Dallas/Portland Trade

[zanahale]

Some folks on a Portland Forum (http://www.oregonlive.com/forums/blazers/ (keyword "Dallas") are talking about how they would prefer a trade with Dallas involving Dale Davis and Rasheed Wallace for Antoine Walker and Antawn Jamison. Alot of the posters there think they will most likely do a trade with Dallas since they think New York doesn't have anything to offer. It works on realgm. Would you guys consider this trade?


Dallas trades: SF Antawn Jamison (15.3 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 1.1 apg in 29.7 minutes)
PF Antoine Walker (17.1 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 5.1 apg in 37.9 minutes)
Dallas receives: C Dale Davis (6.1 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 1.4 apg in 28.3 minutes)
SF Rasheed Wallace (16.8 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 2.7 apg in 38.6 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -9.5 ppg, -3.0 rpg, and -2.1 apg.

Portland trades: C Dale Davis (6.1 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 1.4 apg in 28.3 minutes)
SF Rasheed Wallace (16.8 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 2.7 apg in 38.6 minutes)
Portland receives: SF Antawn Jamison (15.3 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 1.1 apg in 34 games)
PF Antoine Walker (17.1 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 5.1 apg in 34 games)
Change in team outlook: +9.5 ppg, +3.0 rpg, and +2.1 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

[Kenny_01]

http://www.nypost.com/sports/knicks/44773.htm

LOOKING FOR ANSWERS:
While Isiah Thomas continues to try to make more adjustments to Knick roster, the club's newest savior, Stephon Marbury (above), has been less-than-stellar in two losses since coming over from Phoenix.

January 10, 2004 -- Don Chaney was allowed to run another practice while Isiah Thomas stayed holed up in his office yesterday at the Knicks' Westchester campus. The Stephon Marbury blockbuster has not yet proved the answer, and Thomas was trying to figure out which button to press to get his club out of its ongoing mess.
The Knicks' new boss was attempting to make Rasheed Wallace a Knick, but talks with Portland broke down yesterday and the Blazers' bad-boy power forward appeared headed to Dallas as part of a package for Antawn Jamison, sources said.

[DNNF]

Originally posted by: Kenny_01
http://www.nypost.com/sports/knicks/44773.htm

LOOKING FOR ANSWERS:
While Isiah Thomas continues to try to make more adjustments to Knick roster, the club's newest savior, Stephon Marbury (above), has been less-than-stellar in two losses since coming over from Phoenix.

January 10, 2004 -- Don Chaney was allowed to run another practice while Isiah Thomas stayed holed up in his office yesterday at the Knicks' Westchester campus. The Stephon Marbury blockbuster has not yet proved the answer, and Thomas was trying to figure out which button to press to get his club out of its ongoing mess.
The Knicks' new boss was attempting to make Rasheed Wallace a Knick, but talks with Portland broke down yesterday and the Blazers' bad-boy power forward appeared headed to Dallas as part of a package for Antawn Jamison, sources said.

I rather trade Walker instead of jamison. But as of right now, this team need to get rid of 1 of the two 'tawn. At least Jamison's game is inside games. Although, he doesn't play much of defense, but he would get all of those lose balls on the offensive end.

[scorched03]

at this pt i'd take anyone tall, tough, and can freaking hold ground on defense .
what happened to all the assistant coaches? can't any of them teach proper defense or hire a defensive specialist coach like bill russell (haha impossible though)

[PiusDoe]

The recent news on this HAS come from the NY Post...so I wouldn't put too much faith in it. Besides, most of our trades happen out of the blue, so its more likely we won't hear a damn thing about a trade before it happens, if it does. I would be more interested in finding smaller trades in order to acquire help at the center position. However, if one of the Ants need to go, it it going to be Jamison. Part of me likes Jamison more than Walker, but realistically Walker is not going to be traded. Nellie is in love with him, and rightly so. His ball handling and passing amaze me for a player his size. Defensively, Jamison doesn't have an advantage over Walker. Offensively, the only advantage Jamison has is his tendency to work down low more and the fact that Walker clunks a lot of threes. When actually working down low, however, Walker's playmaking abilities really come to light. It is up to the Nellie to make Walker increase his play in the paint. Still, if we are to do any trade for Rasheed, this is the only trade I consider.

Dallas trades:
PG Tony Delk
(6.6 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 0.9 apg in 16.7 minutes) Â*
PG Tariq Abdul-Wahad
(6.6 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 0.9 apg in 16.7 minutes) Â*
SF Antawn Jamison
(15.3 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 1.1 apg in 29.7 minutes)
Dallas receives:
PG Jeff McInnis
(12.1 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 5.5 apg in 33.3 minutes)Â*
SF Rasheed Wallace
(16.8 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 2.7 apg in 38.6 minutes)

Change in team outlook: +7.0 ppg, +0.3 rpg, and +6.2 apg.


Portland trades:
PG Jeff McInnis
(12.1 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 5.5 apg in 33.3 minutes)
SF Rasheed Wallace
(16.8 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 2.7 apg in 38.6 minutes)

Portland receives:
PG Tony Delk
(6.6 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 0.9 apg in 26 games)
PG Tariq Abdul-Wahad
(6.6 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 0.9 apg in 26 games)
SF Antawn Jamison
(15.3 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 1.1 apg in 34 games)

Change in team outlook: -7.0 ppg, -0.3 rpg, and -6.2 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

Rasheed's offense is obviously at the very least equal to Jamison's. His defense is certainly better. And while not a center, he is 6'11" and I would much rather see him playing center than Dirk. This also very much forces the Mavericks to start their best players, as the matchups are more favorable and I can't see a single player taking on a lesser role the way Jamison did. Jeff McInnis gives us big time bonafide backup to Nash. He's a bigger point guard who can play D, make plays and score on his own. And we ditch TAW's contract and roster spot to sign another C stiff or keep it open in hopes that Sabonis might want to play. If you prefer Delk over McInnis...then just strike that from the trade and it still works in our favor.

Why does Portland do it? I don't know why the hell they're going to do anything with Sheed. The Blazers are clearly not going anywhere this year...so they may as well ride out his contract...either clear cap space...or work him in a sign and trade at the end of the year when his contract can be more manageable. That said...if they're looking to trade with us...this is the only trade that we should consider.

[seelenjaeger]

Why does Portland ship Wallace ->

Portland is that far over the Salary Cap, that even by Clearing the Wallace conctract off the books won´t create any capspace. So they risk loosing him for a warm handshake and some smelly smoke ...

Why is Dallas shopping Jamison instead of Walker ->

Walker has the higher trade value. Why? Because his contract expires sooner, and - opposite to Jamison - he plays "some" defense. Trading away Jamison would give the Mavs more flelixbility if it doesnt work, since both Walker and Wallace will come off the books soon. Then again, if the Mavs are not at least eyeing a sign-and-trade in the summer, Wallace needs to be paid aswell ...

[V]

Originally posted by: zanahale
Some folks on a Portland Forum (http://www.oregonlive.com/forums/blazers/ (keyword "Dallas") are talking about how they would prefer a trade with Dallas involving Dale Davis and Rasheed Wallace for Antoine Walker and Antawn Jamison. Alot of the posters there think they will most likely do a trade with Dallas since they think New York doesn't have anything to offer. It works on realgm. Would you guys consider this trade?


Dallas trades: SF Antawn Jamison (15.3 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 1.1 apg in 29.7 minutes)
PF Antoine Walker (17.1 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 5.1 apg in 37.9 minutes)
Dallas receives: C Dale Davis (6.1 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 1.4 apg in 28.3 minutes)
SF Rasheed Wallace (16.8 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 2.7 apg in 38.6 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -9.5 ppg, -3.0 rpg, and -2.1 apg.

Portland trades: C Dale Davis (6.1 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 1.4 apg in 28.3 minutes)
SF Rasheed Wallace (16.8 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 2.7 apg in 38.6 minutes)
Portland receives: SF Antawn Jamison (15.3 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 1.1 apg in 34 games)
PF Antoine Walker (17.1 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 5.1 apg in 34 games)
Change in team outlook: +9.5 ppg, +3.0 rpg, and +2.1 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

The best part of that forum is the praise Josh Howard is getting. The love him... and they want him to be included in the trade. Nice to see Howard getting some national recognition from the common fan.

Too band there's no way Donnie includes Howard in any deal with the Blazers.

[LRB]

Why is Dallas shopping Jamison instead of Walker ->

Great point SJ. I would much rather see Walker go than Jamison. Jamison's D is horrendous, but I feel with the right coach he can be taught to play decent D. I don't know if Walker can be taught not to disrupt the Dallas offense with his dumbass showboating ways no matter who is coach.

[Jamisonite]

Portland trades: SF Rasheed Wallace (16.8 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 2.7 apg in 38.6 minutes)
C Dale Davis (6.2 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 1.5 apg in 28.3 minutes)
PG Jeff McInnis (12.2 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 5.3 apg in 33.4 minutes)
C Vladimir Stepania (2.8 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 0.6 apg in 10.8 minutes)
Portland receives: SF Antawn Jamison (15.4 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 1.0 apg in 29.9 minutes)
PF Antoine Walker (16.7 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 5.0 apg in 37.9 minutes)
PF Tariq Abdul-Wahad (16.7 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 5.0 apg in 37.9 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -5.9 ppg, -2.6 rpg, and -4.1 apg.

Dallas trades: SF Antawn Jamison (15.4 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 1.0 apg in 29.9 minutes)
PF Antoine Walker (16.7 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 5.0 apg in 37.9 minutes)
PF Tariq Abdul-Wahad (16.7 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 5.0 apg in 37.9 minutes)
Dallas receives: SF Rasheed Wallace (16.8 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 2.7 apg in 33 games)
C Dale Davis (6.2 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 1.5 apg in 32 games)
PG Jeff McInnis (12.2 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 5.3 apg in 34 games)
C Vladimir Stepania (2.8 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 0.6 apg in 30 games)
Change in team outlook: +5.9 ppg, +2.6 rpg, and +4.1 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

or

Dallas trades: PG Tony Delk (6.5 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 0.9 apg in 16.9 minutes)
PG Tariq Abdul-Wahad (6.5 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 0.9 apg in 16.9 minutes)
SF Antawn Jamison (15.4 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 1.0 apg in 29.9 minutes)
PF Antoine Walker (16.7 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 5.0 apg in 37.9 minutes)
Dallas receives: C Vladimir Stepania (2.8 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 0.6 apg in 10.8 minutes)
PG Jeff McInnis (12.2 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 5.3 apg in 33.4 minutes)
C Dale Davis (6.2 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 1.5 apg in 28.3 minutes)
SF Rasheed Wallace (16.8 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 2.7 apg in 38.6 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -0.6 ppg, +0.5 rpg, and +3.2 apg.

Portland trades: C Vladimir Stepania (2.8 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 0.6 apg in 10.8 minutes)
PG Jeff McInnis (12.2 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 5.3 apg in 33.4 minutes)
C Dale Davis (6.2 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 1.5 apg in 28.3 minutes)
SF Rasheed Wallace (16.8 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 2.7 apg in 38.6 minutes)
Portland receives: PG Tony Delk (6.5 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 0.9 apg in 27 games)
PG Tariq Abdul-Wahad (6.5 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 0.9 apg in 27 games)
SF Antawn Jamison (15.4 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 1.0 apg in 35 games)
PF Antoine Walker (16.7 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 5.0 apg in 35 games)
Change in team outlook: +0.6 ppg, -0.5 rpg, and -3.2 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

I like riding us of Delk as well cuz we save more money and we dont need 4 pgs

Rotation

C Davis/Bradley/Stephania/Fortson
PF[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]irk/Sheed/Fortson/Najera
SF/Sheed/Howard/Dirk/Fin
SG Fin/Howard/McInnis
PGNash/McInnis/Best

[Jamisonite]

If we are gonna give them both Twins then we better get a lil more...i also stand firm that if we are getting Sheed we better be giving up TAW

[ddh33]

I'll chime in with my $.02 and say that IF Rasheed comes to Dallas, we need to send Walker to Portland. Trading Jamison for Wallace pigoen-holes our starting line-up and forces Josh to the bench. Call it a hunch, but I could also see Rasheed and Antoine butting heads in the same lockerroom.

I would just rather keep the Carolina kids together. I think they could get along better and allow Josh to continue to grow into what we think he can be.

[MavsFanFinley]

I don't like the idea of sending both Jamison and Walker to Portland. Especially taking the chance that Wallace bolts after this season. I believe Davis only has 1 season after this, but I think he'd like playing in Dallas. And unless Portland wants to move Randolph to center, either Jamison or Walker will be coming off the bench there. Not our problem, but I don't see Portland wanting this new headache.

A couple trades that work are:

Jamison/TAW/Najera for Wallace/McInnis

or

Jamison/TAW for Wallace

or

Jamison/TAW/Delk for Wallace/McInnis

[MightyToine]

All signs point to Jamison being the one who goes(IF there is a big trade). Nellie would sooner go on a Diet than "get rid" of the Point-forward he's been looking for since forever....



Walker stays.


end of story. [ or I could be wrong? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img] ]

[Dirkenstien]

We're having enough problems as it is. The last thing we need to be worrying about is a mentally unstable Rasheed Wallace.

[uberfan]

Originally posted by: MightyToine
All signs point to Jamison being the one who goes(IF there is a big trade). Nellie would sooner go on a Diet than "get rid" of the Point-forward he's been looking for since forever....



Walker stays.


end of story. [ or I could be wrong? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img] ]

Two points.

1) Wallace could be a point forward.
2) Marc Stein said on ESPN radio this morning that Portland does not want Jamison at this point in time.

Walker goes if there is a deal done with Portland.

[kg_veteran]

Originally posted by: uberfan

Two points.

1) Wallace could be a point forward.
2) Marc Stein said on ESPN radio this morning that Portland does not want Jamison at this point in time.

Walker goes if there is a deal done with Portland.

Personally, I think Dallas has started the negotiations by offering Jamison but would be (and certainly should be) willing to offer Walker to get Wallace.

[DNNF]

I don't see the reason why Portland would want jamison. He has the big longterm contract. They are trying to get rid of Sheed and dump the salary. Would be really stupid to take back a big longterm salary in return.

[MightyToine]

I don't care what anyone says. Walker will stay.

[DNNF]

Originally posted by: MightyToine
I don't care what anyone says. Walker will stay.

We can say what we want, but deep down, Walker will stay since Nellie loves his E.T. face [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

[DaMavs]

I'll feel really bad for Jamison if he goes, he's been saying how finally he's going to get to play in playoffs. He is one of the good guys in this league.

[Jamisonite]

Ya...one of the few good ones...that is why we need to keep him

[MightyToine]

Originally posted by: Jamisonite
Ya...one of the few good ones...that is why we need to keep him

And that is why Portland wants him instead of Walker. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]



Walker is not a bad person either, actually but I think Walker's reputation ON THE COURT precedes him...

[Jamisonite]

Walkers whinny selfish attitude is getting on my nerves...hes not exactly a bad person but hes whinny as hell and hes even more selfish then he is whinny

[MightyToine]

Originally posted by: Jamisonite
Walkers whinny selfish attitude is getting on my nerves...hes not exactly a bad person but hes whinny as hell and hes even more selfish then he is whinny

NYAH, NYAH, NYAH! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]


Can I have more cheese, please? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

[kg_veteran]

Originally posted by: MightyToine

NYAH, NYAH, NYAH! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]


Can I have more cheese, please? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

Try and stay on topic.

[MightyToine]

Originally posted by: kg_veteran

Try and stay on topic.

Okay, KG.

WHAT whiny and selfish attitude?

You mean where he claps for the ball and goes 'woooo' like ric flair during games? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]


That's not selfishness....That's "Give me the ball so I can make something happen"...

[jayC]

He's by far the most talented player available via trade. He has the length to guard Duncan and KG. If defense is a premium on this team and Walker is the better defender then Jamison he should stay.

[MightyToine]

Originally posted by: jayC
He's by far the most talented player available via trade. He has the length to guard Duncan and KG. If defense is a premium on this team and Walker is the better defender then Jamison he should stay.

THANK YOU, jayC!


Now the trading deadline is about a Month and 9 days away.....A lot could happen between that time and now...

[grndmstr_c]

I wouldn't trade both Antwins unless it was a serious no-brainer. Trading both of them for Wallace and Davis does not qualify, IMO.

[mavs_afroman]

I would love to trade Walker for Rasheed and Jamison for someone like Ratliff but that is probably too much of a shake up.

However I would NOT tade Jamison for Rasheed. Seeing Antoine and Rasheed on one court together scares the crap out of me. I wouldn't think twice though about trading Walker for Rasheed. No more point forward and we get a player with a really good post game.

[uberfan]

Here's my version of a possible trade scenario. I would love to have McInnis but don't think Portland would move him.

Walker and Delk turned into Wallace and TAW into Patterson. TAW and Patterson's contract are a wash as to length and size, and it let's Portland move Patterson and still get a decent defensive SG/SF swingman in return. Delk can play Anderson's role for Portalnd when Anderson is on the IL.

Walker gives them a good forward to work with Randolf. His contract ends in 2005 when Stoudamire and other contracts end.



Dallas trades: PF Antoine Walker (16.7 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 5.0 apg in 37.9 minutes)
PF Tariq Abdul-Wahad (16.7 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 5.0 apg in 37.9 minutes)
PG Tony Delk (6.5 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 0.9 apg in 16.9 minutes)
Dallas receives: SG Ruben Patterson (6.7 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 1.6 apg in 22.6 minutes)
SF Rasheed Wallace (16.8 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 2.7 apg in 38.6 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +0.3 ppg, -0.9 rpg, and -1.6 apg.

Portland trades: SG Ruben Patterson (6.7 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 1.6 apg in 22.6 minutes)
SF Rasheed Wallace (16.8 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 2.7 apg in 38.6 minutes)
Portland receives: PF Antoine Walker (16.7 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 5.0 apg in 35 games)
PF Tariq Abdul-Wahad (16.7 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 5.0 apg in 35 games)
PG Tony Delk (6.5 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 0.9 apg in 27 games)
Change in team outlook: -0.3 ppg, +0.9 rpg, and +1.6 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

[Nash13]

I would be on cloud nine if Portland did that trade uber. Walker/Delk/Wahad make a combined 20 million, give or take a million. And if Rasheed were traded and went to another team after the season, we would probably be save 16 or 17 million dollars. That would put our cap around 58 million. And Walker could opt out at season's end, and they could buy out Delk, leaving only Wahad. So it would work out for both teams.

[Dirkenstien]

I dont see where Walker is selfish and whinny? imo hes just a strong competitor that wants to wins as much if not more than all the others. He stands up for himself and pledges his case to the refs if he feels they've made a mistake.

I dont see this as being selfish or whinny. It seems he's just doing everything possible to place himself as well as his team in a position to give his team a W, which in my opinion is far better than having a passive attitude on the court.

[EricaLubarsky]

I think that Portland may be the only team out there that would take TAWs contract and it is because of the community outcry against "thuggish players". No one else in the league would take TAW with his contract. He is a half to one mil player with multiple-multiple million dollar years ahead of him. If you are rebuilding you dont want him because his contract lasts so long. If you aren't rebuilding you wouldnt trade with TAW because players that match his money are going to be quality players.
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Also I like Jamison too much to be stuck with the portland squad. It would be horrible for such a quality guy to be stuck in Portland.

[MavsFanFinley]

Mavs Deny Rumors

Here's the link to the dallasbasketball.com story about the latest rumors out of NY and the Mavs denying them.

Maybe it is nothing but another round or rumors, but strange Delk is back to getting a lot of playing time and that TAW has returned to the team.

[aexchange]

i have a feelings its going to go down.

makes too much sense for dallas. we may have to part with some additional character guys and take on some trash to make the deal work however.

[Fidel]

Originally posted by: Kenny_01
http://www.nypost.com/sports/knicks/44773.htm

LOOKING FOR ANSWERS:
While Isiah Thomas continues to try to make more adjustments to Knick roster, the club's newest savior, Stephon Marbury (above), has been less-than-stellar in two losses since coming over from Phoenix.

January 10, 2004 -- Don Chaney was allowed to run another practice while Isiah Thomas stayed holed up in his office yesterday at the Knicks' Westchester campus. The Stephon Marbury blockbuster has not yet proved the answer, and Thomas was trying to figure out which button to press to get his club out of its ongoing mess.
The Knicks' new boss was attempting to make Rasheed Wallace a Knick, but talks with Portland broke down yesterday and the Blazers' bad-boy power forward appeared headed to Dallas as part of a package for Antawn Jamison, sources said.

Please dear god no. I don´t know if I could be a fan of a mavericks squad that featured Walker AND Wallace. Walker alone makes it hard enough.

[V]

Link to Oregonian beat writer Jason Quick discussing why Sheed will be traded soon

EDIT - link doesn't work...

To find the audio file go HERE

and click on Clip 3

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally posted by: aexchange
i have a feelings its going to go down.

makes too much sense for dallas. we may have to part with some additional character guys and take on some trash to make the deal work however.

Makes too much sense in a statistical way but it could be Nellie's last move if he makes it. Thats good for those on the board that want Nellie to leave as there is no way that Nellie handles Wallace from what I hear.

[MightyToine]

Originally posted by: Dirkenstien
I dont see where Walker is selfish and whinny? imo hes just a strong competitor that wants to wins as much if not more than all the others. He stands up for himself and pledges his case to the refs if he feels they've made a mistake.

I dont see this as being selfish or whinny. It seems he's just doing everything possible to place himself as well as his team in a position to give his team a W, which in my opinion is far better than having a passive attitude on the court.

Truer words were never spoken, dirkenstein. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-frown.gif[/img]


Just because Walker argues with the Refs, that automatically makes him selfish and whiny???? SO I GUESS WALKER IS THE ONLY PLAYER IN THE ENTIRE NBA WHO ARGUES WITH REFS, HUH?



*shakes his head in bewilderment*