2014 Offseason Thread

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by sefant77

Well lets say its Wright/Dalembert/Ellington/Larkin:

- the Knicks get some young talent, they could keep them longterm
- they split Chandlers huge expiring contract into several small ones what makes following trades much easier

So it still depends on Carmelo leaving. If he goes they dump Chandler. But Chandlers trade value isnt really high as 32y old with heavy expiring contract. I doubt a team throws a 1st in such a trade. With the new CBA picks got MUCH more valuable...

I agree with everything you're saying, in essence. Depends on how highly Knicks value Wright, Larkin, etc.

My point though was that NY is in a pretty favorable position to walk away from any Chandler deal they don't like. If Melo leaves its all about 2015. I'm not saying Chandler is worth a first rounder or that another team would surrender one for him. I'm just saying if I'm not all too keen on Larkin or Wright then I can just roll it over till next season. Luxury tax isn't a huge deal for NY I wouldn't imagine.

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by Kante

Anthony has opted out, or informed the Knicks to do so. Which could help the Mavs get Chandler...?

He still could re-sign with NYK though.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by sefant77

Well lets say its Wright/Dalembert/Ellington/Larkin:

- the Knicks get some young talent, they could keep them longterm
- they split Chandlers huge expiring contract into several small ones what makes following trades much easier

So it still depends on Carmelo leaving. If he goes they dump Chandler. But Chandlers trade value isnt really high as 32y old with heavy expiring contract. I doubt a team throws a 1st in such a trade. With the new CBA picks got MUCH more valuable...

Why would you include Dalembert in that deal? The salaries don't have to match because we're under the cap, the Knicks probably don't want him, and we need to keep a quality big on hand to back up an injury-prone Chandler.

[spreedom]

With Daly's attitude when he got benched midway through the season, I would almost insist on trading him if we were acquiring a starting-caliber center. He gave absolutely miserable efforts off of the bench. I think he's a pretty decent option as a starter, but off the bench I think almost any player who is willing to accept a bench role would be a better option, on and off the court.

[dirt_dobber]

Harris wants at least a three-year contract

FRISCO -- Devin Harris said "it's a good possibility'' he'll be back playing for the Dallas Mavericks again next season.

Now it's just a matter of negotiating his new contract.

A 10-year veteran point guard, Harris becomes a free agent on July 1 and is looking for at least a three-year contract. Asked if the three-year, $9 million free agent offer that the Mavs pulled off the table last year when they discovered he had an injured toe would suffice, Harris said: "That's a good starting point.''

Harris, 31, said he also would like to see the Mavs re-sign forward Dirk Nowitzki.

"It starts with (Nowitzki),'' Harris said. "Once we get him we can follow suit.

"Vince (Carter), I would like to see back as well. As well as Shawn (Marion).''

In 40 games this past season with the Mavs, Harris averaged 7.9 points and 4.5 assists in only 20.5 minutes per game. In the meantime Harris will be one of several athletes from various professional sports who will play in Dirk Nowitzki's Heroes Celebrity Baseball Game at 6 tonight at Dr Pepper Ballpark.

-- Dwain Price

Source: http://sportsblogs.star-telegram.com...#storylink=cpy

[sefant77]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Why would you include Dalembert in that deal? The salaries don't have to match because we're under the cap, the Knicks probably don't want him, and we need to keep a quality big on hand to back up an injury-prone Chandler.

Because it would eat into our cap...thats why i throw him in.

But could be also Wright+Ellington+Larkin...with Calderon/Harris/Ellis there is no really a place for Larkin. But of course, less cap.

If we trade Dalembert too we may could get Okafor, maybe even for less than Dalemberts salary

[spreedom]

Originally Posted by dirt_dobber

Harris wants at least a three-year contract

FRISCO -- Devin Harris said "it's a good possibility'' he'll be back playing for the Dallas Mavericks again next season.

Now it's just a matter of negotiating his new contract.

A 10-year veteran point guard, Harris becomes a free agent on July 1 and is looking for at least a three-year contract. Asked if the three-year, $9 million free agent offer that the Mavs pulled off the table last year when they discovered he had an injured toe would suffice, Harris said: "That's a good starting point.''

Harris, 31, said he also would like to see the Mavs re-sign forward Dirk Nowitzki.

"It starts with (Nowitzki),'' Harris said. "Once we get him we can follow suit.

"Vince (Carter), I would like to see back as well. As well as Shawn (Marion).''

In 40 games this past season with the Mavs, Harris averaged 7.9 points and 4.5 assists in only 20.5 minutes per game. In the meantime Harris will be one of several athletes from various professional sports who will play in Dirk Nowitzki's Heroes Celebrity Baseball Game at 6 tonight at Dr Pepper Ballpark.

-- Dwain Price

Source: http://sportsblogs.star-telegram.com...#storylink=cpy

Whatever it takes.

[sefant77]

I would prefer two years with his injury history. If he wants more than 3y 9m, then good luck somewhere else again.

[dirt_dobber]

I'm good with 2 years with a team option for the 3rd year.
Will this be Harris's last NBA contract?

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by dirt_dobber

I'm good with 2 years with a team option for the 3rd year.
Will this be Harris's last NBA contract?

I'd say it will be his last multi-year deal. He'll hang around on a couple few one year deals after that, health willing.

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by sefant77

Because it would eat into our cap...thats why i throw him in.

But could be also Wright+Ellington+Larkin...with Calderon/Harris/Ellis there is no really a place for Larkin. But of course, less cap.

If we trade Dalembert too we may could get Okafor, maybe even for less than Dalemberts salary

I think UD is hoping/assuming the Chandler deal comes after we sign Free-Agents. That way we can sign the guys we want and then exceed the cap in the trade for Chandler.

[spreedom]

Per Marc Stein's twitter (sorry can't link, on my phone): Mavs expect a face-to-face pitch opportunity with Melo. Also will be pursuing Pau this summer.

Edit: I love the prospect of Pau as an elite 4/5 backup and occasional starter... probably can't play extended minutes next to Dirk or as a full-time starting PF but he's still an extremely skilled player.

[grndmstr_c]

Originally Posted by spreedom

Per Marc Stein's twitter (sorry can't link, on my phone): Mavs expect a face-to-face pitch opportunity with Melo. Also will be pursuing Pau this summer.

Edit: I love the prospect of Pau as an elite 4/5 backup and occasional starter... probably can't play extended minutes next to Dirk or as a full-time starting PF but he's still an extremely skilled player.

Interesting about Pau. Coming from Stein that's significant. Something of a gamble, but I likewise think he'd be a great fit as a 6th man at the 4/5 if he can get his health back on track.

[Vinsanity]

I hope yall realize that Pau Gasol would be our starting center if we end up signing him (unless we also get Tyson). He's not gonna backup Samuel freaking Dalembert..... I know he's not an ideal fit next to Dirk, but you aren't gonna bring a guy who put up 18ppg & 10rpg off your bench in favor of Dalembert... it just won't happen.

[BGMaverick9]

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

Interesting about Pau. Coming from Stein that's significant. Something of a gamble, but I likewise think he'd be a great fit as a 6th man at the 4/5 if he can get his health back on track.

He would be the starting center of the team if he's brought on board. He would then log backup PF minutes.

In addition, he's likely the secondary option at center, behind trying to get Tyson.

[grndmstr_c]

Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

He would be the starting center of the team if he's brought on board. He would then log backup PF minutes.

In addition, he's likely the secondary option at center, behind trying to get Tyson.

I'll take you at your word on the first point, though I think his overall impact would be best if he came off the bench. What's best and what you can sell a player on are obviously two different things, though.

Not surprised he's not their first option. A little surprised that he'd be second(ary), though that might just be because I've been mostly staying clear of the offseason merry-go-round to this point.

Hear anything about Pierce? I'm curious if he's on their radar.

[BGMaverick9]

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

I'll take you at your word on the first point, though I think his overall impact would be best if he came off the bench. What's best and what you can sell a player on are obviously two different things, though.

Not surprised he's not their first option. A little surprised that he'd be second(ary), though that might just be because I've been mostly staying clear of the offseason merry-go-round to this point.

Hear anything about Pierce? I'm curious if he's on their radar.

He'd still have an impact because he'll be playing heavier minutes to preserve Dirk during the regular season.

I haven't heard anything with Pierce.

[Five-ofan]

For everyone fixated on chandler, player a per 36 numbers 10.4 ppg, 11.5 rpg, 1.4 bpg .593 fg% Player b 11.8 ppg, 12.1 rpg, 2.1 bpg .568 fg%

[hayth.james.g]

Originally Posted by Five-ofan

For everyone fixated on chandler, player a per 36 numbers 10.4 ppg, 11.5 rpg, 1.4 bpg .593 fg% Player b 11.8 ppg, 12.1 rpg, 2.1 bpg .568 fg%

Opp fg % at rim? And do share who the two are

[Five-ofan]

Originally Posted by hayth.james.g

Opp fg % at rim? And do share who the two are

Not sure about the opp fg% at the rim, but player as team was 0.2 points per 100 defensively with him on the floor than without Him. Player bs team was 2.9 points per 100 possessions better with him on the floor. Player a is chandler this year, player b is dalembert this year.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by mac222b

He still could re-sign with NYK though.

I thought he was opting out so he COULD sign with the knicks for more money
And years.

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by Five-ofan

For everyone fixated on chandler, player a per 36 numbers 10.4 ppg, 11.5 rpg, 1.4 bpg .593 fg% Player b 11.8 ppg, 12.1 rpg, 2.1 bpg .568 fg%

Lol at this. Daly adds very little to the chemistry of the team. Chandler singlehandedly changed the defensive minds of the entire roster.

[Five-ofan]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Lol at this. Daly adds very little to the chemistry of the team. Chandler singlehandedly changed the defensive minds of the entire roster.

Im not saying dalembert is better(he isn't) but chandler isn't anywhere near as good as he was 3 years ago either

[spreedom]

Originally Posted by Five-ofan

Im not saying dalembert is better(he isn't) but chandler isn't anywhere near as good as he was 3 years ago either

I would still take the guy that I know might actually give a shit (Chandler) over the guy that only plays hard about half of the time (Dalembert) any day, injury history notwithstanding...

[MavzMan]

Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

He would be the starting center of the team if he's brought on board. He would then log backup PF minutes.

I don't know that I would agree with this right off the bat. First impression is that yes, he would be a starter. But after looking at it again, I really think he would become more of a Ginobili type player. He would be the first guy off the bench to keep the offense rolling and solidify the team player mentality. This also matches up with RC's preference of getting Dirk an early game substitution. Ultimately, I see no problem finding enough minutes for him to be counted as a starter without actually starting.

A rotation like this might work ...
-> Sam + Dirk
-> Sam + Pau
-> Pau + Dirk (this would probably get a few more minutes than the others)
-> Sam + Dirk
And then end up with whatever we need:
-> better rim protection? -> Sam
-> better spacing and passing? -> Pau

[spreedom]

I'd love to add Gasol as a super-sub off the bench, but if we'd be signing him to start next to Dirk, I'd pass.

I'm really starting to think that the move to make is to trade a future first for Asik if we could get him for that much or less. At $8.34M he's a huge bargain, and it gives us the flexibility to use the other $10-12M (assuming Dirk is re-signed at about $10M per) to address the starting SF spot... unless we trade Ellis/Calderon for less salary as well... but the best bang-for-your-buck, reliable option on the trade market right now is Asik for sure.

[dirt_dobber]

Would be great to see Pau's passing game - with the quality shooters we have here.

[sefant77]

If the Pau rumors are true i think they want to add in the "No Melo" scenario the SF (Deng, i still think its pretty much a lock as our main realistic target) and big (who is able to backup Dirk 20min) via FA and another big center name via trade.

Pretty much like the McRoberts plan i had.

Deng 10-11m
Harris 3m
Dirk 8-10m
Pau 7m (or McRoberts for less)

And then Chandler/Hibbert/Asik via Wright/Ellington/Larkin/future 1st. But still think Morey wont trade him to Dallas, no way. Only way if its a huge multi-team trade allowing them to dump Lin and sign a big name.

We wont go after Lowry too. Calderon/Harris/Ellis..we wont blow 10-11m on Lowry instead of blowing it for a center/big.

[grndmstr_c]

Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

He'd still have an impact because he'll be playing heavier minutes to preserve Dirk during the regular season.

Part of the reason I like him off the bench. Makes it easy to sub the two out for one another midway through the first quarter and then mix and match from there.

[Floppy]

Originally Posted by sefant77

If the Pau rumors are true i think they want to add in the "No Melo" scenario the SF (Deng, i still think its pretty much a lock as our main realistic target) and big (who is able to backup Dirk 20min) via FA and another big center name via trade.

Pretty much like the McRoberts plan i had.

Deng 10-11m
Harris 3m
Dirk 8-10m
Pau 7m (or McRoberts for less)

And then Chandler/Hibbert/Asik via Wright/Ellington/Larkin/future 1st. But still think Morey wont trade him to Dallas, no way. Only way if its a huge multi-team trade allowing them to dump Lin and sign a big name.

We wont go after Lowry too. Calderon/Harris/Ellis..we wont blow 10-11m on Lowry instead of blowing it for a center/big.

I think its more like this

Mavs trade Mekel + cash for cap space

Dirk $9.5 Million
Pau $9.0 Million
Ariza $8.0 Million
Harris $3.5 Million
Tolliver $2.0 Million or less
Carter $2.7 Million Room exception

PG-Harris / Calderon / Larkin
SG-Ellis / Ellington / Ledo
SF-Ariza / Carter / Crowder
PF-Dirk / Pau / Tolliver / 2nd rd Pick
C-Pau / Dalembert / Wright

Works under the cap and Mavs still have all their 1st round picks and the expirings of Wright / Ellington / Dalembert for other moves


Harris / Ariza provide the perimeter defense

Ariza makes up for Calderon 3 point shooting moving to the bench .

Harris / Ellis / Pau make up for Calderon passing moving to the bench.


I think this team has more than enough defense to go with a very good offense


PG-Harris 24 MPG / Calderon 24 MPG
SG-Ellis 34 MPG / Carter 14 MPG
SF-Ariza 34 MPG / Crowder 14 MPG
PF-Dirk 30 MPG / Pau 18 MPG
C-Pau 12 MPG / Dalembert 20 MPG / Wright 18 MPG

[hayth.james.g]

Originally Posted by sefant77

If the Pau rumors are true i think they want to add in the "No Melo" scenario the SF (Deng, i still think its pretty much a lock as our main realistic target) and big (who is able to backup Dirk 20min) via FA and another big center name via trade.

Pretty much like the McRoberts plan i had.

Deng 10-11m
Harris 3m
Dirk 8-10m
Pau 7m (or McRoberts for less)

And then Chandler/Hibbert/Asik via Wright/Ellington/Larkin/future 1st. But still think Morey wont trade him to Dallas, no way. Only way if its a huge multi-team trade allowing them to dump Lin and sign a big name.

We wont go after Lowry too. Calderon/Harris/Ellis..we wont blow 10-11m on Lowry instead of blowing it for a center/big.

For 7m per year I could see Gasol being a good value. I think he will probably command as much as 9-10 mill per year though, and for that price I would much rather make a push for a Parsons. Heck, honestly I would rather just take a swing for Stephenson.

Right now I am just rooting for Melo, Lebron, or any other "superstar" to go to the Rockets. Honestly I have no faith in their ability to win a championship, and I would absolutely love the chance at getting Parsons for the next 4 years. Asik would be a great addition to our team, but like others have said.. I seriously doubt they would be willing to trade to us.

Honestly, I am really hoping the Gasol rumur doesn't not come to fruition. We need defense in the post if we want to contend for a championship... if we add Deng, Parsons, or even Ariza to the 3 spot OFFENSE will not be an issue. There are so many interesting possibilities for this off season... if we walked away with a Calderon/Ellis/Deng/Dirk/Gasol staring lineup with Harris, Crowder, Carter, and Delembert off the bench I would be disappointed. That lineup would give us zero defense, no building blocks for the future, and a marginally increased chance at winning a title. I understand why everyone was excited with the way we pushed the Spurs in the playoffs, but people need to remember that we BARELY made the playoffs.. and I mean barely. Dirk is NOT going to play any better than last year. If we want to comfortably make the playoffs next year (not 6-8 seed) we need to find a way to increase our wins by 5-6 next year while dropping Dirk's minutes.

[spreedom]

I really don't see Vince taking the room exception to come back here... I think, unless he takes a minimum deal to join SAS or Miami or someone like that, his price tag starts at $4M.

[spreedom]

Originally Posted by hayth.james.g

For 7m per year I could see Gasol being a good value. I think he will probably command as much as 9-10 mill per year though, and for that price I would much rather make a push for a Parsons. Heck, honestly I would rather just take a swing for Stephenson.

Right now I am just rooting for Melo, Lebron, or any other "superstar" to go to the Rockets. Honestly I have no faith in their ability to win a championship, and I would absolutely love the chance at getting Parsons for the next 4 years. Asik would be a great addition to our team, but like others have said.. I seriously doubt they would be willing to trade to us.

Honestly, I am really hoping the Gasol rumur doesn't not come to fruition. We need defense in the post if we want to contend for a championship... if we add Deng, Parsons, or even Ariza to the 3 spot OFFENSE will not be an issue. There are so many interesting possibilities for this off season... if we walked away with a Calderon/Ellis/Deng/Dirk/Gasol staring lineup with Harris, Crowder, Carter, and Delembert off the bench I would be disappointed.

LeBron/Melo joining Houston won't really impact their ability to re-sign Parsons because his cap hold is so small, less than $2M. Assuming they can trade Asik/Lin for no salary (which I think will be relatively easy to do), they'd have to be really foolish and irresponsible with the rest of their cap space to price themselves out of a quality FA signing and Parsons. Unless their owner refuses to pay the luxury tax.

[BGMaverick9]

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

Part of the reason I like him off the bench. Makes it easy to sub the two out for one another midway through the first quarter and then mix and match from there.

A lot of it depends on who is here, but I could see Dirk subbing out, Dalemebert coming in and Pau sliding to the 4.

Originally Posted by spreedom

I really don't see Vince taking the room exception to come back here... I think, unless he takes a minimum deal to join SAS or Miami or someone like that, his price tag starts at $4M.

So you think at 36 he sees an increase from his last deal?

[spreedom]

Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

So you think at 36 he sees an increase from his last deal?

On the free agent market, with the role he filled and the production he gave, I definitely think he can get 2-3 years at $10-12M total. Yeah. Keep in mind that him taking the 3yr/$10.5M (or whatever it was) deal was WAY below his market value... but he willingly took a paycut to re-establish himself. Definitely not taking the Room Exception unless he knows something we don't.

[hayth.james.g]

Originally Posted by Floppy

I think its more like this

Mavs trade Mekel + cash for cap space

Dirk $9.5 Million
Pau $9.0 Million
Ariza $8.0 Million
Harris $3.5 Million
Tolliver $2.0 Million or less
Carter $2.7 Million Room exception

PG-Harris / Calderon / Larkin
SG-Ellis / Ellington / Ledo
SF-Ariza / Carter / Crowder
PF-Dirk / Pau / Tolliver / 2nd rd Pick
C-Pau / Dalembert / Wright

Works under the cap and Mavs still have all their 1st round picks and the expirings of Wright / Ellington / Dalembert for other moves


Harris / Ariza provide the perimeter defense

Ariza makes up for Calderon 3 point shooting moving to the bench .

Harris / Ellis / Pau make up for Calderon passing moving to the bench.


I think this team has more than enough defense to go with a very good offense


PG-Harris 24 MPG / Calderon 24 MPG
SG-Ellis 34 MPG / Carter 14 MPG
SF-Ariza 34 MPG / Crowder 14 MPG
PF-Dirk 30 MPG / Pau 18 MPG
C-Pau 12 MPG / Dalembert 20 MPG / Wright 18 MPG

I disagree. That lineup does not have enough defense to contend for a championship. We are coming out of the West. We had the worst defense of any playoff team last year.. and we were considered the exception not the rule. Don't forget we were playing for our playoff livelihood at the end of the season... this is because our defense was horrible. Ariza is not a complete game changer over Marion. He's an upgrade, but not an overhaul. For that matter playing Pau any minutes at the Center position is a downgrade defensively from what we saw last year. His added offense I would consider irrelevant as offense had very little to do with our struggles. Sure he drops Dirk's minutes which is nice (32-30 from your estimate), but its not enough.

Some other points I think I would contest.

1. The value of Ariza. He is going to command a contract of about 8-10 million a year. He is a career 33% 3pt shooter..... one good year should not convince us that he will continue shooting 40% from 3. Sure he plays solid defense.. but honestly I would much rather add a P.J. Tucker for less money.

2. I think its unrealistic to say that Pau and Dirk will only be in the game together for 12 minutes a game.. maybe I am wrong? That seems abit low. I would say Pau would be seeing closer to a 50/50 split at the 4/5. Again playoff teams we stand very little chance of stopping anyone with Dirk and Gasol defending the paint.

[hayth.james.g]

Originally Posted by spreedom

LeBron/Melo joining Houston won't really impact their ability to re-sign Parsons because his cap hold is so small, less than $2M. Assuming they can trade Asik/Lin for no salary (which I think will be relatively easy to do), they'd have to be really foolish and irresponsible with the rest of their cap space to price themselves out of a quality FA signing and Parsons. Unless their owner refuses to pay the luxury tax.

Can you explain this to me? I guess I just dont know how the RFA works... I thought since they were declining Chandler Parsons option, he comes a restricted free agent and thus we can offer him whatever we want and the only way they can keep him is if they match. If we offer him 4/50 .. how could they afford to keep him and sign a "superstar" free agent?

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by hayth.james.g

Can you explain this to me? I guess I just dont know how the RFA works... I thought since they were declining Chandler Parsons option, he comes a restricted free agent and thus we can offer him whatever we want and the only way they can keep him is if they match. If we offer him 4/50 .. how could they afford to keep him and sign a "superstar" free agent?

Because they can sign a superstar free agent, then go over the cap to keep Parsons.

[hayth.james.g]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Because they can sign a superstar free agent, then go over the cap to keep Parsons.

Gotcha. Seems like a tough situation for Parsons if Melo comes to Houston though. Him coming off the bench?

[Five-ofan]

Originally Posted by spreedom

I would still take the guy that I know might actually give a shit (Chandler) over the guy that only plays hard about half of the time (Dalembert) any day, injury history notwithstanding...

Obviously. But dalembert also costs more than 12 million less than chandler