2019 Mavs Free Agency - Page 33 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

BPo001 · 06-05-2019, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by tap2390

If Kyrie is really going to the Nets we should be blowing up Deangelo Russell the first day of free agency.

Not sure that it means much, but Fish said Mavs aren’t interested in Deangelo on the radio this morning.

tap2390 · 06-05-2019, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BPo001

Not sure that it means much, but Fish said Mavs aren’t interested in Deangelo on the radio this morning.

Well if Fish said we're not getting him, we're definitely getting him.

EricaLubarsky · 06-05-2019, 01:23 PM

Fish reports two things

1) bull crap he pulled from his butt

2) leaked info that he’s hand fed by the MBT

Underdog · 06-05-2019, 02:16 PM

Fish mostly just throws shit at a wall and sees what sticks... Like, he'll come up with every possible scenario, then when the Mavs do something vaguely similar to one of his ideas, he proudly proclaims, "see, I told you so -- as first reported by ME!"... But of course he'll never own up to the fact that the other 99 scenarios he came up with were complete duds.

Broken clocks, blind squirrels, etc.

texasbball · 06-05-2019, 02:20 PM

One other Erica: the painfully obvious. "Dirk retired! Mavs need more players! Film at 11!"

j0Shi · 06-05-2019, 02:39 PM

Fish having a hard time on Twitter because he tricked fans into believing his "Plan K" is classic Fish. The Mavs never had a reasonable shot at Kevin, Kawhi, or Klay, but since it wasn't technically impossible either, they went all in on all kinds of coverage. Of course the Mavs would try to get an "A" free agent, they would be fools not to give the agents a call, but I definitely see why people may feel a little misinformed.

The same happens now with Kemba and Capela btw. He says the Mavs like the pairing and could make it work. I think he has legit sources. But it's probably just one of many possibilities that are discussed internally wile he makes it sound like it's the #1 option the Mavs will go for.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-05-2019, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by j0Shi

Fish having a hard time on Twitter because he tricked fans into believing his "Plan K" is classic Fish. The Mavs never had a reasonable shot at Kevin, Kawhi, or Klay, but since it wasn't technically impossible either, they went all in on all kinds of coverage. Of course the Mavs would try to get an "A" free agent, they would be fools not to give the agents a call, but I definitely see why people may feel a little misinformed.

The same happens now with Kemba and Capela btw. He says the Mavs like the pairing and could make it work. I think he has legit sources. But it's probably just one of many possibilities that are discussed internally wile he makes it sound like it's the #1 option the Mavs will go for.

The Capela stuff was him speculating, and then twitter ran away with it like it was a news source/story. The blame goes both ways, but I've learned how to take Fish's stuff with a grain of salt as I'm sure most do on these boards.

Underdog · 06-05-2019, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by j0Shi

Fish having a hard time on Twitter because he tricked fans into believing his "Plan K" is classic Fish. The Mavs never had a reasonable shot at Kevin, Kawhi, or Klay, but since it wasn't technically impossible either, they went all in on all kinds of coverage. Of course the Mavs would try to get an "A" free agent, they would be fools not to give the agents a call, but I definitely see why people may feel a little misinformed.

The same happens now with Kemba and Capela btw. He says the Mavs like the pairing and could make it work. I think he has legit sources. But it's probably just one of many possibilities that are discussed internally wile he makes it sound like it's the #1 option the Mavs will go for.

Yeah, it's the way that Fish presents his theories as facts that rubs people the wrong way... For example, he recently posted an article about why Jimmy Butler wouldn't come to Dallas, but presented it as a "scoop", even though he didn't cite any sources... Like, not even "sources say" -- he just threw the word "scoop" into the title, but never even bothered to indicate that he heard anything from anyone on the topic.

It's clickbait, nothing more.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-05-2019, 04:38 PM

Problem is all of this time is needed to get money/attention with clicks. Once FA/draft is over it's all going to be dead in the water news-wise.

I seriously can't handle another day of talking about the same FAs and crap. Just ready to sign someone and be done with it.

dirt_dobber · 06-05-2019, 05:06 PM

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I seriously can't handle another day of talking about the same FAs and crap. Just ready to sign someone and be done with it.

I agree - but this FA signing will be one of the most important one for the next couple of years. Pairing someone good/great with Luka/KP

BPo001 · 06-06-2019, 12:48 PM

Tim MacMahon
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@espn_macmahon
Can confirm via sources that Dwight Powell will opt in and sign an extension with Dallas. The Mavs view Powell as a core piece and potential starter. He’s an analytically elite roll man who can defend power forwards, which makes him a good fit with Kristaps Porzingis.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-06-2019, 01:54 PM

Chris Haynes just lost all credibility.

sefant77 · 06-06-2019, 03:50 PM

I just hope its then a 3/30 extension starting in the summer of 2020 and not the maximum opt-in and extend (3/39m).

Yeah work ethic, rim rolling blabla but everything over 10-11m is overpaid. And if he loves Dallas so much he doesnt need to hunt after the maximum money

endtroducing MASKED · 06-06-2019, 03:53 PM

Nets traded Allen Crabbe, #17 and a protected 2020 1st to Atlanta for Taurean Prince and a 2021 2nd rounder. Brooklyn has money for 2 max players now. Atlanta with 3 firsts is definitely going to be doing a lot of dealing

j0Shi · 06-06-2019, 04:22 PM

Man with Nets now two max slots there are simply not enough players for all the money in the major markets. Like, BOTH NY teams and both LA teams can sign 1-2 free agents. What the fuck. Assuming Klay stays put that's Durant, Kyrie, Dlo, Kawhi, Butler you would assume. Even two out of Kemba, Vuc, Middleton, and Harris could fit if they decided not to stay.

I'm just hoping the Mavs have a great sense of who's *really* going to be available and make their move soon into free agency. Because some b/c stars will get overpaid later on from a team that lost out on the bigger names. Not that it's really news, but all the guys I mentioned will easily get a max, maybe even Brogdon.

endtroducing MASKED · 06-06-2019, 04:36 PM

I’m just glad we will never have to worry about as being as bad as the Knicks. They might lose KD AND Kyrie to Brooklyn. Lmao

sefant77 · 06-06-2019, 05:31 PM

Would prefer Durant going east to the Nets than staying west with the Clippers or warriors

turin · 06-06-2019, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

I just hope its then a 3/30 extension starting in the summer of 2020 and not the maximum opt-in and extend (3/39m).

Yeah work ethic, rim rolling blabla but everything over 10-11m is overpaid. And if he loves Dallas so much he doesnt need to hunt after the maximum money

I'm beginning to have nightmares that Powell is going to get a 4-yr max deal with some type of option for a 5th year. I really didn't even want to say it out loud, but the Mavs have just been doing too well with adding Luka, moving DSJ, Barnes, and Mes, while adding KP. They just can't help themselves to at least one self-inflicted gunshot wound. :-O

sefant77 · 06-06-2019, 06:02 PM

McMahon said on Twitter a few weeks ago that for an opt-in and then extend contract the maximum is additional 3y/39m

Underdog · 06-06-2019, 07:34 PM

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Man with Nets now two max slots there are simply not enough players for all the money in the major markets. Like, BOTH NY teams and both LA teams can sign 1-2 free agents. What the fuck. Assuming Klay stays put that's Durant, Kyrie, Dlo, Kawhi, Butler you would assume. Even two out of Kemba, Vuc, Middleton, and Harris could fit if they decided not to stay.

I'm just hoping the Mavs have a great sense of who's *really* going to be available and make their move soon into free agency. Because some b/c stars will get overpaid later on from a team that lost out on the bigger names. Not that it's really news, but all the guys I mentioned will easily get a max, maybe even Brogdon.

Watch, Dwight Powell is going to be our big offseason signing....

saclare · 06-06-2019, 08:58 PM

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Watch, Dwight Powell is going to be our big offseason signing....

It's looking more and more like money-whip Brogdon to me...

No Vucevic for sure if Powell is going to be extended.

Melonhead · 06-07-2019, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Watch, Dwight Powell is going to be our big offseason signing....

The tweet did mention that the Mavs view him as a potential starter...If we get a Kemba or Brogdon (which I highly doubt), Im okay with Powell starting. Not sure what moves the Mavs make...

turin · 06-07-2019, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

The tweet did mention that the Mavs view him as a potential starter...If we get a Kemba or Brogdon (which I highly doubt), Im okay with Powell starting. Not sure what moves the Mavs make...

Gawd I hope this is wrong. THJ + Powell at $30m+ and both starting? Just go ahead and shoot me and put me out of my misery. SMH

endtroducing MASKED · 06-07-2019, 08:52 PM

Been seeing from shadowy sources that probably don’t know anything that we “aren’t interested” in Russell and that’s disappointing. Of all these guys, he best fits the profile of what you’d like I think (age/skill/etc)

particleman · 06-08-2019, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Watch, Dwight Powell is going to be our big offseason signing....

Starting to look like a good offseason to sign a couple of those one year JJ Reddick deals. If we can't land one of the top free agents I really hope we just throw crazy one year deals at guys like Pat Beverly and Ed Davis.

Or how much could we give Brogdon on a one year deal? Maybe he'd bet on himself.

endtroducing MASKED · 06-08-2019, 11:22 AM

Malcolm Brogdon would not take a one year deal, are you kidding?

particleman · 06-08-2019, 11:26 AM

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Malcolm Brogdon would not take a one year deal, are you kidding?

Don't be a dick, I was just asking.

particleman · 06-08-2019, 11:36 AM

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Malcolm Brogdon would not take a one year deal, are you kidding?

Sounds like the Bucks are going to try to sign him to something like a 4 year $60 million deal. If we offered him a 1 year $30 million deal, and the chance at an expanded role, I'd think he'd at least consider it. I'm not sure we can even offer that much, I was hoping someone would chime in with that information, but you're not interested in contributing anything to the conversation but douchery.

It looks like the max we could offer would be $26.7 million. I don't know, I'm just spitballing. I really hope we don't over pay average players on multiyear deals now that we finally have young stars to build around.

JJP · 06-08-2019, 01:03 PM

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Sounds like the Bucks are going to try to sign him to something like a 4 year $60 million deal. If we offered him a 1 year $30 million deal, and the chance at an expanded role, I'd think he'd at least consider it. I'm not sure we can even offer that much, I was hoping someone would chime in with that information, but you're not interested in contributing anything to the conversation but douchery.

It looks like the max we could offer would be $26.7 million. I don't know, I'm just spitballing. I really hope we don't over pay average players on multiyear deals now that we finally have young stars to build around.

Actually, this kind of thing happens a lot. Both the Mavs and Brogdon would understand overpaying on a one-year deal. And it wouldn't be a bad thing for the Mavs. They'd still have money next year. And Brogdon is young enough to get a big contract next year as well.

However, this kind of thing usually happens with older players, and timing is everything in this case. Brogden's contract shouldn't be rocket science and likely won't be a prolonged negotiation. And if not the Bucks then someone else will likely give him a longer deal. So it's not likely to happen.... but overpaying on a one-year deal happens all the time.

oilfieldtrash · 06-08-2019, 02:09 PM

The one year deals don't work. How many times have we signed one year deals and the guys don't buy in and or are complete asses because they know the mavs aren't committed to them anyways. Just sign some young guy with upside to a good deal for both parties involved.

saclare · 06-08-2019, 03:03 PM

The reason I don't think Brogdon would take a 1 year deal is health and the guarantees of a longer contract, all while still preserving his ability to cash in on another contract.

If the Bucks offer 4/$60mm, plenty of teams will swoop in and sign him to a higher offer sheet.

I'm thinking a 4/$72mm contract should get it done, and perhaps offer a player option for the 4th year so he can opt out at age 29 for another pay day. It would be at the top end of rumored AAV, but you have to force the Bucks hand and be aggressive if you really like the player.

I think he could fit in very nicely here.

sefant77 · 06-08-2019, 03:40 PM

Brogdon has 2m in career earnings. He takes the long fat contract

Underdog · 06-08-2019, 04:37 PM

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Brogdon has 2m in career earnings. He takes the long fat contract

Yeah, 1-year candidates mostly include vets who were buried on a bench or players coming off of injury -- basically "prove it" deals that can turn into longer-term paydays.

Brogdon is neither... He's gonna get paid.

mac222b · 06-09-2019, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by saclare

The reason I don't think Brogdon would take a 1 year deal is health and the guarantees of a longer contract, all while still preserving his ability to cash in on another contract.

If the Bucks offer 4/$60mm, plenty of teams will swoop in and sign him to a higher offer sheet.

I'm thinking a 4/$72mm contract should get it done, and perhaps offer a player option for the 4th year so he can opt out at age 29 for another pay day. It would be at the top end of rumored AAV, but you have to force the Bucks hand and be aggressive if you really like the player.

I think he could fit in very nicely here.

If you want to give Bucks pause you need to go to the 4yr-88m range for Brogdon. 50-40-90, secondary ballhandler, versatile defender (was their best guy on Kawhi due to strength, smarts and wingspan but can also check guards. Can get away with guarding 1-4 on switches

Five-ofan · 06-09-2019, 04:38 AM

The one year deal for brogdon is a terrible idea. 1) he isn't Lebron, he's not risking an injury to make sure he has outs if he's in a bad situation, 2) if we signed him to that deal we wouldn't have even early bird rights and therefore couldn't resign him.

sefant77 · 06-09-2019, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

If you want to give Bucks pause you need to go to the 4yr-88m range for Brogdon. 50-40-90, secondary ballhandler, versatile defender (was their best guy on Kawhi due to strength, smarts and wingspan but can also check guards. Can get away with guarding 1-4 on switches

Yeah if you want Brogdon you have to go into a salary range where the signing becomes automatically questionable. Everything else the Bucks easily match.

saclare · 06-09-2019, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

If you want to give Bucks pause you need to go to the 4yr-88m range for Brogdon. 50-40-90, secondary ballhandler, versatile defender (was their best guy on Kawhi due to strength, smarts and wingspan but can also check guards. Can get away with guarding 1-4 on switches

Yea I can totally see that type on contract, too, and still think he's worth it given the landscape of this year's FA crop and massive cap space seemingly everywhere.

Question, aren't there ways to front load a contract like that on an offer sheet?

Say like:

Year 1 - $26mm
Year 2 - $22mm
Year 3 - $22mm
Year 3 - $18mm

Just spitballin', feel free to tell me I'm dumb lol but if possible, obviously forces the Bucks hand a bit while allowing the Mavs flexibility next year and down the line.

sefant77 · 06-09-2019, 08:38 AM

Frontloading would make it easier for the Bucks to match. If 2021 Giannis supermax kicks in, then they are looking at a huge lux tax bill.

saclare · 06-09-2019, 11:45 AM

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Frontloading would make it easier for the Bucks to match. If 2021 Giannis supermax kicks in, then they are looking at a huge lux tax bill.

Gotcha. That makes sense. I'm sure they can get creative then if they really want him.

SMC0007 · 06-09-2019, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

If you want to give Bucks pause you need to go to the 4yr-88m range for Brogdon. 50-40-90, secondary ballhandler, versatile defender (was their best guy on Kawhi due to strength, smarts and wingspan but can also check guards. Can get away with guarding 1-4 on switches

Wow. That's too much too early. I guess anything is possible but I'd be surprised