2016 NBA Offseason Thread - Page 11 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

tap2390 · 08-07-2016, 03:43 PM

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Meh, I think they both needed a split. Good for the city, but I don't think he did something supremely noble.

I disagree they needed a split, I mean they had the Warriors on their heels at 3-1. It was pretty clear they could succeed together.

You're right that Russell didn't do something supremely noble, but compared to Durant he's a savant right now. Durant didn't even have the guts to tell Russ he was leaving. Meanwhile, Russ signed an extension that wasn't necessary at this point in his career. He could've easily decided to test the market or see how things would shake out in the offseason before committing. Instead he's showing the city loyalty now, and he'll rightly deserve his spot in franchise lore.

Melonhead · 08-07-2016, 03:43 PM

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Can't believe nobody has mentioned this yet.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/1...a-city-thunder

Westbrook shows leadership and heart, something KD gave up with his move to Golden State. Also, he's the clear favorite for MVP this year.

I wouldnt say clear favorite, but a favorite nonetheless. I see them as a 43-48 win team.

DevinHarriswillstart · 08-07-2016, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by tap2390

I disagree they needed a split, I mean they had the Warriors on their heels at 3-1. It was pretty clear they could succeed together.

You're right that Russell didn't do something supremely noble, but compared to Durant he's a savant right now. Durant didn't even have the guts to tell Russ he was leaving. Meanwhile, Russ signed an extension that wasn't necessary at this point in his career. He could've easily decided to test the market or see how things would shake out in the offseason before committing. Instead he's showing the city loyalty now, and he'll rightly deserve his spot in franchise lore.

I just don't get the Durant hate at all. People should be upset at the system and the fact that the player's union wouldn't allow a smoother cap raise. Otherwise, Durant had every right to choose where he wanted to go. And people wouldn't have given him nearly the same grief if he went somewhere else like Boston.

Don't have free agency if players aren't allowed to go where they want.

tap2390 · 08-07-2016, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I just don't get the Durant hate at all. People should be upset at the system and the fact that the player's union wouldn't allow a smoother cap raise. Otherwise, Durant had every right to choose where he wanted to go. And people wouldn't have given him nearly the same grief if he went somewhere else like Boston.

Don't have free agency if players aren't allowed to go where they want.

IMO he wouldn't have caught the same grief if he went to Boston. Instead, he went to the winningest team of all time, which also happened to eliminate him from the playoffs in heart-breaking manner. The way he did it -- indicating to Russ and Collison and others in the franchise that he was staying -- is also a part of it. I'm a UT guy through and through, and even I have begun to dislike our most famous basketball alumn.

Thebo · 08-07-2016, 06:52 PM

I agree that it is not about that KD left. It has more to do with where he decided to go. I also think KD's hate is overblown by the media, in no way it compares to Lebron.

In the end we will see how it turns out. If KD becomes best player GSW has, everyone will forget it soon. If he becomes a sidekick... well, then this drama will go on long.

I have to say I was not very fond of Westbrook. Liked his game but not in general. His Vine response to KD's decision kind of won me over and I am interested in seeing him on the floor. His extension is a nice gesture but that's all that it is. It made sense from financial point of view and the truth will come out when he really has to decide.

Underdog · 08-09-2016, 01:13 PM

Emeka Okafor working out in hopes of returning to NBA, agent says

Too bad he couldn't do this last year... Kinda glad Dallas isn't attached to this rumor though.

DevinHarriswillstart · 08-09-2016, 01:27 PM

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Emeka Okafor working out in hopes of returning to NBA, agent says

Too bad he couldn't do this last year... Kinda glad Dallas isn't attached to this rumor though.

I like this if Bogut was injured, but otherwise it doesn't make sense.

DevinHarriswillstart · 08-17-2016, 05:17 PM

Yi Jianlin to the Lakers 1 yr/8 mil per Stein.

Underdog · 08-17-2016, 07:17 PM

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Yi Jianlin to the Lakers 1 yr/8 mil per Stein.

He actually played pretty well in the Olympics... No doubt that has a lot to do with it.

Thebo · 08-18-2016, 07:58 PM

Really surprised about Jianlin and the amount. Perhaps Lakers want to tap into Asian market and fanbase in Los Angeles.

EricaLubarsky · 08-19-2016, 12:22 AM

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Really surprised about Jianlin and the amount. Perhaps Lakers want to tap into Asian market and fanbase in Los Angeles.

Incredibly poorly reported by Stein. He got the minimum of 1.139 mill, not 8. Dude has 2 mill make-good bonus if he makes the allstar team, and several other ridiculous clauses. He was a vet min with very good (but ridiculously unlikely options)

http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakers...nap-story.html

spreedom · 08-19-2016, 07:40 AM

I'm pretty sure he still counts as $8M against the cap (and as a trade chip) with those incentives, FWIW.

tap2390 · 08-19-2016, 08:54 AM

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Incredibly poorly reported by Stein. He got the minimum of 1.139 mill, not 8. Dude has 2 mill make-good bonus if he makes the allstar team, and several other ridiculous clauses. He was a vet min with very good (but ridiculously unlikely options)

http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakers...nap-story.html

The Lakers did give Luol Deng $72 million. $8 million for Yi seemed believable haha.

EricaLubarsky · 09-13-2016, 09:17 PM

McGary suspended 5 games for using drugs. Then suspended 10 games for refusing to take a test. Oops.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources...141647313.html

DevinHarriswillstart · 09-14-2016, 11:49 AM

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McGary suspended 5 games for using drugs. Then suspended 10 games for refusing to take a test. Oops.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources...141647313.html

If it's pot, then who cares? Seriously, it should've been legal 30 years ago and tons of NBA players get away with doing it. Sure, he is dumb for risking his career and money on it, but when is this country going to wake up and just legalize it.

BPo001 · 09-23-2016, 05:47 PM

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/1...fluential-star

Another all time great retires. Definitely the turning of a page in the NBA with these all time great players retiring (Kobe, Duncan) and others right behind them (Dirk). Was never a huge KG fan, but he played a big part in the way things are in the NBA today.

Underdog · 09-23-2016, 06:23 PM

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http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/1...fluential-star

Another all time great retires. Definitely the turning of a page in the NBA with these all time great players retiring (Kobe, Duncan) and others right behind them (Dirk). Was never a huge KG fan, but he played a big part in the way things are in the NBA today.

Saw he got his contract bought out, was wondering if he was retiring or trying to chase another ring... I guess it was the former.

DevinHarriswillstart · 09-25-2016, 01:41 PM

Bosh failed his physical to nobody's surprise. Whiteside is going to have fun playing with um...what's his name?

Underdog · 09-25-2016, 02:15 PM

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Bosh failed his physical to nobody's surprise. Whiteside is going to have fun playing with um...what's his name?

Pretty sure he's teaming up with Dirk's old sidekick, Cap Space.

DevinHarriswillstart · 09-26-2016, 10:44 AM

Yep, Pat Riley confirms that Bosh won't play this season and likely ever again for the Heat.

Funny how players that spurn the Mavs get cursed. Williams staying with the lowly Nets. Howard choosing the Rockets and is now a Hawk. Deandre Jordan and his championship caliber Clippers losing in the first round last season. Whiteside gets to play with the ghosts of Wade, Bosh, and Lebron.

Thespiralgoeson · 09-27-2016, 03:05 AM

With Kobe, Duncan, and Garnett all retired now, does that make Dirk the longest tenured player in the NBA? I can't think of anyone else who's been around since 1998 or earlier.

Bryan_Wilson · 09-27-2016, 03:35 AM

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With Kobe, Duncan, and Garnett all retired now, does that make Dirk the longest tenured player in the NBA? I can't think of anyone else who's been around since 1998 or earlier.

VC and Paul Pierce are both in Dirk's class. If Andre Miller is still around he was drafted in 99 so 1 less year of tenure but is older than all of them.

Thebo · 09-27-2016, 07:22 AM

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Yep, Pat Riley confirms that Bosh won't play this season and likely ever again for the Heat.

Funny how players that spurn the Mavs get cursed. Williams staying with the lowly Nets. Howard choosing the Rockets and is now a Hawk. Deandre Jordan and his championship caliber Clippers losing in the first round last season. Whiteside gets to play with the ghosts of Wade, Bosh, and Lebron.

Whiteside got burned the most in my opinion. I'm not too mad about missing out on him though, not sure he won't end up Michael Beasley. Not sad about missing out on Deron, Mavs were lucky there.

Thespiralgoeson · 09-27-2016, 05:24 PM

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VC and Paul Pierce are both in Dirk's class. If Andre Miller is still around he was drafted in 99 so 1 less year of tenure but is older than all of them.

I thought they were both retired too. Shows how out of the loop I am.

EricaLubarsky · 09-30-2016, 10:12 PM

Does it surprise anyone that Ben Simmons broke his foot?

Underdog · 10-01-2016, 10:49 AM

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Does it surprise anyone that Ben Simmons broke his foot?

Plan Tank Forever in full-effect.

EricaLubarsky · 10-01-2016, 11:39 AM

Also anyone surprised that the Rockets are having a hard time getting guys convinced to return? Motiejunas apparently not excited to come back.

Melonhead · 10-01-2016, 01:43 PM

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Also anyone surprised that the Rockets are having a hard time getting guys convinced to return? Motiejunas apparently not excited to come back.

link?

EricaLubarsky · 10-01-2016, 02:35 PM

https://www.google.com/amp/www.cbssp...?client=safari

Underdog · 10-01-2016, 03:05 PM

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Also anyone surprised that the Rockets are having a hard time getting guys convinced to return? Motiejunas apparently not excited to come back.

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https://www.google.com/amp/www.cbssp...?client=safari

You know your team is a dumpster fire when marginal guys like Motiejunas are seriously considering playing in Europe instead...

EricaLubarsky · 10-01-2016, 03:32 PM

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You know your team is a dumpster fire when marginal guys like Motiejunas are seriously considering playing in Europe instead...

But Harden is a leader. He will bring in the big names like Howard

DevinHarriswillstart · 10-01-2016, 04:25 PM

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Also anyone surprised that the Rockets are having a hard time getting guys convinced to return? Motiejunas apparently not excited to come back.

Morey treats his players like pawns in his little game...nothing more. The way the Rockets treat their players versus the Mavs are oceans apart. That was evident with the way they treated Howard.

Underdog · 10-01-2016, 05:49 PM

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Morey treats his players like pawns in his little game...nothing more. The way the Rockets treat their players versus the Mavs are oceans apart. That was evident with the way they treated Howard.

Moreyball is all about what's on paper, a straight-up fantasy basketball mindset that treats human beings as commodities... They've had almost as much turnover as we have in the past few years, but most of ours has been due to "win now" 1-year contracts given to reclamation projects and veterans (hired guns with an opportunity to stick), whereas Houston keeps trading away good players for guys who don't move the needle. Morey doesn't seem to realize that sometimes the best trade is the one you don't make -- it's hard to convince a free agent like Motiejunas to stick around when there's no loyalty... He'll probably just get traded anyway!

But losing him to EuroLeague? Lol.

EricaLubarsky · 10-02-2016, 05:31 PM

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap...ockets-Expires

D-Mo may have played his last game for the Rockets

EricaLubarsky · 10-04-2016, 11:51 PM

So the NBA thought they'd like to televise a pre-season game. Chose Warriors and Clippers. Yeah

Thebo · 10-05-2016, 09:42 AM

Probably Pierce's and Rivers' talk of superteam caught an eye. Here's their chance to prove it.

Underdog · 10-06-2016, 07:57 PM

NBA, union optimistic of new CBA deal in coming weeks

EricaLubarsky · 10-07-2016, 08:52 AM

vine.co/v/5gMALar5Yn6

dirt_dobber · 10-07-2016, 03:17 PM

(said in Jim Carrey voice) - WELL ALRIGHTY THEN...
Tim MacMahon
ESPN Staff Writer

Grizzlies coach David Fizdale, a former Miami assistant, envisions using Chandler Parsons the same way the Heat featured LeBron James. "When I said I want to play him like LeBron, I do," Fizdale said. "I really do want to use him, because there's not many guys in the league at that size that have that skill set, and there's no reason why I should put a cap on his abilities because his name isn't LeBron James. I just see the same skill set. He's not a high flyer like LeBron obviously, but he can pass it, he can shoot the 3, he's huge, he can post guys and he moves great without the basketball, so I can move him around in a lot of different spots. I do not want to put a ceiling on him. I want to see how far we can go with him and put him in a role that is positionless. … I think all it takes is a coach showing that he has the confidence in a guy to do it and develop him according to the system and then it can take place.

Bryan_Wilson · 10-07-2016, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by dirt_dobber

(said in Jim Carrey voice) - WELL ALRIGHTY THEN...
Tim MacMahon
ESPN Staff Writer

Grizzlies coach David Fizdale, a former Miami assistant, envisions using Chandler Parsons the same way the Heat featured LeBron James. "When I said I want to play him like LeBron, I do," Fizdale said. "I really do want to use him, because there's not many guys in the league at that size that have that skill set, and there's no reason why I should put a cap on his abilities because his name isn't LeBron James. I just see the same skill set. He's not a high flyer like LeBron obviously, but he can pass it, he can shoot the 3, he's huge, he can post guys and he moves great without the basketball, so I can move him around in a lot of different spots. I do not want to put a ceiling on him. I want to see how far we can go with him and put him in a role that is positionless. … I think all it takes is a coach showing that he has the confidence in a guy to do it and develop him according to the system and then it can take place.

While I do think he has a skillset we didn't necessarily use fully.... none of that included some imaginary lebron post game. He can shoot and he can do some things with the ball in his hands in the pnr but cant beat his defender off the dribble and his only move to create anything at all is a pumpfake... Also maybe I'm reading it out of the context he ment it to be used in, but it almost looks to me like a shot at RC for not having confidence in him or developing his "lebron james" like skills.... Now that that's out of the way...