2019-2020 NBA Season Thread

[sefant77]

Originally Posted by Murphy3

The reality is that blacks are not killed disproportionately by cops when you factor in their violent crime rate.. not at all.

What so many people fail to realize is that cops are leaving cities at an alarming rate because of risk and pay. Some cities are several hundred officers short. Some cities have seen a decrease in applicants by up to 80%. This was before 2020. So now officers are going to leave at an even higher rate and the areas that need extra police presence will have even less. This is an absolute disaster waiting to happen.

Here’s a study from an Ivy League educated man that thought that blacks were disproportionately killed by cops... well, that is at least until he researched it on his own. He was shocked by what he found. https://www.nber.org/papers/w22399.pdf

So because you liked the result of the study you didnt research more about it, huh...

The study generated considerable controversy and criticism.[12][13][14][15] Fryer responded to some of these criticisms in an interview with the New York Times.[16] In 2019, Fryer's paper was published in the Journal of Political Economy.[17] Other scholars criticized Fryer's study, arguing that due to selection bias, he was unable to draw any conclusions about racial bias in shootings from police stops. If police are more likely to stop a black person than a white person, then the average white person that they stop might be dissimilar to the average black person (for example, the white person might be behaving in a more threatening manner), thus leading to faulty inferences about racial bias in shootings. A 2020 study by Princeton University political scientists disputed the findings by Fryer, saying that if police had a higher threshold for stopping whites, this might mean that the whites, Hispanics and blacks in Fryer's data are not similar.[18] Nobel-laureate James Heckman and Steven Durlauf, both University of Chicago economists, published a response to the Fryer study, writing that the paper "does not establish credible evidence on the presence or absence of discrimination against African Americans in police shootings" due to issues with selection bias.[19]. Fryer responded saying Durlauf and Heckman erroneously claim that his sample is "based on stops". Further, he states that the "vast majority of the data...is gleaned from 911 calls for service in which a civilian requests police presence."[20].

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_G._Fryer_Jr.

[Murphy3]

Originally Posted by sefant77

So because you liked the result of the study you didnt research more about it, huh...



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_G._Fryer_Jr.

Yes, I have read critiques of the study. But when I look at FBI data, I completely agree with it..

We have a violent criminal problem here in the US.. much more than any issue associated with the police. You continue to have violent criminals resisting arrest and we will continue to have police shootings. You put cops in a terrible position often enough and there will be incidents. Protest all you want, but these types of incidents will continue to occur as long as a decent percentage of the population acts as if they’re living in the wild west.

[sefant77]

Originally Posted by Murphy3

Yes, I have read critiques of the study. But when I look at FBI data, I completely agree with it..

So you "looked" at FBI data and you decided to completely agree with the study of one single dude, who got called out from several (!) high ranked scientists of high ranked institutions for selection bias in his study...uff...

Again: you like the result of the study, thats why you dont question the study and just decide to agree with it after you did some "own" data analysis.

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by sefant77

So you "looked" at FBI data and you decided to completely agree with the study of one single dude, who got called out from several (!) high ranked scientists of high ranked institutions for selection bias in his study...uff...

Again: you like the result of the study, thats why you dont question the study and just decide to agree with it after you did some "own" data analysis.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to sefant77 again.

[tap2390]

There’s absolutely no question that African Americans are disproportionately injured/ murdered by police officers ESPECIALLY when they have no weapon and pose no threat to the officer. To some extent it is a self fulfilling prophecy. If you inherently distrust the police you’re less likely to follow their directives and more likely to be shot. But no one (NO ONE) deserves to be gunned down by being shot in the back. Also we need to stop all the ridiculous cop/ military worship. They’re both jobs that no one is forcing anyone to do.

This issue overall has taken on a life of its own because it is sensational, but we as Americans have much larger underlying issues we need to tackle. We need to pay people a working wage. We need to emphasize preventative health and make healthy eating accessible. On the flip side, Americans need to accept more personal responsibility. Don’t have more kids if you can’t take care of the ones you have. Stop turning to drugs to cope. VOTE. I’m only 30, but I can’t remember a scarier time for America. There are existential implications for our democracy in the next few months. Godspeed everyone.

[Dtownsfinest]

Originally Posted by tap2390

There’s absolutely no question that African Americans are disproportionately injured/ murdered by police officers ESPECIALLY when they have no weapon and pose no threat to the officer. To some extent it is a self fulfilling prophecy. If you inherently distrust the police you’re less likely to follow their directives and more likely to be shot. But no one (NO ONE) deserves to be gunned down by being shot in the back. Also we need to stop all the ridiculous cop/ military worship. They’re both jobs that no one is forcing anyone to do.

This issue overall has taken on a life of its own because it is sensational, but we as Americans have much larger underlying issues we need to tackle. We need to pay people a working wage. We need to emphasize preventative health and make healthy eating accessible. On the flip side, Americans need to accept more personal responsibility. Don’t have more kids if you can’t take care of the ones you have. Stop turning to drugs to cope. VOTE. I’m only 30, but I can’t remember a scarier time for America. There are existential implications for our democracy in the next few months. Godspeed everyone.

I'm around the same age as you and I'm coming to the same realization. I hate how much this country worships its military and police. I understand what this world and this country would be without it. That's not my issue. My issue is how we put those occupations over our own American lives.

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by tap2390

There’s absolutely no question that African Americans are disproportionately injured/ murdered by police officers ESPECIALLY when they have no weapon and pose no threat to the officer. To some extent it is a self fulfilling prophecy. If you inherently distrust the police you’re less likely to follow their directives and more likely to be shot. But no one (NO ONE) deserves to be gunned down by being shot in the back. Also we need to stop all the ridiculous cop/ military worship. They’re both jobs that no one is forcing anyone to do.

This issue overall has taken on a life of its own because it is sensational, but we as Americans have much larger underlying issues we need to tackle. We need to pay people a working wage. We need to emphasize preventative health and make healthy eating accessible. On the flip side, Americans need to accept more personal responsibility. Don’t have more kids if you can’t take care of the ones you have. Stop turning to drugs to cope. VOTE. I’m only 30, but I can’t remember a scarier time for America. There are existential implications for our democracy in the next few months. Godspeed everyone.

Must spread rep. Co-sign.

[Murphy3]

Originally Posted by mac222b

Must spread rep. Co-sign.

Yes, vote Republican early and often.

[MFFL]

Originally Posted by tap2390

There’s absolutely no question that African Americans are disproportionately injured/ murdered by police officers ESPECIALLY when they have no weapon and pose no threat to the officer. To some extent it is a self fulfilling prophecy. If you inherently distrust the police you’re less likely to follow their directives and more likely to be shot.

Above the Law: The Data Are In on Police, Killing, and Race

https://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2...vNGE6tf6_IdEPM

[Murphy3]

Originally Posted by tap2390

There’s absolutely no question that African Americans are disproportionately injured/ murdered by police officers ESPECIALLY when they have no weapon and pose no threat to the officer. To some extent it is a self fulfilling prophecy. If you inherently distrust the police you’re less likely to follow their directives and more likely to be shot. But no one (NO ONE) deserves to be gunned down by being shot in the back. Also we need to stop all the ridiculous cop/ military worship. They’re both jobs that no one is forcing anyone to do.

This issue overall has taken on a life of its own because it is sensational, but we as Americans have much larger underlying issues we need to tackle. We need to pay people a working wage. We need to emphasize preventative health and make healthy eating accessible. On the flip side, Americans need to accept more personal responsibility. Don’t have more kids if you can’t take care of the ones you have. Stop turning to drugs to cope. VOTE. I’m only 30, but I can’t remember a scarier time for America. There are existential implications for our democracy in the next few months. Godspeed everyone.

There is a major question as to whether or not African America s are disproportionately injured/“murdered” by police... just glancing at the number of violent criminals by race, the population, and the number of people o each race killed by officers would tell you this.