris is the ultimate villain. And maybe he and his brother can motivate each other to play well here.

I'm against it and would MUCH rather keep Wood, but I'm not against the idea of finally cutting the nice guy bs.

That isn't quite up to snuff. Wood is worth quite a bit more than the better Morris bro.

DevinHarriswillstart · 02-06-2023, 01:10 PM

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That isn't quite up to snuff. Wood is worth quite a bit more than the better Morris bro.

Agreed, but this Clippers stuff comes out of Stein's mouth. And Shams said he hasn't accepted an extension. Lots of smoke.

Hope the Clippers stuff is just leverage for a better deal.

DevinHarriswillstart · 02-06-2023, 01:31 PM

Per Tmac...ugh.

Christian Wood is well aware that Mavs are discussing potential trades involving him. He says he's trying to stay off social media and talk to Jason Kidd and GM Nico Harrison as much as possible.

What is he hearing from them? "Uh, nothing," Wood said. "I hope I?m not traded."

Melonhead · 02-06-2023, 01:55 PM

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Per Tmac...ugh.

Christian Wood is well aware that Mavs are discussing potential trades involving him. He says he's trying to stay off social media and talk to Jason Kidd and GM Nico Harrison as much as possible.

What is he hearing from them? "Uh, nothing," Wood said. "I hope I?m not traded."

ugh zero intention of offering an extension, which we kinda already know.

JustJay · 02-06-2023, 01:56 PM

So wait Wood wants to be here but the Mavs don't want him?

tap2390 · 02-06-2023, 02:00 PM

Going to be an unpopular opinion, but I can understand why we don?t want Wood. In the modern NBA he?s a 5, but defensively he?s very much a 4. Mavs want a defensive 5 at the 5 they can put Luka, Kyrie, and two wings around.

Bryan_Wilson · 02-06-2023, 02:09 PM

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Going to be an unpopular opinion, but I can understand why we don?t want Wood. In the modern NBA he?s a 5, but defensively he?s very much a 4. Mavs want a defensive 5 at the 5 they can put Luka, Kyrie, and two wings around.

I'm not married to Wood either myself.

Last I remember we were "opening discussions" in early January for his extension and if we couldn't come to an agreement he would be traded to avoid another brunson situation where he leaves for nothing.

I think we only were offering 2 years... why would someone at 27yrs old be interested in that... he could get 4 from a lot of teams I'd imagine. 2yr offer doesn't sound like they want him all that much imo and were more trying to preserve his value for future trades.

SMC0007 · 02-06-2023, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by tap2390

Going to be an unpopular opinion, but I can understand why we don?t want Wood. In the modern NBA he?s a 5, but defensively he?s very much a 4. Mavs want a defensive 5 at the 5 they can put Luka, Kyrie, and two wings around.

Use Wood and whatever else makes sense to get Myles Turner? Idk who else is available that's worth trading Wood for. Wood is a solid player, they better get good return for him.

Melonhead · 02-06-2023, 02:24 PM

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Use Wood and whatever else makes sense to get Myles Turner? Idk who else is available that's worth trading Wood for. Wood is a solid player, they better get good return for him.

Thats the thing, what center is going to be a considerable upgrade in what we got with Wood. Hes not the most ideal, but the return better be worth it, because he works hard and wants to be here.

JustJay · 02-06-2023, 02:00 PM

?By the way I?m hearing that he?s [Kevin Durant] on the verge of potentially being moved. Obviously we?ve all been speculating about that?that he may be moved. I?m hearing Boston is making some calls. Keep your eye on Jaylen Brown. Keep your eye on that.? -
@stephenasmith
on FT

Melonhead · 02-06-2023, 02:16 PM

Wood confirmed playing tonight...

JustJay · 02-06-2023, 02:18 PM

If Celtics get KD it's all moot they're going to win the championship.

JustJay · 02-06-2023, 02:26 PM

Seems like it's possible one or both of DFS and Spence won't even be Nets by Thursday.

Brad Townsend: Thinking out loud: While waiting on Brooklyn as it attempts to expand the trade and/or move Dinwiddie elsewhere, I wonder what offers the Mavs might be getting for Irving. And if so, are they listening? When I spoke to Dorian Finney-Smith last night, he wasn?t certain he?ll be a Net. ? via Twitter townbrad

DevinHarriswillstart · 02-06-2023, 02:32 PM

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Seems like it's possible one or both of DFS and Spence won't even be Nets by Thursday.

Brad Townsend: Thinking out loud: While waiting on Brooklyn as it attempts to expand the trade and/or move Dinwiddie elsewhere, I wonder what offers the Mavs might be getting for Irving. And if so, are they listening? When I spoke to Dorian Finney-Smith last night, he wasn?t certain he?ll be a Net. ? via Twitter townbrad

Your first mistake was Brad Townsend. He is clearly trolling here because he doesn't like the trade and is also just a terrible writer if that's what you want to call what he does.

He "might" be right about Dinwiddie going somewhere else, but the Mavs listening to Irving offers is blatant dog shit.

Melonhead · 02-06-2023, 02:40 PM

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Your first mistake was Brad Townsend. He is clearly trolling here because he doesn't like the trade and is also just a terrible writer if that's what you want to call what he does.

He "might" be right about Dinwiddie going somewhere else, but the Mavs listening to Irving offers is blatant dog shit.

yeah that last part is bogus, they didnt throw DFS out just to listen to Irving offers.

but i will say if KD isnt sticking around, DFS could land somewhere other than brooklyn.