Dallas/Portland Trade

[MightyToine]

Originally posted by: Fidel

Please dear god no. I don´t know if I could be a fan of a mavericks squad that featured Walker AND Wallace. Walker alone makes it hard enough.

That would be.......an entertaining combo to say the least. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]


Walker would be wiggling, Sheed would be Shouting Expletives at the Refs....


FUN FOR THE ENTIRE FAMILY!! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

[Jamisonite]

Ok everyone just seems to attack what i said...

Walker is extremely selfish...Jamison came here and openly accepted being the 4th option...Walker came here and tried to be #1

He takes more shots than anyone else on the team...OK...hes not even the 2nd best player on this team...Dirk and Nash a superior players...he has taken 100 more shots than Dirk and nearly 200 more than Nash...Toine averages 16.3 spg Dirk 15.9, and Nash 11.2(Dirk averaged 18.6 and nash averaged 13.5 last year)

If you ask me he should have came here and been humble...Hes coming to the 2nd best team in the league as of last season(Western Confernce Finals makes them that) and he tries to be the star...Where as Jamison comes in and just picks his spots Walker forces it...You dont go to a team that did outstanding without you and try to take it over....THATS SELFISH

As for Whiny...i just dont like his attitude...he argues over too many calls and has this lil pouty look on his face while hes on the bench...just not my kind of player

[jimmychipwood]

Walker's great...unless you like winning. He is also good if you like alienating fans. I think this is something Cuban needs to consider. People love the big 3. Jamison comes in and did his best to play well and fit in, there aren't many Jamison haters out there. But if this team gave up one of the big 3 and left Walker on the team, I for one would be much less interested in the team. The thing that keeps me interested now is that possibility that we might trade Walker.

[Max Power]

Originally posted by: Jamisonite
Ok everyone just seems to attack what i said...

Walker is extremely selfish...Jamison came here and openly accepted being the 4th option...Walker came here and tried to be #1

He takes more shots than anyone else on the team...OK...hes not even the 2nd best player on this team...Dirk and Nash a superior players...he has taken 100 more shots than Dirk and nearly 200 more than Nash...

And how many games has Dirk missed?

Toine averages 16.3 spg Dirk 15.9, and Nash 11.2(Dirk averaged 18.6 and nash averaged 13.5 last year)

Factor in Dirk's partial game and he is averaging 16.4 shots per game. Over the last 15 games Dirk is averaging over 17 shots per game. And Dirk's best statistical year ever came when he averaged 16 shots a game.

Walker has averaged under 14 shots per game for the last 5 games.

Where as Jamison comes in and just picks his spots

Jamison has a reputation of being passive. He doesn't rock the boat and he doesn't demand the ball. That's good to a point but lets not forget Jamison's reputation before he came here. He disappears in big games and during crunchtime and never wants to take the big shot. He is also a terrible defender.

As for Whiny...i just dont like his attitude...he argues over too many calls and has this lil pouty look on his face while hes on the bench...just not my kind of player

There is NO way that Walker argues more calls than Nash. Stevie is the whinest player on the team by far. I can't number the times that Nash will stay in the backcourt to argue his case while the Mavs are playing 4 on 5.

[MightyToine]

Originally posted by: jimmychipwood
Walker's great...unless you like winning. He is also good if you like alienating fans. I think this is something Cuban needs to consider. People love the big 3. Jamison comes in and did his best to play well and fit in, there aren't many Jamison haters out there. But if this team gave up one of the big 3 and left Walker on the team, I for one would be much less interested in the team. The thing that keeps me interested now is that possibility that we might trade Walker.

You would be less interested in the team? So ONE PLAYER(ONE PLAYER!)'s presence is going to cause you to not be very excited about Watching DIRK/NASH/FIN anymore, huh? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif[/img]

Wow! That's sad, dude. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-frown.gif[/img]

You're a Maverick fan but it seems you're more a Walker-hater right now and can't think straight.

As long as AW is a Maverick, he should be given the same support as all MAVERICK PLAYERS get from the Maverick Fans. That's my opinion.

[Dirkenstien]

If Walker has come in and taken more shots then I wouldnt place the blame on him and deem him selfish more than I would blame Nellie for making him one of the main focal points of our offense (poin forward) and by giving him the green light on shooting shots at will I would say Walker is following instructions more than he is being selfish.

Nellie hasnt asked Jamison to play the same role that he's asked Walker to play and that alone may account for the difference in shots per game. Jamison coming off the bench and averaging about 8 minutes less than Walker also makes sense.

[Jamisonite]

Originally posted by: Dirkenstien
If Walker has come in and taken more shots then I wouldnt place the blame on him and deem him selfish more than I would blame Nellie for making him one of the main focal points of our offense (poin forward) and by giving him the green light on shooting shots at will I would say Walker is following instructions more than he is being selfish.

Nellie hasnt asked Jamison to play the same role that he's asked Walker to play and that alone may account for the difference in shots per game. Jamison coming off the bench and averaging about 8 minutes less than Walker also makes sense.

I think you know more than neone else on this board that i think Nellie is a moron. But if nething "point-foward" means taking less shots. Chris Mullin(in Nellies system) didnt take a lot of shots(his most average shots per game was 18.5 but he also shot .524 from the field so he averaged 25ppg)....Pippen didnt take a lot of shots(his worst season was 16.6)...and honestlty for even comparing Walker to the likes of Mullin and Pippen i should be shot...As a POINT your job is to get the rest of the team involved in the game...thats why Nash doesnt take so many shots...but ya...Walker has no right to bring the ball up the court while Nash is in the game

[sike]

"I can't number the times that Nash will stay in the backcourt to argue his case while the Mavs are playing 4 on 5. "


Max I watch every game(that I can), and cant remember one time this happend...can you give a direct reference? I may have it on tape?

PS: Trade Walker before Jamison.

[MightyToine]

Originally posted by: sike
"I can't number the times that Nash will stay in the backcourt to argue his case while the Mavs are playing 4 on 5. "


Max I watch every game(that I can), and cant remember one time this happend...can you give a direct reference? I may have it on tape?

PS: Trade Walker before Jamison.

PPS: Neither will be traded this season.

Book it!

[Max Power]

Originally posted by: sike
"I can't number the times that Nash will stay in the backcourt to argue his case while the Mavs are playing 4 on 5. "


Max I watch every game(that I can), and cant remember one time this happend...can you give a direct reference? I may have it on tape?

It happened TONIGHT

PS: Trade Walker before Jamison.

I don't care if Walker is traded but Jamison HAS TO GO - his defense is horrible.

[gk314]

Portland trades: SF Rasheed Wallace (16.8 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 2.7 apg in 38.6 minutes)
C Dale Davis (6.2 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 1.5 apg in 28.3 minutes)
SG Derek Anderson (8.3 ppg, 1.7 rpg, 2.7 apg in 14.0 minutes)
PF Zach Randolph (22.2 ppg, 11.3 rpg, 2.4 apg in 39.7 minutes)
Portland receives: PF Antoine Walker (16.7 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 5.0 apg in 37.9 minutes)
SG Michael Finley (16.5 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 2.8 apg in 39.3 minutes)
SF Antawn Jamison (15.4 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 1.0 apg in 29.9 minutes)
SF Josh Howard (8.4 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 1.3 apg in 23.1 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +3.5 ppg, +0.1 rpg, and +0.8 apg.

Dallas trades: PF Antoine Walker (16.7 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 5.0 apg in 37.9 minutes)
SG Michael Finley (16.5 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 2.8 apg in 39.3 minutes)
SF Antawn Jamison (15.4 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 1.0 apg in 29.9 minutes)
SF Josh Howard (8.4 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 1.3 apg in 23.1 minutes)
Dallas receives: SF Rasheed Wallace (16.8 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 2.7 apg in 33 games)
C Dale Davis (6.2 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 1.5 apg in 32 games)
SG Derek Anderson (8.3 ppg, 1.7 rpg, 2.7 apg in 3 games)
PF Zach Randolph (22.2 ppg, 11.3 rpg, 2.4 apg in 34 games)
Change in team outlook: -3.5 ppg, -0.1 rpg, and -0.8 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

[Captain Disaster]

Let's trade Walker & Jamison for two excellent DEFENSIVE players, sign another scrub big man to play with Mamadou & Bradley, let Howard split time with Fin, & go from there. Who can we get for these two? What teams would make a trade with us? We may not get the BEST defensive players in the league, but we likely could get a couple; or are defensive players a rarity in the NBA? I personally think that we had TWO excellent ones last year in Bell & Griifin, but we just pissed them away for no good reason. If we had only kept those two and kept the team we have now, I believe we would've won at least 5 - 7 more games so far this year.

[grndmstr_c]

CD, let's not. Let's trade one of them for some help at the center position, but that should be plenty. As for Griff...do you honestly think we're missing him that much? He was a turnover machine with precious little range on his jumper. Nice defender, sure, but he has been more than replaced by Howard who's as good defensively, and better on the boards and at scoring inside. Raja I do miss. Neither Delk or Daniels has yet managed to fill his shoes.

[Captain Disaster]

I'd really like to keep both, but it seems like Walker just doesn't fit THIS team; I'm not saying that he's no good, a cancer or that I don't like him. Jamison can score, but he seems to disappear in pressure situations, AND he plays absolutely no defense.

Yes, I do think that we miss Griffin because I remember several games last year where he shut the other teams best offensive threats down. He had extremely quick hands, & he knew that he was a veteran role player. He also made some key baskets in high pressure games. We don't need any more "scorers", we need defenders who CAN score under pressure if they have to, but who will accept fewer minutes and will give 100% in those minutes. We need a few players who are willing to GO TO WAR at crunch time; this bunch just goes home!

[MightyToine]

Originally posted by: Captain Disaster
I'd really like to keep both, but it seems like Walker just doesn't fit THIS team; I'm not saying that he's no good, a cancer or that I don't like him. Jamison can score, but he seems to disappear in pressure situations, AND he plays absolutely no defense.

So I guess that's the reason why you think Walker does not fit THIS team....He plays DEFENSE. lol! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

[Jamisonite]

WALKER DOESNT PLAY DEFENSE MUCH BETTER THAN JAMISON...and the thing that a lot of people dont know is that Jamison has had to adjust his whole game since coming to the NBA. In High School and College he played Center, up until his junior year at UNC(his last) when they recruited Haywood. But he still played C a lot. Then he comes to the NBA and plays SF. Thats a HUGE adjustment defensively. Walker was always Potinos(spelling?) Foward that could bring up the ball and he usually defended the pf or sf in college

[MightyToine]

Originally posted by: Jamisonite
WALKER DOESNT PLAY DEFENSE MUCH BETTER THAN JAMISON...and the thing that a lot of people dont know is that Jamison has had to adjust his whole game since coming to the NBA. In High School and College he played Center, up until his junior year at UNC(his last) when they recruited Haywood. But he still played C a lot. Then he comes to the NBA and plays SF. Thats a HUGE adjustment defensively. Walker was always Potinos(spelling?) Foward that could bring up the ball and he usually defended the pf or sf in college

Actually the name was Pitino but I forgive you since I HATE HIS GUTS. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]


Walker DOES play defense better than Jamison(though admittedly not by much).... [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

[Jamisonite]

that was my point...his defense isnt much better, and this is only Jamisons fourth full season(his first season was the strike year, and his second was cut short due to injury) He has had to learn a new position and has to defend quicker players than he is used to.We are not going to ask Dirk or Fortson to defend the Sf. I know his Defense is poor but its looks even worse due to the lack of defense around him. His D wasnt really questioned in GS cuz he had good defenders around him. I think he has the heart and desire to become a better defender

[Max Power]

Originally posted by: Jamisonite
His D wasnt really questioned in GS

That was always a major part of Jamison - all O and no D.