Sacremento trade

[MFFL]

Outgoing
Erick Dampier
6-11 C from Mississippi State
7.1 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 0.6 apg in 25.2 minutes

Jason Terry
6-2 PG from Arizona
16.7 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 5.2 apg in 35.2 minutes

Maurice Ager
6-5 SG from Michigan State
2.2 ppg, 0.7 rpg, 0.2 apg in 6.7 minutes

Incoming
Mike Bibby
6-2 PG from Arizona
17.1 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 4.7 apg in 34.0 minutes

Ron Artest
6-7 SF from St. John's
18.8 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 3.4 apg in 37.7 minutes

Successful Scenario
Due to Dallas and Sacramento being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Dallas and Sacramento had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

+++++
Not really sure WHY the Kings would do it other than to get rid of Artest and to gain the potential of Ager. It does reduce their salary by $3M.

Maybe if we kicked in a 1st? And Cuban's old standby: $3M?

[TruthbHeard]

NO way dude, Bibby is on the downslide of his career, he shot like 38% this season, trust me terry is better and artest and howard will then need to split SF time cuz neither is a good ball handler or shooter to play SG. I dont want artest, rather a younger highflyer like Joe Johnson who can play defense.

[MFFL]

Bibby shot 40% for the year but he shot 43% last year so there isn't any reason to believe that he won't return to form.

Artest can play SF or PF if/when we go small. Both Artest and Howard are good enough shooters to play a little SG.

And Artest will be cheap if he is traded. And there is a reasonable chance that he would be a reinvigorated player since he just got sentenced to anger management classes.

[SeattleMavsFan]

i wouldn't do it. bibby is really going downhill. artest might be a cancer in the lockerroom, plus he said he may be retiring this year.

[chumdawg]

Sign me up.

[DelNegro]

The Kings won't take Dampier. They're already paying stupid money to Brad Miller.

[GP]

Originally Posted by DelNegro

The Kings won't take Dampier. They're already paying stupid money to Brad Miller.

Actually, that might work if the Mavs get Miller as well. Of course, they'd probably need to go out and hire his old coach so they could take advantage of both Bibby and Millers skill. Those of you who are giving up on Bibby need to remember that the Kings had far and away the worst coach in the NBA ever since they fired Adelman. Bibby will probably bounce back in the right situation.

[Ninkobei]

getting rid of Damp AND terry? sounds good to me

[Dortmund]

bibby is so much better than terry in the playoffs. terry i think is the ONLY player in the league that cannot abuse nash when he is matched up with him. terry also seems to forget how to move his feet defensively... however on offense they move at 100 miles an hour. quite a mystery that is.

Give me BIBBY!!! ill take the better arizona player any day

[4cwebb]

you haven't seen worthless PG defense until you've seen Bibby try to contain someone with any sort of quickness (Parker, Nash, etc.). He also needs to play in a pretty structured offensive system to be most effective, imho. His best years with the Kings were when Divac, CWebb or Miller helped to set the offensive tempo.

[Lor20]

so then diop is our only nba level center? we might aswell play 4 on 5 on offense from now on then.

[SeriousSummer]

Originally Posted by Lor20

so then diop is our only nba level center? we might aswell play 4 on 5 on offense from now on then.

If only had one offensive player that couldn't score on the floor at a time, that'd be a significant improvement. Much of the time this year we played with Dampier/Diop and George/Buckner on the floor at the same time and had two players on the floor that couldn't score.

That's what has killed us in the play offs in the last two series. Coaches (Riley and Nelson, but after those series everyone else will catch on) that you can afford to double Dirk, because Dallas always plays with at least one player on the floor that can't score, and most of the time two. It doesn't matter so much in the regular season when defenses don't really adjust to specific teams.

In the play offs, it kills you.

[a.weidner]

I don't think that trade would have any chance. We'd have to involve a third team, because I don't see Sacramento taking Damp. But let's say we could somehow get Sacramento to do that and also would sign Magloire, I'd be absolutely thrilled.

C Magloire/Diop
PF Dirk/Artest
SF Artest/Josh
SG Josh/Stack
PG Bibby/Devin

I'd like that team a lot. But it's not gonna happen.

PS: got this from the Magloire bio on nba.com:
"Favorite movie is The Ten Commandments"
sounds like an Avery guy to me ;-) maybe he could get him going.

[Lor20]

well damp can at least score off of offensive boards and doesn't treat the ball like a hot potato whenever he gets it like diop sometimes does.

[SeriousSummer]

Originally Posted by a.weidner

I don't think that trade would have any chance. We'd have to involve a third team, because I don't see Sacramento taking Damp. But let's say we could somehow get Sacramento to do that and also would sign Magloire, I'd be absolutely thrilled.

C Magloire/Diop
PF Dirk/Artest
SF Artest/Josh
SG Josh/Stack
PG Bibby/Devin

I'd like that team a lot. But it's not gonna happen.

PS: got this from the Magloire bio on nba.com:
"Favorite movie is The Ten Commandments"
sounds like an Avery guy to me ;-) maybe he could get him going.

Probably someone who doesn't see a lot of movies!

[mcsluggo]

Sacramento is likely looking to unload Bibby and Artest (as well as others) ...

but it is to rebuild, why the hell would they voluntarily take on the anvil contracts of two overpaid aging middling level players? They are looking to REBUILD.



As for Bibby, he is what he is. A shooting guard in a point guard's body. A bad defender, an ok distributor (except that he thinks shoot first), with a fairly deadly shot under some circumstances. He also thrives on crunch time (an asset that shouldn't be down-played too much he REALLY wants to take the last shot, and his production USUALLY picks up in the spotlight (for instance, crunchtime))


bottom line-- no way geof petrie makes that trade... that would be like trading webber and matt barnes for corlis williamson and kenny thomas.... uh, nevermind.

[MavsX]

this is the WORST idea ever!

[Dirkenstien]

I like the idea of adding Artest and plugging him into either the 2 or 3 spot. It would be a risk but he fits exactly what we need in a strong, defensive oriented back court player.

We would probably have to give up Harris to get him, though.

[BaylorTMW]

I don't think Sac is that desperate to unload Bibby and Artest. They are getting rid of the two best players in that trade.

Also, just because it works financially in the trade machine doesn't mean it makes sense people...