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GermanStandard · 07-15-2015, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Kante

So, Barea, Felton and Williams are all born on the same day...

The chance of this occurrence happening is 0.00182%. So the chance of it happening to an NBA team any given year is 0.055%.
That means that is would statistically take around 1270 years for it to happen again.

rimrocker · 07-15-2015, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by GermanStandard

The chance of this occurrence happening is 0.00182%. So the chance of it happening to an NBA team any given year is 0.055%.
That means that is would statistically take around 1270 years for it to happen again.

Hopefully we'll have another championship by then.

Kante · 07-15-2015, 02:07 PM

Sneed:

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Just bumped into Donnie Nelson, who is still hard at work here in Las Vegas. Mavs are zeroing in on a shot blocker in free agency.

chumdawg · 07-15-2015, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by GermanStandard

The chance of this occurrence happening is 0.00182%. So the chance of it happening to an NBA team any given year is 0.055%.
That means that is would statistically take around 1270 years for it to happen again.

Surely you are kidding here.

chumdawg · 07-15-2015, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Both wives lost their children while in the White House.

Both Presidents were shot on a Friday, in the head.

It's enough to have at least been uncomfortably coincidental for the Kennedys, I'm sure.

DirkFTW · 07-15-2015, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Kante

Sneed: Just bumped into Donnie Nelson, who is still hard at work here in Las Vegas. Mavs are zeroing in on a shot blocker in free agency.

Well, there's this...

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-15-2015, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Kante

Sneed:

Yeah, shot blockers no other team even wants. Dalembert, Hollins, or Mcgee. Take your pick! Yippee!

rimrocker · 07-15-2015, 04:17 PM

We could somewhat motivate Dalembert by making him a starter and keep in mind we did go 7 games against SA with him as our primary center. He is older but so is Duncan.
I say just sign him and either McGee or Withey.

mavs777 · 07-15-2015, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by rimrocker

We could somewhat motivate Dalembert by making him a starter and keep in mind we did go 7 games against SA with him as our primary center. He is older but so is Duncan.
I say just sign him and either McGee or Withey.

Oh god no, Zaza is actually decent, no way should we do that.

purplefrog · 07-15-2015, 04:45 PM

Looking over Dally's number from last year, they were not too bad (on paper). He played 17 mpg and averaged 1.3 blocks and 5.3 rebounds per game. On the other hand, the Knicks waived him and no one picked him up. I have no idea what the deal was with that situation.

It looks like you have on the one hand shot blockers like McGee, Dalembert, and Thomas, and on the other an offensive threat in Boozer, and a hustling defender in Hansbrough. Perhaps the Mavs take one shot blocker from Column A and then either an offensive or defensive specialist in Boozer/Hansbrough (Column B). Can they fit both under the cap?

dirk2003 · 07-15-2015, 04:52 PM

I don't really understand the Dally hate. I'd love to have him as one of our 3 centers. I'm hoping the guy that Donnie is looking at is Larry Sanders.

aussiemaverick · 07-16-2015, 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Kante

So, Barea, Felton and Williams are all born on the same day...

All 3 also have 13 letters in their name

Melonhead · 07-16-2015, 11:01 AM

Anyone see Cuban cyber dust this morning?

He's proposing adding two teams in the playoffs. Top teams get a bye. He said it'll keep teams from racing to the bottom but who wants to be a 10th seed.

Would still rather have the top 16 teams and do away with divisions. 20 out of 30 teams don't need to be in the playoffs

MavzMan · 07-16-2015, 11:03 AM

I really, really do not want Boozer. The guy's offense is vastly over-rated and his defense is non-existent. Plus, we have enough offense guys for this. I would rather go with either 1) a bruiser (Hansbrough) or 2) a young shot-blocker (Whithey).

After going through all of the McGee videos including the Shaqtin' a Fool, I think I'm out on him. RC wants intelligent players and McGee will cost you several possessions a game easily.

MavzMan · 07-16-2015, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

Anyone see Cuban cyber dust this morning?

He's proposing adding two teams in the playoffs. Top teams get a bye. He said it'll keep teams from racing to the bottom but who wants to be a 10th seed.

Would still rather have the top 16 teams and do away with divisions. 20 out of 30 teams don't need to be in the playoffs

Didn't Silver already say that the top 8 teams in each conference will be the seeding? No more division winners.

I agree we don't need more teams in the playoffs. If anything, we need less. The other sports already joke about how "everyone" makes the playoffs in the NBA. But then I'm sure this is entirely money driven ... so it will probably happen.

Underdog · 07-16-2015, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by MavzMan

Didn't Silver already say that the top 8 teams in each conference will be the seeding? No more division winners.

Nope, just that he was open to discussing it.

dirt_dobber · 07-16-2015, 11:25 AM

ooops - saw it posted in the JJB thread.

Thomas86 · 07-16-2015, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MavzMan

I really, really do not want Boozer. The guy's offense is vastly over-rated and his defense is non-existent. Plus, we have enough offense guys for this. I would rather go with either 1) a bruiser (Hansbrough) or 2) a young shot-blocker (Whithey).

After going through all of the McGee videos including the Shaqtin' a Fool, I think I'm out on him. RC wants intelligent players and McGee will cost you several possessions a game easily.

Wait, What?...LOL

FreshJive · 07-16-2015, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

Anyone see Cuban cyber dust this morning?

He's proposing adding two teams in the playoffs. Top teams get a bye. He said it'll keep teams from racing to the bottom but who wants to be a 10th seed.

Would still rather have the top 16 teams and do away with divisions. 20 out of 30 teams don't need to be in the playoffs

Preparing for life after Dirk.

Thebo · 07-17-2015, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

Anyone see Cuban cyber dust this morning?

He's proposing adding two teams in the playoffs. Top teams get a bye. He said it'll keep teams from racing to the bottom but who wants to be a 10th seed.

Would still rather have the top 16 teams and do away with divisions. 20 out of 30 teams don't need to be in the playoffs

He's just making this kind of talk to promote Cyber Dust. Nothing else really.

hayth.james.g · 07-17-2015, 08:07 AM

Anyone else praying something out of left field comes up for our backup 5/4 spot? I want to get excited for this year, but without someone helping out on the boards I just don't think we can compete. McGee seems quite underwhelming.

We have to pray for health for Deron, Wesley and Chandler already. That's enough to worry about. If we truly envision ourselves as a 5-8 seed we have to come up with something better in the post.

ffballer · 07-17-2015, 02:15 PM

i just need to get this off my back, 16 million for barea???!!!?!???? we surely are giving away money jesus fuck SMH

BPo001 · 07-17-2015, 02:30 PM

Mark Deeks: Mavs and Petteri Koponen have submitted paperwork saying they cannot sign him for yet another season, thereby removing his cap hold.
– via Twitter MarkDeeksNBA

Melonhead · 07-17-2015, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by hayth.james.g

Anyone else praying something out of left field comes up for our backup 5/4 spot? I want to get excited for this year, but without someone helping out on the boards I just don't think we can compete. McGee seems quite underwhelming.

We have to pray for health for Deron, Wesley and Chandler already. That's enough to worry about. If we truly envision ourselves as a 5-8 seed we have to come up with something better in the post.

Its very grim right now. Article today said Mavs are looking overseas and just hoping something is out there. I dont think they are sold on any of the centers available, as the rest of us are.

zaza, mcgee, hansbrough, jeremy tyler

I think something of that nature is the best we can hope for. I cant imagine Carlisle wants to see Dally again.

Thebo · 07-17-2015, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BPo001

Mark Deeks: Mavs and Petteri Koponen have submitted paperwork saying they cannot sign him for yet another season, thereby removing his cap hold.
– via Twitter MarkDeeksNBA

Oh well, I hope the price of having Deron Williams instead will be worth it. Was looking forward to having Koponen but lets hope D-Will stays healthy enough.

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Originally Posted by ffballer

i just need to get this off my back, 16 million for barea???!!!?!???? we surely are giving away money jesus fuck SMH

I tend to agree here. 16 for 4 years seems about his worth under the new cap but it isn't like anyone was bidding for him either. Mavs could've gotten him much cheaper. I guess they had to bring back one of fans favorites after letting Tyson Chandler walk.

There just isn't much room for Barea and Harris to be backup guards in the same team. I'd rather have one and then Koponen.

DGM · 07-17-2015, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Thebo

Oh well, I hope the price of having Deron Williams instead will be worth it. Was looking forward to having Koponen but lets hope D-Will stays healthy enough.

I tend to agree here. 16 for 4 years seems about his worth under the new cap but it isn't like anyone was bidding for him either. Mavs could've gotten him much cheaper. I guess they had to bring back one of fans favorites after letting Tyson Chandler walk.

There just isn't much room for Barea and Harris to be backup guards in the same team. I'd rather have one and then Koponen.

$4m is like $2.5 m under the new cap.

hayth.james.g · 07-17-2015, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DGM

$4m is like $2.5 m under the new cap.

I get the logic that you are trying to convey, but 2.5 mill per year is 2.5 mill per year and thats what it counts against you cap wise and 4 mill is 4 mill. Can we afford to do it at this time? Sure, but it doesn't mean it won't hurt us flexibility wise in the future. Is it a bad contract for what he brings to the team under the new cap and the projected cap going forward? Probably not. Still, it sucks that we are now paying people above market value (or at least max of market value) when just a few days ago it looked like we were getting good deals.

mac222b · 07-17-2015, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by hayth.james.g

I get the logic that you are trying to convey, but 2.5 mill per year is 2.5 mill per year and thats what it counts against you cap wise and 4 mill is 4 mill. Can we afford to do it at this time? Sure, but it doesn't mean it won't hurt us flexibility wise in the future. Is it a bad contract for what he brings to the team under the new cap and the projected cap going forward? Probably not. Still, it sucks that we are now paying people above market value (or at least max of market value) when just a few days ago it looked like we were getting good deals.

Exactly. Also that cap space, or lack thereof can be valuable in other ways- if a player is bought out or for absorbing a salary dump- not just in the here and now.. Jeremy Lin is making closer to 2mil per and is younger and arguably better. Seeing as Barea presumably had zero leverage its a strange change in his contract unless they had it worked out ahead of time contingent upon other FA signings. As far as 4yrs. I wonder if its to maintain stretch waive flexibilty after year two? But then why not just give him 2yrs-8mil? Very odd all the way around...

Bryan_Wilson · 07-17-2015, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BPo001

Mark Deeks: Mavs and Petteri Koponen have submitted paperwork saying they cannot sign him for yet another season, thereby removing his cap hold.
– via Twitter MarkDeeksNBA

And my blue balls waiting for Koponen continues.

FreshJive · 07-17-2015, 10:04 PM

I think the heat were offering JJ 3.4 million, when he decided to go with Dallas. Aldridge tweeted something about him leaning towards taking the Miami deal, so there was leverage there when the Mavs made whatever verbal arrangement they made.

dirt_dobber · 07-18-2015, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by FreshJive

I think the heat were offering JJ 3.4 million, when he decided to go with Dallas. Aldridge tweeted something about him leaning towards taking the Miami deal, so there was leverage there when the Mavs made whatever verbal arrangement they made.

yes - I read that as well and am very glad he is coming back.

I still love it that JJB had his old Miami high school buddies in the stands during our championship.
As a senior at that high school in 2001–02, he averaged 20 pts, 6 reb, 8 assts and 3 steals in helping his team to the state title and a 38–2 record.

blessednegr0 · 07-18-2015, 06:01 PM

When the hell are we going to round out the rest of the roster? Is anyone getting as impatient as I am? I want to see what we are going to be looking like heading into the season. I am kind of hoping we land McGee. As silly as he is, he brings an element to the game that we are clearly lacking. The ideal situation would have been Jordan never committing and us going back after Brandon Wright... One could wish...

BPo001 · 07-18-2015, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by blessednegr0

When the hell are we going to round out the rest of the roster? Is anyone getting as impatient as I am? I want to see what we are going to be looking like heading into the season. I am kind of hoping we land McGee. As silly as he is, he brings an element to the game that we are clearly lacking. The ideal situation would have been Jordan never committing and us going back after Tyson... One could wish...

Fixed.

Underdog · 07-18-2015, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BPo001

Fixed.

Tyson committed to Phoenix three days before we got an answer from Jordan, so that was never an option. Hell, Ty was one of the first FAs off the market -- he didn't hesitate for one moment to jump at the highest bidder.

DGM · 07-18-2015, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Tyson committed to Phoenix three days before we got an answer from Jordan, so that was never an option. Hell, Ty was one of the first FAs off the market -- he didn't hesitate for one moment to jump at the highest bidder.

It's his last big deal and he didn't take any chances.

Underdog · 07-18-2015, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DGM

It's his last big deal and he didn't take any chances.

Oh, I get that. Obviously financial security is more important to him than competing for a ring at this point in his career -- otherwise he would have waited to see what shook out between the Mavs and Clippers... But $52,000,000 is definitely more tangible than a *chance* at winning a ring. I definitely don't fault the guy.

FreshJive · 07-18-2015, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Oh, I get that. Obviously financial security is more important to him than competing for a ring at this point in his career -- otherwise he would have waited to see what shook out between the Mavs and Clippers... But $52,000,000 is definitely more tangible than a *chance* at winning a ring. I definitely don't fault the guy.

At the time, Phoenix was going to use the Tyson signing to make a push for LMA. So, there was a chance at contending in Phoenix.

ffballer · 07-18-2015, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Oh, I get that. Obviously financial security is more important to him than competing for a ring at this point in his career -- otherwise he would have waited to see what shook out between the Mavs and Clippers... But $52,000,000 is definitely more tangible than a *chance* at winning a ring. I definitely don't fault the guy.

come on bro, it wasn't clear if dj was gonna sign, instead he chose a team that's solid they were lacking a big guy now they have it, i think they're gonna be a 6th seed this season

Underdog · 07-18-2015, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by FreshJive

At the time, Phoenix was going to use the Tyson signing to make a push for LMA. So, there was a chance at contending in Phoenix.

Maybe, but I doubt Phoenix's flirtation with Aldridge played much into Chandler's decision... Honestly, his chances of winning a ring with the Clippers was probably better than the Suns' chances of signing Aldridge.

No, Phoenix had to make a power move to even get into the room with LMA, and overpaying Tyson was their best chance... I mean, who else was going to dedicate $52m over 4 years to a 32-year-old center? Nobody. And Ty was smart enough to take their money without hesitation.

Like I said, I don't blame the guy... But if winning rings was a priority over getting paid, then he should have waited to see how things shook out between the Clippers and Mavericks.

FreshJive · 07-18-2015, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Maybe, but I doubt Phoenix's flirtation with Aldridge played much into Chandler's decision... Honestly, his chances of winning a ring with the Clippers was probably better than the Suns' chances of signing Aldridge.

No, Phoenix had to make a power move to even get into the room with LMA, and overpaying Tyson was their best chance... I mean, who else was going to dedicate $52m over 4 years to a 32-year-old center? Nobody. And Ty was smart enough to take their money without hesitation.

Like I said, I don't blame the guy... But if winning rings was a priority over getting paid, then he should have waited to see how things shook out between the Clippers and Mavericks.

You could be right about his motivations, but I think he would have been offered the same contract from the losing team of the Deandre debacle. Here is what Tyson said: "When you get to my position, you look at 'Where will I fit? Where can I really help and make the most impact?' Looking at the Phoenix Suns roster and competing against them last year...I saw there was a lot of potential there."
I'm sure there is some truth to it.