Dirk Should Move On

[babakhaan1]

I think guys it is time we let Dirk move on to another contender and let him win a ring he deserves.

Being a mav has helped us learn one thing the people around DIRK do not have a heart to play the game but rather to milk the owner for the few extra $$$. Yes i am talking about the Kidds the Dankpiers and the Terrys.


Dirk should not renew his contract and should opt out he deserves a ring which he will never achieve as a mav. The current cast around him aint going no where for 2 years so might as well ditch them as they keep ditching him.

I for one will not be mad or angry at Dirk going to lebron or the kobes or any other contender where he can win now or regret being a mav for life later.

[ItGetzReal]

Originally Posted by babakhaan1

I think guys it is time we let Dirk move on to another contender and let him win a ring he deserves.

Being a mav has helped us learn one thing the people around DIRK do not have a heart to play the game but rather to milk the owner for the few extra $$$. Yes i am talking about the Kidds the Dankpiers and the Terrys.


Dirk should not renew his contract and should opt out he deserves a ring which he will never achieve as a mav. The current cast around him aint going no where for 2 years so might as well ditch them as they keep ditching him.

I for one will not be mad or angry at Dirk going to lebron or the kobes or any other contender where he can win now or regret being a mav for life later.

He still has a chance If mark makes a play for a big free agent. I'm not talking about collecting some more b- players to surround Dirk with either. We need to snatch a D wade , Lebron , Amare , Bosh. If not then I say let Dirk go and rebuild the team.

[SMC0007]

IMO When you leave here you are the enemy, regardless! I loved Nash but when he enjoyed beating us, he became the enemy.

Also, it begins and ends with the star of the team. If he can't get it done as the #1 option maybe he doesn't need to be the #1 option. Perhaps this is a similar case as KG.

[conjurer]

It wouldn't surprise me nor would I blame him, if he opts out. There's only so much pain a man can take, and he took at least twice as much. Hopefully, he ends up with a team in the east such that we don't have to face him early in the play-offs ( if we should ever reach them w/o him ;-) ... )

[DNowitzki41mavs]

Im totally agree with you, you cant be mad at Dirk if he decides to change. He deserves a ring.

[u2sarajevo]

Wow, the give up is strong on this board.

[LonghornDub]

Series isn't even over yet. Good god this thread sucks.

[muzak]

I would be sad if Dirk became a ring chaser. What kind of pride is there in ring chasing? It's cheapened. I have more respect for someone like Reggie Miller who didn't get a ring but remained loyal.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by u2sarajevo

Wow, the give up is strong on this team.

[Dtownsfinest]

I'm sorry but you're not a fan of the Mavs if you wish for Dirk to leave. What the hell is that? What possible reason would you have for wanting to see Dirk win a ring with another team? That's the biggest insult there is to a franchise. And its nothing against Dirk. He needs to do what's best for him. I'm speaking for fans who want to see him win on another team.

[mac222b]

the series is not over

[elec99]

I dont think dirk can be the first scoring option. I cannot think of another team with a trophy where the PF was the primary scoring option, and I mean a PF who doesnt play with his back to the basket in the post.

Does it make a difference? Hells yeah, when those jump shots dry up against a great defensive team in the POs, the one thing you can rely on is backing someone down and/or kicking out. Instead, the ball goes to dirk on an iso play, and when it's a tight game in the POs, we have seen those shots dont go down.

If you cant get a post player like bosh, then you need a slasher taller than 5' 6". Mavs have too many jump shooters.

[crispin2k253172]

dirk should just go over to san antonio and play along with timmy..now that would be a championship caliber team.. at least he would still be here in texas...

[fluid.forty.one]

I think the original poster should move on.

[pimptaddy]

Originally Posted by babakhaan1

I think guys it is time we let Dirk move on to another contender and let him win a ring he deserves.

Being a mav has helped us learn one thing the people around DIRK do not have a heart to play the game but rather to milk the owner for the few extra $$$. Yes i am talking about the Kidds the Dankpiers and the Terrys.


Dirk should not renew his contract and should opt out he deserves a ring which he will never achieve as a mav. The current cast around him aint going no where for 2 years so might as well ditch them as they keep ditching him.

I for one will not be mad or angry at Dirk going to lebron or the kobes or any other contender where he can win now or regret being a mav for life later.

no. the mavs should gut this team and only keep dirk. Then get a stud Free agent like bosh, lebron or someone maybe wade and have two legit studs.

[CadBane]

Originally Posted by elec99

I dont think dirk can be the first scoring option. I cannot think of another team with a trophy where the PF was the primary scoring option, and I mean a PF who doesnt play with his back to the basket in the post.

Does it make a difference? Hells yeah, when those jump shots dry up against a great defensive team in the POs, the one thing you can rely on is backing someone down and/or kicking out. Instead, the ball goes to dirk on an iso play, and when it's a tight game in the POs, we have seen those shots dont go down.

If you cant get a post player like bosh, then you need a slasher taller than 5' 6". Mavs have too many jump shooters.

This is the absolute stupidest post I have ever seen.

Dirk is putting up 28/9/3 on 54/67/97 shooting.

Yeah, you just can't win with a first option putting up those kinds of numbers. If only he could be the presence Duncan is, putting up 20/10/3....Oh wait.

Dirk, again, has been absolutely brilliant in the playoffs. Dirk can't win a championship as a first option? You're clueless. NO star, not even LeBron, could win a ring with this team.

Yeah, it's Dirk's fault his teammates shoot under 40% on wide open shots. It's his fault they can't create their own shot to save their life.

Give Dirk Manu, Parker and Hill, this series is already OVER.

I'm so sick of the "post presence" nonsense. First of all, almost ALL Dirk does is play in the post. It doesn't matter if it's the high post or the low-post. Dirk is THIRD IN THE NBA IN PLAYOFF FTS MADE. That's despite the atrocious officiating of the previous 2 games. He's going to the line more than any alleged "post presence", so what's your fucking point?

Dirk is one of the best closers in the game. YOUR team has been hard doubling him in the 4th quarter. Dirk has done the right thing and got guys open shots. Problem is (Sans Terry, who hit a few threes off Dirk doubles last night) no one can hit a open shot, or they're too scared to take it.

Despite all that, Dirk is averaging the same assists as Duncan (less turnovers too). Dirk can EASILY win a ring as the first option (he already should have with a starting lineup that featured DeSagna Diop and Adrian mf'ing Griffin). What he needs is teammates that can create their own damn shot, or at least hit an open one.

[mac222b]

Dirk is not the problem. he passed beautifully out of the double team last night. Kidd has been our second best player all year. he's been neutralized. every one else has been inconsisitent- Rick Carlisle most of all

[GermanDunk]

Couldn´t the mods just open a trash category where crappy threads can be moved to ?

[Zki41]

For the record, whoever mentioned that we should go after Bosh in this thread, well, he would be an improvement, but honestly he is not the answer for what we need. Bosh wants to win, but he wants to also be an alpha-dog. Dirk would be a second option, he has no ego about it, except there is only a few people he could be a second option to (LeBron, Kobe, etc.). I could tell that with Dirk and Bosh and their style of play, there would be a huge clash (more on Bosh than on Dirk). Bosh seems to be a premadonna anyway. There are rumors of him going to OKC because Bosh is exactly what they need, but I think winning, while a priority, is not one of his biggest priorities.

We need to lure Dwyane Wade, Joe Johnson, etc. here. I think some players can accept coming off the bench on a stacked roster as long as they get a good chunk of minutes.

[LSMF]

I don't know how you can blame anyone for thinking Dirk should leave. Personally, I feel if Management can make something good out of the Dust chip then he should stay. But if they make crappy moves the guy should leave. And yes, I love Dirk Nowitzki like no other player in this league. And yes, it would epically suck for us to see him go. But if at the end of the year, I saw Dirk celebrating with a Larry O'brien trophy in his hand It would hurt less. How many times have you heard that Dirk will NEVER win a ring? Dirk is a choker, Dirk is soft, Dirk will join the list of other great players that never won a championship.

That right there is my biggest concern. I hope Dirk gets that championship one day. That man is a gentle, kind and hardworking superstar who has worked his way to the top. He deserves that championship. And I really hope he wins it with us but I must be realistic and say that it might not happen. The guy has played for us for 12 Years. And its been 12 years of different kinds of disappointments and heartbreak. Yes, early on their was always hope. But look at us now. The optimism is gone, Dirk is getting up there in age. All I know, is that if he leaves this team it will hurt like hell but if I see that man win a ring that pain will go away. Thats just me though, I'm sure others will feel differently.

[ghazi]

I hope the team doesn't have the same defeatist mentality as some of our fans!

[dallass]

Originally Posted by CadBane

This is the absolute stupidest post I have ever seen.

Dirk is putting up 28/9/3 on 54/67/97 shooting.

Yeah, you just can't win with a first option putting up those kinds of numbers. If only he could be the presence Duncan is, putting up 20/10/3....Oh wait.

Dirk, again, has been absolutely brilliant in the playoffs. Dirk can't win a championship as a first option? You're clueless. NO star, not even LeBron, could win a ring with this team.

Yeah, it's Dirk's fault his teammates shoot under 40% on wide open shots. It's his fault they can't create their own shot to save their life.

Give Dirk Manu, Parker and Hill, this series is already OVER.

I'm so sick of the "post presence" nonsense. First of all, almost ALL Dirk does is play in the post. It doesn't matter if it's the high post or the low-post. Dirk is THIRD IN THE NBA IN PLAYOFF FTS MADE. That's despite the atrocious officiating of the previous 2 games. He's going to the line more than any alleged "post presence", so what's your fucking point?

Dirk is one of the best closers in the game. YOUR team has been hard doubling him in the 4th quarter. Dirk has done the right thing and got guys open shots. Problem is (Sans Terry, who hit a few threes off Dirk doubles last night) no one can hit a open shot, or they're too scared to take it.

Despite all that, Dirk is averaging the same assists as Duncan (less turnovers too). Dirk can EASILY win a ring as the first option (he already should have with a starting lineup that featured DeSagna Diop and Adrian mf'ing Griffin). What he needs is teammates that can create their own damn shot, or at least hit an open one.

no your post is dumber ! first of all the spurs got tony,manu,and hill all in the 2nd round of a draft these are not 1st round picks moron their office is better at getting these quality players lets face it our organization wants to try and buy a championship we currently on paper have a better team than san antonio and were def paying our players more than they are so whats the difference?? their foundation is strong and ours is weak bottom line cuban and our f.o need to take some notes on the way the spurs do things, there i said it. everyone quite acting like children and admit it

[CadBane]

Originally Posted by dallass

no your post is dumber ! first of all the spurs got tony,manu,and hill all in the 2nd round of a draft these are not 1st round picks moron their office is better at getting these quality players lets face it our organization wants to try and buy a championship we currently on paper have a better team than san antonio and were def paying our players more than they are so whats the difference?? their foundation is strong and ours is weak bottom line cuban and our f.o need to take some notes on the way the spurs do things, there i said it. everyone quite acting like children and admit it

I don't even know where to begin.

[cowdog80]

Originally Posted by babakhaan1

I think guys it is time we let Dirk move on to another contender and let him win a ring he deserves.

Being a mav has helped us learn one thing the people around DIRK do not have a heart to play the game but rather to milk the owner for the few extra $$$. Yes i am talking about the Kidds the Dankpiers and the Terrys.


Dirk should not renew his contract and should opt out he deserves a ring which he will never achieve as a mav. The current cast around him aint going no where for 2 years so might as well ditch them as they keep ditching him.

I for one will not be mad or angry at Dirk going to lebron or the kobes or any other contender where he can win now or regret being a mav for life later.

I don't know about what he deserves. There are other guys who have won championships with lesser supporting casts than Dirk has been given. It's possible that he's more a second fiddle (although a darn good one) on a championship team.

[CadBane]

Originally Posted by cowdog80

I don't know about what he deserves. There are other guys who have won championships with lesser supporting casts than Dirk has been given. It's possible that he's more a second fiddle (although a darn good one) on a championship team.

Again, that's such a load of crap. Name ONE championship team in the last decade who's second best player was as bad as Josh Howard.

[sec24row7]

I think Dirk can win a ring as the #1 option, I just think you guys have gotten away from building for chemistry and are just throwing allstars together. That can win a lot of games... but can expose you in the playoffs. Look what happened to the Lakers in 2004 with their 4 HOF players. One thing you have never had in your locker room is a real sense of family. You have too many egos and attitudes.

The only attitude and ego in the Spur's locker room is the Team's.

[CadBane]

Not to mention Manu and Parker are better than any player on the Mavs roster not named Dirk...

[mavsfan4lyfe201]

the hell dirk should go play with tim duncan.

dirk is my favorite player like many mavs fans...but him in a spurs uniform means hes no longer the same player..

hes loyal and hell likely stay here, but i dont blame him if he opts out, he deserves a ring no doubt, hes a tough, superstar, hall of famer..

and honestly if we get booted in round 1..maybe it is time for a change, as much as it hurts to think about.. who knows what cuban will do, he could blow the team up, have a fire sale.. or just deal butler..or he could try to improve the team and sign an elite player..

either way no one saw this 3-1 defecit coming..

while i have faith in that they can win this series, i cant bring myself to watch a game unless its game 7..i hope theyve saved their best..

[Five-ofan]

Screw every one that thinks this way. A) this series isnt over. Stop acting like it is. Damn im glad im not on a team with any of you. B) You dont go hop on another bandwagon to win a title. Thats cheap and its not the same. Yeah its nice to have the ring for your legacy but does anyone really think higher of GP because he won a ring with the heat? I sure as hell dont.

[Five-ofan]

Originally Posted by elec99

I dont think dirk can be the first scoring option. I cannot think of another team with a trophy where the PF was the primary scoring option, and I mean a PF who doesnt play with his back to the basket in the post.

Does it make a difference? Hells yeah, when those jump shots dry up against a great defensive team in the POs, the one thing you can rely on is backing someone down and/or kicking out. Instead, the ball goes to dirk on an iso play, and when it's a tight game in the POs, we have seen those shots dont go down.

If you cant get a post player like bosh, then you need a slasher taller than 5' 6". Mavs have too many jump shooters.

Funny considering who were playing. And yes duncan is largely a faceup scorer. Also its old but the bob pettit hawks definately did that and the larry bird celtics are close(he played alot like a pf with passing ability)

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by Five-ofan

Screw every one that thinks this way. A) this series isnt over. Stop acting like it is. Damn im glad im not on a team with any of you. B) You dont go hop on another bandwagon to win a title. Thats cheap and its not the same. Yeah its nice to have the ring for your legacy but does anyone really think higher of GP because he won a ring with the heat? I sure as hell dont.

+1

[CadBane]

I'd like to point out the issue of help to those doubting Dirk as a first option:

Dirk is putting up 29/9/3 on 54/68/97 shooting.

Terry is putting up 15 on 41%
Butler 15 on 39%
Matrix 9 on 41%
Kidd 9 on 29%

Meanwhile, Duncan is putting up 20/10/3.

Manu putting up 20 on 45%
Parker 17 on 50%
Hill 13 on 46%
Jefferson 11 on 57%

Just a little food for though:

There is not ONE, not a SINGLE playoff team with a second leading scorer with a lower PPG than Terry.

Also, there is not ONE playoff team that doesn't have a 2nd, 3rd, 4th or 5th scorer shooting at least 45% (let alone the 41% Matrix and Terry top out at).

[Five-ofan]

Originally Posted by CadBane

I'd like to point out the issue of help to those doubting Dirk as a first option:

Dirk is putting up 29/9/3 on 54/68/97 shooting.

Terry is putting up 15 on 41%
Butler 15 on 39%
Matrix 9 on 41%
Kidd 9 on 29%

Meanwhile, Duncan is putting up 20/10/3.

Manu putting up 20 on 45%
Parker 17 on 50%
Hill 13 on 46%
Jefferson 11 on 57%

Just a little food for though:

There is not ONE, not a SINGLE playoff team with a second leading scorer with a lower PPG than Terry.

Also, there is not ONE playoff team that doesn't have a 2nd, 3rd, 4th or 5th scorer shooting at least 45% (let alone the 41% Matrix and Terry top out at).

I agree with your point, but the Magic and Heats second leading scorer are both averaging less.

[Usually Lurkin]

I do think that Dirk needs to move on


to beating the crap out of all the wuss fans who want to quit!

[pepe]

Originally Posted by CadBane

I'd like to point out the issue of help to those doubting Dirk as a first option:

Dirk is putting up 29/9/3 on 54/68/97 shooting.

Terry is putting up 15 on 41%
Butler 15 on 39%
Matrix 9 on 41%
Kidd 9 on 29%

Meanwhile, Duncan is putting up 20/10/3.

Manu putting up 20 on 45%
Parker 17 on 50%
Hill 13 on 46%
Jefferson 11 on 57%

Just a little food for though:

There is not ONE, not a SINGLE playoff team with a second leading scorer with a lower PPG than Terry.

Also, there is not ONE playoff team that doesn't have a 2nd, 3rd, 4th or 5th scorer shooting at least 45% (let alone the 41% Matrix and Terry top out at).

That's the issue with the Mavs, in this series and at least for most part of the season everyone not name Dirk has been sucking in the offensive end at least efficient scoring, when your other options are shooting about 35% FG
collectively the're is not Lebron, Howard, Kobe or Duran that will be doing any better than 1-3 againts the Spurs.

[CadBane]

Originally Posted by Five-ofan

I agree with your point, but the Magic and Heats second leading scorer are both averaging less.

You are correct about the Heat, I overlooked them. Though at least Beasley is shooting 48% . But Orlando still qualifies. Coming into tonight, for Orlando, Jameer is putting up 25 (on 52%), Shard is putting up 15.3 (on 50%). Shard had 17 tonight, so he's now up slightly. That doesn't even include the star, D12. I said "less than Terry", who is at 15.4. Technically, yes, before tonight Shard was .1 PPG behind him (on a superior fg%). But now they have each played four games, and that is not the case.

Wade is the only guy with teammates putting up comparably bad numbers as Dirk's.

[Maringa]

If Dirk leaves, I hope it's for a team in Europe. I think he can get a better contract there.

[Hydhypedplaya]

Originally Posted by CadBane

NO star, not even LeBron, could win a ring with this team.

This has got to be one of the single dumbest things I have EVER read on the internet. I literally started cracking up when I read this line.

I really can't believe you just said that.

Lebron would win multiple championships with this team.

[tcat075]

Originally Posted by CadBane

I'd like to point out the issue of help to those doubting Dirk as a first option:

Dirk is putting up 29/9/3 on 54/68/97 shooting.

Terry is putting up 15 on 41%
Butler 15 on 39%
Matrix 9 on 41%
Kidd 9 on 29%

Meanwhile, Duncan is putting up 20/10/3.

Manu putting up 20 on 45%
Parker 17 on 50%
Hill 13 on 46%
Jefferson 11 on 57%

Just a little food for though:

There is not ONE, not a SINGLE playoff team with a second leading scorer with a lower PPG than Terry.

Also, there is not ONE playoff team that doesn't have a 2nd, 3rd, 4th or 5th scorer shooting at least 45% (let alone the 41% Matrix and Terry top out at).

See, this is a good post. If you did this more often, not insulting and name calling other respected members of the board just because they have a different opinion, I'd have a lot more respect for you. Unfortunately, I doubt you care whether I, or anyone, respects you, because you sure don't act like you want any. That's not an insult, if you're thinking about saying it is...repeated saying jthig or chumdawg need to die or haven't ever watched basketball before is not actions indicative of wanting respect.

[bernardos70]

Hahahaha........ did you know that if a brazilian (like me) reads your name outloud, it sounds just like the word "Babaca" in Portuguese, which means "idiot?" True story, ask Maringa, or probably even Sefant77 knows this (or can consult with his girlfriend).