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Usually Lurkin · 08-29-2010, 07:31 PM

is the suck on Team USA.
Has anybody been watching? Is he giving any hope that he can still do better than 0 points and 2 rebounds in 10 minutes?

tcat075 · 08-29-2010, 08:11 PM

Should be rebounding better, but his defense and alley oop catching looks fine to me.

Thomas86 · 08-29-2010, 09:25 PM

His pick and roll defense looks great and plain defense looks alright to me, Team USA don't have any good passing PG's like Kidd and Paul so I don't epect Chandler to do much when Team USA PG's barely pass the ball.

Rick41 · 08-29-2010, 10:04 PM

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His pick and roll defense looks great and plain defense looks alright to me, Team USA don't have any good passing PG's like Kidd and Paul so I don't epect Chandler to do much when Team USA PG's barely pass the ball.

Or how USA is just jacking up shots. That's all they seem to be doing other than the fast break.

Chandler cant be racking up any points if he never gets the ball.

LonghornDub · 08-29-2010, 10:14 PM

I'm not a Chandler fan, but I don't think you can extrapolate his Team USA performance to how he'll play for us.

SMC0007 · 08-30-2010, 11:11 AM

This thread will self destruct in 5 minutes....

41mvp · 08-30-2010, 11:26 AM

take it easy.This guy have potential!!!We must give him a chance.

Usually Lurkin · 08-30-2010, 07:08 PM

some good defense by Chandler in the 3rd against Brazil to help shut down a layup drill and stop Tiago Splitter. They could have used him in the 4th.

wilmtalk · 08-31-2010, 12:03 PM

Contrary to what some people thought we needed a defensive presence at the five far more than an offensive presence. He will be just fine

Underdog · 08-31-2010, 12:15 PM

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Contrary to what some people thought we needed a defensive presence at the five far more than an offensive presence. He will be just fine

Compared to Damp, he IS an offensive presence...

Win-win.

LonghornDub · 08-31-2010, 05:22 PM

Contrary to what some people think, the Center position really hasn't been much of a problem. And even though Chandler's nothing special, I suspect it'll continue to not be much of a problem. Our biggest weakness certainly lies elsewhere.

tcat075 · 08-31-2010, 08:05 PM

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Contrary to what some people think, the Center position really hasn't been much of a problem. And even though Chandler's nothing special, I suspect it'll continue to not be much of a problem. Our biggest weakness certainly lies elsewhere.

Jason Terry's defense?

CadBane · 08-31-2010, 11:00 PM

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I'm not a Chandler fan, but I don't think you can extrapolate his Team USA performance to how he'll play for us.

But you can extrapolate his scrimmage performances...

(not directed at you Longhorn, just the legion of fickle on this site)

ribosoma · 09-01-2010, 10:26 AM

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But you can extrapolate his scrimmage performances...

(not directed at you Longhorn, just the legion of fickle on this site)

wilmtalk · 09-01-2010, 03:15 PM

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Compared to Damp, he IS an offensive presence...

Win-win.

My sentiments exactly. I also thought that Damp was highly over rated as a defensive center.His lack of mobility kept him in a very close to the basket where his other numbers were inflated. The worst problem was his lack of motivation because he did show he could play in spurts. With him it was all about the money. Not as bad as Demarcus Russel but never the less simular. I remember how he doubled his stats his contract year with Golden State then once he signed with Dallas he went back to his old lazy ways. Unfortunately for him but fortunately for teams in the league he is too old to put together an entire season of hustle to get another inflated contract.

CadBane · 09-01-2010, 03:19 PM

It's funny how people nut-ride Tyson when he "looks good" in scrimmages, then when he "looks like shit" in the actual games, there's crickets. You can't have it both ways.

wilmtalk · 09-01-2010, 03:32 PM

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Contrary to what some people think, the Center position really hasn't been much of a problem. And even though Chandler's nothing special, I suspect it'll continue to not be much of a problem. Our biggest weakness certainly lies elsewhere.

The key word is much. But it was still a problem. Multiply those not much of a problem's and the become hugeDamps shortcomings were compensated for by Dirks being able to score even with double teams. When Damp was on the floor he was vertually ingnored on offense which allowed the other team to double the man with the ball. This also left Damp open to get offensive rebounds since no one was on him to block him out. Yes by it self it could be compensated for but when this is compounded be shooters like Terry going cold and a lack of the teams ability to score off the dribble leaving the entire offense on the back of Dirk when the other players jumpshots wouldn't fall then it becomes much bigger problem.

Chandler has the quickness to move to the basket to catch and score from farther out so the other team will not be able to play off him as the did with Damp. He will also be able to play a better off the ball defense and cover the quicker posts that Haywood might have trouble with. With Chandler and Haywood the Mavs are the strongest they have been at the 5 for a long time.

SMC0007 · 09-01-2010, 03:48 PM

nut ride? is that even possible?

Rick41 · 09-01-2010, 03:52 PM

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nut ride? is that even possible?

I'm sure he has done it.

DevinHarriswillstart · 09-01-2010, 04:19 PM

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I'm sure he has done it.

I have video evidence...

http://www.stupidvideos.com/video/st...e_Nuts/#195738

The only reason so much spotlight is on Chandler is because the Dust Chip was spent on him versus him just being a pretty darn good option at back-up center. Yes, for anyone who doesn't get that....back-up center. Our other back-up centers within recent memory were Gooden, Diop, Bass, Hollins. Do we (or one dumbass who can't comprehend) get the enthusiasm now?

ribosoma · 09-01-2010, 04:52 PM

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I have video evidence...

http://www.stupidvideos.com/video/st...e_Nuts/#195738

The only reason so much spotlight is on Chandler is because the Dust Chip was spent on him versus him just being a pretty darn good option at back-up center. Yes, for anyone who doesn't get that....back-up center. Our other back-up centers within recent memory were Gooden, Diop, Bass, Hollins. Do we (or one dumbass who can't comprehend) get the enthusiasm now?

Clearly he is the smartest person here... just ask him.

LonghornDub · 09-01-2010, 07:31 PM

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The key word is much. But it was still a problem. Multiply those not much of a problem's and the become hugeDamps shortcomings were compensated for by Dirks being able to score even with double teams. When Damp was on the floor he was vertually ingnored on offense which allowed the other team to double the man with the ball. This also left Damp open to get offensive rebounds since no one was on him to block him out. Yes by it self it could be compensated for but when this is compounded be shooters like Terry going cold and a lack of the teams ability to score off the dribble leaving the entire offense on the back of Dirk when the other players jumpshots wouldn't fall then it becomes much bigger problem.

Chandler has the quickness to move to the basket to catch and score from farther out so the other team will not be able to play off him as the did with Damp. He will also be able to play a better off the ball defense and cover the quicker posts that Haywood might have trouble with. With Chandler and Haywood the Mavs are the strongest they have been at the 5 for a long time.

But problems are relative. Everything on this team is a problem except Dirk. For most NBA teams, everything is a problem except 1-2 players (2 if you're lucky). You can't have a roster full of guys without significant weaknesses--it's just not possible.

So when I say it wasn't "much" of a problem, yeah, I'm speaking relatively. Damp obviously was hugely deficient in many areas of the game, but if you were to chart out the problems with the Mavs, it really wasn't that high towards the top. And I believe that'll continue to be the case.

SMC0007 · 09-01-2010, 09:34 PM

Any word on a shooting guard?

sefant77 · 09-01-2010, 10:02 PM

Butler/Terry/Roddy/Jones

SMC0007 · 09-02-2010, 12:53 AM

found another problem then

DevinHarriswillstart · 09-02-2010, 03:28 AM

Chandler had his best game yet against Iran...7 points 7 rebounds on 3/3 shooting in 13 minutes.

SMC0007 · 09-02-2010, 10:36 AM

Yeah, but that really doesn't mean anything. It's great that he had a good game, but it's just not the same. It will probably take 15 or so games as a Maverick before we really know what we have in him. I think he is a better player now than he has been since N.O. but it will have to be proofen

Also, Jkidd (or roddy) isn't on the level CP3 is so....who knows.

ReDirkulous Tyme · 09-02-2010, 10:45 AM

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Yeah, but that really doesn't mean anything. It's great that he had a good game, but it's just not the same. It will probably take 15 or so games as a Maverick before we really know what we have in him. I think he is a better player now than he has been since N.O. but it will have to be proofen

Also, Jkidd (or roddy) isn't on the level CP3 is so....who knows.

agreed. I think the only thing we can really tell from Chandler's time with the USA team is the kind of physical shape he is in. The players around him, and the style of offense/defense played in Dallas in completely different than it is on the USA team. We'll find out how he integrates in to the Mavs system after 20 or so games. Assuming health isn't a problem, thats when we should find out what kind of production we will be seeing from Tyson this season. From what I've seen of him on the USA team, and the reviews he's been given by his peers though, it seems as if he is in pretty good playing shape, and he seems to be stronger than he was before. Ergo, I'm optimistic. I think with a healthy Chandler and Haywood we could have one of the better 2-headed center combos in the league. I also think that having Chandler and Haywood practicing against each other every day will give them a healthy competitive spirit going against each other, which will hopefully keep them both motivated to give it their all every time they step on the court.

SMC0007 · 09-02-2010, 12:11 PM

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agreed. I think the only thing we can really tell from Chandler's time with the USA team is the kind of physical shape he is in. The players around him, and the style of offense/defense played in Dallas in completely different than it is on the USA team. We'll find out how he integrates in to the Mavs system after 20 or so games. Assuming health isn't a problem, thats when we should find out what kind of production we will be seeing from Tyson this season. From what I've seen of him on the USA team, and the reviews he's been given by his peers though, it seems as if he is in pretty good playing shape, and he seems to be stronger than he was before. Ergo, I'm optimistic. I think with a healthy Chandler and Haywood we could have one of the better 2-headed center combos in the league. I also think that having Chandler and Haywood practicing against each other every day will give them a healthy competitive spirit going against each other, which will hopefully keep them both motivated to give it their all every time they step on the court.

Yup!

Kidd Karma · 09-02-2010, 12:28 PM

I would not count on either centers practicing every day beyond training camp. Given Chandler's penchant to get hurt, his practice time should be very limited....once the season starts. Even during TC, I can't see him going full bore in double days, since he's already running with Team USA through late September. He'll probably see more shells to at least learn the basic sets, than actual scrimmaging.

fluid.forty.one · 09-02-2010, 12:39 PM

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It's funny how people nut-ride Tyson when he "looks good" in scrimmages, then when he "looks like shit" in the actual games, there's crickets. You can't have it both ways.

Dude, I think most of what people were excited about from the scrimmage was that he looked healthy (injury wise) and healthy (in-shape wise).

That hasn't changed during the tournament.

Usually Lurkin · 09-02-2010, 12:59 PM

4 pts, 5rbs in 15 minutes against Tunisia, which might not be as good as Kevin Love, who did the same in 10 minutes, but is much better than Lamar Odom, who is a douche.

wilmtalk · 09-02-2010, 02:08 PM

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But problems are relative. Everything on this team is a problem except Dirk. For most NBA teams, everything is a problem except 1-2 players (2 if you're lucky). You can't have a roster full of guys without significant weaknesses--it's just not possible.

So when I say it wasn't "much" of a problem, yeah, I'm speaking relatively. Damp obviously was hugely deficient in many areas of the game, but if you were to chart out the problems with the Mavs, it really wasn't that high towards the top. And I believe that'll continue to be the case.

I am in basic agreement with your statement. Most every player even the stars have weakness's. It depends if the players on a team can complement each other by letting each others strengths compensate for each others weakness's. It was just that the roster of the Mavs wasn't geared to that. Damp's offensive weakness would have not been as glaring if the rest of the team was consistant on offense. Damp was also over rated on defense. His lack of mobility made him a weak off the the ball defender. He also had trouble defending quicker 5's. This compounded with the defensive libilitys of the guards created a glaring defensive weakness. What we lacked was consistant offense and defense.

You don't need a team of superstars to win. You need consistancy on both offense and defense. You can be average on one end of the court if you make up for it on the other. The mavs had too many players who were either inconsistant, average or below on both ends of the floor. They had too many players who had the same strengths and weakness's thus they could not compensate for each other.

SMC0007 · 09-02-2010, 02:38 PM

Also, Dirk has a his weaknesses too. He makes it so you really need a two way player at center. One that can be a presence in the paint offensively and defensively.

fluid.forty.one · 09-02-2010, 04:00 PM

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Also, Dirk has a his weaknesses too. He makes it so you really need a two way player at center. One that can be a presence in the paint offensively and defensively.

Dirk doesn't "need" an offensive center. He took the team to the finals with a SH*TTY two guard and two centers that were good defensively. Fix the 2 guard and you fix the problem, as long as we continue to have defensive guys who can cover up Dirk's defensive weaknesses.

SMC0007 · 09-02-2010, 04:47 PM

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Dirk doesn't "need" an offensive center. He took the team to the finals with a SH*TTY two guard and two centers that were good defensively. Fix the 2 guard and you fix the problem, as long as we continue to have defensive guys who can cover up Dirk's defensive weaknesses.

We lost in the finals.

I said the team needs a 2 way center. Not just an offensive center. I agree you need a 2 guard and have said so for a long time, but if you don't have a really good one, you need another way to get some easy buckets aside from Dirk. When the game slows down to a grind, the closer you are to the bucket, in most cases the easier it is to score.

fluid.forty.one · 09-02-2010, 04:48 PM

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We lost in the finals.

I said the team needs a 2 way center. Not just an offensive center. I agree you need a 2 guard and have said so for a long time, but if you don't have a really good one, you need another way to get some easy buckets aside from Dirk. When the game slows down to a grind, the closer you are to the bucket, in most cases the easier it is to score.

We lost in the Finals because of our starting 2 guard position (defensively and offensively)... our Centers did fine to match Shaq.

sefant77 · 09-02-2010, 04:58 PM

We lost the finals because of ridiculous reffing, normally we would have won even with our shitty SGs

I give a crap about Chandlers stats in Team USA. All i wanna see is that he stays healthy. If he is after training camp at 90% of his NO physical level im all fine and gonna trust Kidd to do the rest.

sefant77 · 09-02-2010, 04:58 PM

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fluid.forty.one · 09-02-2010, 05:01 PM

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We lost the finals because of ridiculous reffing, normally we would have won even with our shitty SGs

I give a crap about Chandlers stats in Team USA. All i wanna see is that he stays healthy. If he is after training camp at 90% of his NO physical level im all fine and gonna trust Kidd to do the rest.

We still could have avoided those 1-2 point losses if we weren't starting Adrian Griffen.

Seriously, Terry-Griffen-Howard-Diop must be the worst supporting cast ever for a favored Finals team. And in this case, at least Diop/Damp canceled out their negative offensive performances by controlling the opposing centers. Can't really say the same about our 2s...

I completely agree about the second part, though. The reason we got excited about the scrimmages wasn't because we thought Chandler was the next Shaq... we just got to see that he's healthy.. which is still the case.