I think Parsons will not be around after this contract ....

[MrScottMcKenzie]

It's baffling how people can still defend Parsons' inept play. Dude is getting paid more than Steph Curry for goodness sake!!!

[nodir41]

Originally Posted by MrScottMcKenzie

It's baffling how people can still defend Parsons' inept play. Dude is getting paid more than Steph Curry for goodness sake!!!

i could live with his overall play...BUT that dude will never get his shot right...just way to flat...he has dirk, wes and Holger around him and cant get that right!!!

I JUST CANT UNDERSTAND THAT

[Thebo]

Originally Posted by nodir41

i could live with his overall play...BUT that dude will never get his shot right...just way to flat...he has dirk, wes and Holger around him and cant get that right!!!

I JUST CANT UNDERSTAND THAT

Just to clarify to others who perhaps don't understand why the complaining is taking place. Complaints are because he has made no improvements to his game.

Personally, I'm willing to give a pass on that right now. Most gains are made during off-season and so far Parsons has had only one healthy off-season with the Mavs and this was when he first got to Dallas. He didn't have much chance during last season with all this Rondo hype and people trying to improve him. I guess Holger will be in Dallas this season for 2 weeks again and one name I want to see with him is Parsons.

We are steadily coming to a point where people start asking how much has to go wrong for Parsons until he realizes he has to do something about it? He said that he'll be ready in January. Well, January is here...

We'll see what happens but if some good name comes available before trade deadline, then Mavs should have no problem involving Parsons in that conversation. I am personally willing to live with him unless there are realistic replacement ideas - like the one I made - and I have no problem seeing him in Mavs uniform next October. If he doesn't improve his game during the summer of 2016, then I'd like to see him gone for at least one 1st round draft pick. I'm sure a lot of teams are going to have loads of free cap space next Fall.

I think some people are forgetting how old Parsons really is because he is relatively young in terms of his NBA career. Parsons is 27, next October he'll be 28. He is entering his prime and only god knows what kind of prime that will be - I think in right system he could do well. He is a ball stopper and this doesn't fit Mavs' style.

Aminu is almost exactly 2 years younger, developed 3 point shot during summer and is prime example what the Mavs need. AND he is yet to enter his prime.

[Bryan_Wilson]

The guy has to play better, a lot better I want to stress that before I follow it up.

I don't know about others but I defend the guy because he's always trashed on. Last year he wasn't awful at all and had to adjust a lot and still found a way to be productive, that's where his value is. He's not a star player, ppl really need to get over his salary... It's been said so many times it's nauseating, but he's only paid like he is because of restricted free agency and the timing of this spike in salary cap. He's not going to produce like a guy being paid 15m used to produce. He doesn't have one single elite skill, therefore he will never be a star, it's rly pretty simple. So his salary and his production in correlation to that salary and now his injury, he's a pretty easy target.

I always compared him to Hayward when he was in Houston but with less upside because Hayward was younger and Hayward looked fluid. Parsons doesn't look fluid at anything really. His shot is ugly his drives are slow but he makes it work so I always thought he was just below that. I thought he was better off ball and Hayward was better with it in his hands. Parsons whole value is that in a pinch he can do anything you need. Despite ppl wanting him to rebound more he rebounds fine at a little more than 5 a game, same as a guy like Ariza. He is an average defender although right now he is a step below that with his injury. His versatility is his best asset which is why he fits every offense including ours. If all we want is another catch and shoot player then we will end up shooting more 3's than any NBA team because we are already pretty close. Guys like Ariza and Danny green are playing absolutely awful so I feel like we dodged a bullet there tbh as I wanted Green or Matthews before FA started.

On Aminu... I miss the guy too but he's being sensationalized a bit I think. He had a role here off the bench where he put all his effort into that role. As a starter in Portland he isn't that same player. He is still probably the best rebounding SF in the NBA but that wouldn't do us any good this season. RC has stated several times that outside of the center nobody is to crash the boards on offense. That takes away a lot of Aminu's value and we were 5th in the NBA at defensive rebounding last I checked so while he would add some it's not an area of need. His 3pt shot is vastly improved and still isn't as good as healthy Parsons is. In fact Aminu's eFG is exactly the same as this broken shot Parsons is this season. So while improved as a shooter he has only improved to the point of being as good as a broken Parsons.

---Edit---
In the spirit of being a little more thorough and to avoid a cherry picking situation I will say that Aminu has a TS% of .522 to Parsons .502 currently this season, so he's slightly better than a broken Parsons actually. ---Edit---

https://rotogrinders.com/pages/nba-a...touches-201728

I go here for fantasy type stuff for touches and stuff to see who gets the ball in their hands for value picks and such... Parsons gets the ball slightly more than catch and shoot players like Ariza. Meanwhile Hayward and other point forwards have it more than double Parsons does and some up to 4 times as much. Indicating that he is still playing mostly off ball for us. I have no lineup stats for usage and such but from watching the last few games I'd wager he gets the ball in his hands more when McGee is on the floor as he seems most comfortable when he has a roll man like he had with DH12 in houston.

But again, all things aside, the dude needs to play better period.

[Thebo]

Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

Parsons gets the ball slightly more than catch and shoot players like Ariza. Meanwhile Hayward and other point forwards have it more than double Parsons does and some up to 4 times as much. Indicating that he is still playing mostly off ball for us. I have no lineup stats for usage and such but from watching the last few games I'd wager he gets the ball in his hands more when McGee is on the floor as he seems most comfortable when he has a roll man like he had with DH12 in houston.

That's what I mean by Parsons not fitting RC system. RC needs catch and shoot small forward but Parsons isn't the type. The time Rondo spent in Dallas last season showed that. How many ball dominant players actually fare well in RC system?

Before this season begun I had high hopes that D-Will and Parsons will be handling the ball a lot. However this isn't how Mavs go by. I think Parsons would fare a lot better in a system that Bulls run - at least the games I've seen.

I don't think anyone has problems with his salary also. It is just the next thing to pick about him. People are having problems with his attitude. If he was hustling in every play and defending well, people would nag less about his poor shooting. Matthews didn't get much hate when he was shooting poorly because he was giving his all on defense.

Problem I have with Parsons, is that I saw him performing really well defensively last season. But all these moments were in 4th quarter. He gives his all 'when it matters most' and this season he doesn't even get to play during those times.

[AO41]

I think Aminu fits much better with this team and I think he would be producing even better numbers with this team and RC. We should hvae kept him anyway if it was possible.

I wouldn't mind trading Parson for Aminu and if they have someone they want to get rid of....but I don't see them doing that.

Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

The guy has to play better, a lot better I want to stress that before I follow it up.

I don't know about others but I defend the guy because he's always trashed on. Last year he wasn't awful at all and had to adjust a lot and still found a way to be productive, that's where his value is. He's not a star player, ppl really need to get over his salary... It's been said so many times it's nauseating, but he's only paid like he is because of restricted free agency and the timing of this spike in salary cap. He's not going to produce like a guy being paid 15m used to produce. He doesn't have one single elite skill, therefore he will never be a star, it's rly pretty simple. So his salary and his production in correlation to that salary and now his injury, he's a pretty easy target.

I always compared him to Hayward when he was in Houston but with less upside because Hayward was younger and Hayward looked fluid. Parsons doesn't look fluid at anything really. His shot is ugly his drives are slow but he makes it work so I always thought he was just below that. I thought he was better off ball and Hayward was better with it in his hands. Parsons whole value is that in a pinch he can do anything you need. Despite ppl wanting him to rebound more he rebounds fine at a little more than 5 a game, same as a guy like Ariza. He is an average defender although right now he is a step below that with his injury. His versatility is his best asset which is why he fits every offense including ours. If all we want is another catch and shoot player then we will end up shooting more 3's than any NBA team because we are already pretty close. Guys like Ariza and Danny green are playing absolutely awful so I feel like we dodged a bullet there tbh as I wanted Green or Matthews before FA started.

On Aminu... I miss the guy too but he's being sensationalized a bit I think. He had a role here off the bench where he put all his effort into that role. As a starter in Portland he isn't that same player. He is still probably the best rebounding SF in the NBA but that wouldn't do us any good this season. RC has stated several times that outside of the center nobody is to crash the boards on offense. That takes away a lot of Aminu's value and we were 5th in the NBA at defensive rebounding last I checked so while he would add some it's not an area of need. His 3pt shot is vastly improved and still isn't as good as healthy Parsons is. In fact Aminu's eFG is exactly the same as this broken shot Parsons is this season. So while improved as a shooter he has only improved to the point of being as good as a broken Parsons.

---Edit---
In the spirit of being a little more thorough and to avoid a cherry picking situation I will say that Aminu has a TS% of .522 to Parsons .502 currently this season, so he's slightly better than a broken Parsons actually. ---Edit---

https://rotogrinders.com/pages/nba-a...touches-201728

I go here for fantasy type stuff for touches and stuff to see who gets the ball in their hands for value picks and such... Parsons gets the ball slightly more than catch and shoot players like Ariza. Meanwhile Hayward and other point forwards have it more than double Parsons does and some up to 4 times as much. Indicating that he is still playing mostly off ball for us. I have no lineup stats for usage and such but from watching the last few games I'd wager he gets the ball in his hands more when McGee is on the floor as he seems most comfortable when he has a roll man like he had with DH12 in houston.

But again, all things aside, the dude needs to play better period.

[rimrocker]

Originally Posted by AO41

I think Aminu fits much better with this team and I think he would be producing even better numbers with this team and RC. We should hvae kept him anyway if it was possible.

I wouldn't mind trading Parson for Aminu and if they have someone they want to get rid of....but I don't see them doing that.

Probably sound like a broken record but Mavs should make these 2 trades:

Trade 1: Parsons/Mejri for Noah/McDermott
Trade 2: Felton/Evans for Aminu

DWill/Barea
Matthews/Harris/Jenkins
Aminu/McDermott/Anderson
Dirk/Powell/CV
Zaza/Noah/McGee

We get tremendously better at defense and rebounding with plenty of offensive fire power.

[Thebo]

Originally Posted by rimrocker

Probably sound like a broken record but Mavs should make these 2 trades:

Trade 1: Parsons/Mejri for Noah/McDermott
Trade 2: Felton/Evans for Aminu

DWill/Barea
Matthews/Harris/Jenkins
Aminu/McDermott/Anderson
Dirk/Powell/CV
Zaza/Noah/McGee

We get tremendously better at defense and rebounding with plenty of offensive fire power.

In this case, why not to trade Parsons for Durant? Unless you can actually make a good argument why Portland would ever consider taking in Felton and Evans, who is even 1 year older than Parsons, and give up Aminu who can still develop.