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Amarelooms · 06-28-2022, 09:32 PM

Why didnt we just take Burks? Losing him for nothing???? Dumb

Amarelooms · 06-28-2022, 09:37 PM

Wouldn?t it still be in knicks interest to trade something back to us? If they use up most their cap signing Brunson do they really think they are a good team? Didn?t they just trade away 3-4 players?

tap2390 · 06-28-2022, 09:38 PM

I don?t think it?s fair to assume the same deal was available to the Mavs in a sign and trade. This was all about leverage. If the Knicks had to play ball with the Mavs then we would?ve held out for Quickley or Grimes?. Knicks preempted that situation.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-28-2022, 09:57 PM

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I don?t think it?s fair to assume the same deal was available to the Mavs in a sign and trade. This was all about leverage. If the Knicks had to play ball with the Mavs then we would?ve held out for Quickley or Grimes?. Knicks preempted that situation.

Dude they nuked their situation. Even if the Mavs had held out for something a little better there is no way it turns out like what they just did.

There is still so much to unravel here, and no way Cuban comes out looking good.

Like I was pretty excited to see what Nico and company could do, but I just am not sure they understand how FA works sometimes. Like it worries me what will happen with Wood if he plays well.

tap2390 · 06-28-2022, 09:44 PM

Completely fair to give JB the finger on his way out. No way Knicks are aggressively clearing this much space unless they?ve known for a while he was headed their way. Leon Rose overpays JB, and then Leon Rose?s son (JB?s agent) and JB?s dad reap the benefits. For all the talk of JB becoming his own man, he did exactly what his dad and his agent wanted while giving up a better shot to compete for a championship. Don?t let the door hit ya.

twistaeffect2004 · 06-28-2022, 09:50 PM

This off-season started off so positively. This really takes the wind out of our sails. It?ll be interesting to see how this staff rebounds from this. Losing a guy like Brunson for nothing is really a kick to the teeth especially since we really have no trade chips nor money to get better at this point. We are who we are.

Amarelooms · 06-28-2022, 09:53 PM

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This off-season started off so positively. This really takes the wind out of our sails. It?ll be interesting to see how this staff rebounds from this. Losing a guy like Brunson for nothing is really a kick to the teeth especially since we really have no trade chips nor money to get better at this point. We are who we are.

Disaster in every aspect. He came to Them during season saying will sign 4 for 55 and you say no???? Cuban is an idiot. Inept and inexcusable

EricaLubarsky · 06-28-2022, 09:51 PM

Off-season isn?t over yet

Can?t let the blatant tampering get us to forget that we haven?t even started free agency

EricaLubarsky · 06-28-2022, 09:56 PM

https://mobile.twitter.com/_917zach/...29043766628352

This some truly obvious tampering

Jesus

Amarelooms · 06-28-2022, 09:59 PM

Think gotta reset now. Try dump thj/and other bad contracts for someone like Westbrook. Need try get under cap h3ll and have some $ next few season. Horrible.

Thespiralgoeson · 06-28-2022, 10:03 PM

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Think gotta reset now. Try dump thj/and other bad contracts for someone like Westbrook. Need try get under cap h3ll and have some $ next few season. Horrible.

Dear god, no f**king thank you on Westbrook.

JustJay · 06-28-2022, 10:05 PM

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Dear god, no f**king thank you on Westbrook.

Same but he means as an expiring contract so we can have cap space next year. I have no faith in us using cap space for good players though and plus we just made the WCF losing Brunson doesn't make us a lottery team.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-28-2022, 10:05 PM

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Dear god, no f**king thank you on Westbrook.

Would be awful for a year, but it would clear a lot of salary. And Cuban loves him some salary clearing.

Amarelooms · 06-28-2022, 10:06 PM

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Dear god, no f**king thank you on Westbrook.

Rental one year. His contract up. We likely not good enough this coming year. Need be able shed salary so can get free agents.

JustJay · 06-28-2022, 10:10 PM

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Rental one year. His contract up. We likely not good enough this coming year. Need be able shed salary so can get free agents.

Plan powder worked out so well for us.

But I know we got Luka now, I'm not sure he's a big FA attraction though.

Thespiralgoeson · 06-28-2022, 10:12 PM

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Rental one year. His contract up. We likely not good enough this coming year. Need be able shed salary so can get free agents.

Not even for a one year rental. Hard pass. And the Mavericks have never, ever, ever been a free agent destination. FFS, we can't even keep OUR OWN free agents. So deliberately blowing up our locker room to gamble in free agency is not a good plan.

Dtownsfinest · 06-28-2022, 10:20 PM

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Not even for a one year rental. Hard pass. And the Mavericks have never, ever, ever been a free agent destination. FFS, we can't even keep OUR OWN free agents. So deliberately blowing up our locker room to gamble in free agency is not a good plan.

I mean are we really considering Tim Hardaway Jr as "blowing it up"?

Melonhead · 06-29-2022, 12:08 AM

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Rental one year. His contract up. We likely not good enough this coming year. Need be able shed salary so can get free agents.

The short term result would be so horrid you?re risking Luka asking out. Westbrook is that bad.

Thespiralgoeson · 06-29-2022, 12:12 AM

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The short term result would be so horrid you?re risking Luka asking out. Westbrook is that bad.

Exactly. And for what? The chance to chase more free agents? No thank you. I'll take Dragic and whatever else Nico can scrape together.

Meanwhile, let's all cross our fingers and hope that Hardy actually turns out to be a quality NBA shooting guard. And two a lesser extent, lets hope that Josh Green can become an NBA player at all.

JustJay · 06-28-2022, 10:08 PM

Westbrook needs the ball, Luka is towards the top of the league in usage. It would be fugly.

Dtownsfinest · 06-28-2022, 10:20 PM

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Westbrook needs the ball, Luka is towards the top of the league in usage. It would be fugly.

I'd make Westbrook a 6th man if he's down. If not then I Wouldn't be interested......not a great fit but the guy can still play defense and rebound. I'd be more interested in his contract than I would his skill though.

BPo001 · 06-28-2022, 10:14 PM

One of the long-expected NBA free agency deals made some headway Tuesday, and when free agency opens on Thursday, the New York Knicks are expected to present Jalen Brunson a four-year offer in the vicinity of $110 million, league sources told Yahoo Sports.

Dtownsfinest · 06-28-2022, 10:15 PM

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One of the long-expected NBA free agency deals made some headway Tuesday, and when free agency opens on Thursday, the New York Knicks are expected to present Jalen Brunson a four-year offer in the vicinity of $110 million, league sources told Yahoo Sports.

So is it the Mavs CAN'T match it or they won't match it?

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-28-2022, 10:28 PM

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So is it the Mavs CAN'T match it or they won't match it?

A fair question, but at this point, would you really want Brunson back at say, 5/150 when he doesn't really want to play here? And he'll want to control his destiny by going there instead of the us inevitably trying to move him later on to a team of our choosing.

Dtownsfinest · 06-28-2022, 10:34 PM

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A fair question, but at this point, would you really want Brunson back at say, 5/150 when he doesn't really want to play here? And he'll want to control his destiny by going there instead of the us inevitably trying to move him later on to a team of our choosing.

Oh I wouldn't but at this point its about getting compensation for him.

And I'm so out of touch with the current rules of the CBA/salary cap....so I could be off base here but if the Knicks want him this bad then why can't the Mavs match him and make the Knicks trade for him? They have draft picks why can't we take some of that? Or hell if its Quickly or someone.....

BPo001 · 06-28-2022, 10:44 PM

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Oh I wouldn't but at this point its about getting compensation for him.

And I'm so out of touch with the current rules of the CBA/salary cap....so I could be off base here but if the Knicks want him this bad then why can't the Mavs match him and make the Knicks trade for him? They have draft picks why can't we take some of that? Or hell if its Quickly or someone.....

Brunson is unrestricted because of the rookie contract given out by Donnie.

Amarelooms · 06-28-2022, 10:23 PM

Also knicks are punks in this. Don?t you usually do a sign and trade these cases with the other team. Like they purposely want to screw us. Don?t make deals with them in future. We gave up like 2 first round picks for kp to them in they trade.

Amarelooms · 06-28-2022, 10:37 PM

Talk me off ledge. Brunson gone with nothing in return. Dragic for vet minimum and The Who for the 6 mil? Still think need center over swing guard.

Amarelooms · 06-28-2022, 11:33 PM

Also need Powell traded along with whoever and even include a pick to get solid piece back. Powell needs to go. Use his expiring contract.

Thespiralgoeson · 06-28-2022, 11:40 PM

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Also need Powell traded along with whoever and even include a pick to get solid piece back. Powell needs to go. Use his expiring contract.

I don't want to give up any more picks unless we're getting something really good. We've given up, what, four picks in five years? Each one of those deals made sense in a vacuum, even the KP trade. But going years and years getting nothing out of the draft has a cumulative effect. We need to get quality young players on those rookie contracts.

Melonhead · 06-29-2022, 05:39 AM

For all the bullshit over the years about Cuban taking care of his own players, he?s such a weasel. Free agents see this stuff the team that drafted him won?t even pay up. Sure it?s an overpay but not by much. The few extra mil per year is not worth letting him walk. Jalen brings value as second best player.

Melonhead · 06-29-2022, 07:25 AM

I think it?s as simple as Cuban doesn?t want to pay 25m per

tap2390 · 06-29-2022, 07:31 AM

For once I don?t think Cuban is being a cheap ass. Look at everything the Knicks have done not just since draft day, but since the start of the calendar year. They have had the inside track on Brunson and have known that he was headed their way.

SMC0007 · 06-29-2022, 07:34 AM

Nico has made some good moves. I'll trust he can spin this into something decent at least. He can't force JB to re-sign. I hated re-signing THJ but Nico came on board a flaming ship with Rick and Donnie getting tossed off in a heap suddenly.

Hold..hooooold.

BPo001 · 06-29-2022, 07:41 AM

While only Dallas can offer a five-year contract and still has the ability to put a richer offer on the table than New York, sources indicate that the Mavericks don?t expect to be able to sway Brunson at this point. It is more likely, sources say, that Dallas will try to engage the Knicks in sign-and-trade talks to try to salvage a measure of compensation (and perhaps a trade exception) by trying to collaborate with New York on a deal. ? via Marc Stein @ marcstein.substack.com

So another TE we will let expire and not use?

BPo001 · 06-29-2022, 07:43 AM

The source close to Brunson believes it is important for the Knicks to lay out a detailed plan of how they will become a contender if Brunson joins them. That means everyone being aligned ? front office, coaches, players ? with one mission in mind. Brunson, the source said, will create a pros-and-cons list when it comes time to make a decision. ? via Zach Braziller @ New York Post

Boy, I sure hope JB shares his pros/cons list. I?d love to be a fly on the wall to hear how the Knicks, a team that hasn?t won a playoff series since 2013, plans to become a contender.

tap2390 · 06-29-2022, 07:50 AM

Lol JB about to learn real quick the difference between having defenses key in on you versus rushing to rotate to you after doubling Luka.

One good series against the Jazz (who allow every perimeter player to light them up) and here we are.

My plan B: sign TJ Warren to the full TPMLE; sign Dragic to the vet min and let's do this thing:

Luka - Dinwiddie - Dragic - Ntlikina
DFS - THJ - Hardy
Bull - Green - Pinson
Maxi - Warren - Bertans
Wood - Powell

We are missing an enforcer still, but f it. That's the best offensive team in the league. If we can maintain a top-15 defense we're a contender.

Amarelooms · 06-29-2022, 08:06 AM

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Lol JB about to learn real quick the difference between having defenses key in on you versus rushing to rotate to you after doubling Luka.

One good series against the Jazz (who allow every perimeter player to light them up) and here we are.

My plan B: sign TJ Warren to the full TPMLE; sign Dragic to the vet min and let's do this thing:

Luka - Dinwiddie - Dragic - Ntlikina
DFS - THJ - Hardy
Bull - Green - Pinson
Maxi - Warren - Bertans
Wood - Powell

We are missing an enforcer still, but f it. That's the best offensive team in the league. If we can maintain a top-15 defense we're a contender.

Need Powell. Thj and Bertran gone. Trade them

SMC0007 · 06-29-2022, 08:40 AM

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Lol JB about to learn real quick the difference between having defenses key in on you versus rushing to rotate to you after doubling Luka.

One good series against the Jazz (who allow every perimeter player to light them up) and here we are.

My plan B: sign TJ Warren to the full TPMLE; sign Dragic to the vet min and let's do this thing:

Luka - Dinwiddie - Dragic - Ntlikina
DFS - THJ - Hardy
Bull - Green - Pinson
Maxi - Warren - Bertans
Wood - Powell

We are missing an enforcer still, but f it. That's the best offensive team in the league. If we can maintain a top-15 defense we're a contender.

Good post. Would recommend.

I'm definitely on the TJ Warren train.

Your plan B is where I'm at.

BPo001 · 06-29-2022, 09:02 AM

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Good post. Would recommend.

I'm definitely on the TJ Warren train.

Your plan B is where I'm at.

Warrens injury history is worrisome, but sometimes you gotta take a swing. Still a bit worried about the lack of depth at Center.