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clutch#41 · 04-19-2011, 08:22 PM

hmmmmmmmmmmm
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=6391378

if they go on a fire sale, i love roddy but kevin martin would be nice!!!

thoughts???

sefant77 · 04-19-2011, 10:10 PM

Top3 of the most overrated players in the league.

Doest play defense at all (with the potential to screw the entire team offense) and always completly disappear in the 4th/crunchtime.

Mavericks Rockets Fan · 04-19-2011, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

Top3 of the most overrated players in the league.

Doest play defense at all (with the potential to screw the entire team offense) and always completly disappear in the 4th/crunchtime.

Agree with everything except "the potential to screw the entire team offense". He is actually a very good team offensive player. He doesn't ball hog and will not force a bad shot if it isn't there. There is a good reason why he is such a efficient scorer...

mavs777 · 04-19-2011, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

Top3 of the most overrated players in the league.

Doest play defense at all (with the potential to screw the entire team offense) and always completly disappear in the 4th/crunchtime.

He is a great scorer, and one of the most effecient ones at that, I would take him in half a second. Would help cut down on Kidds and Dirks minutes and we would really see more blowouts.

sefant77 · 04-19-2011, 11:26 PM

He scores 20+ points and he fucks up at least for 15points in the defense

Mavericks Rockets Fan · 04-19-2011, 11:37 PM

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He scores 20+ points and he fucks up at least for 15points in the defense

On a team like Houston without any interior defensive presence, yes. But on a team like Dallas I don't think the defensive loss will be as drastic. Remember, Martin's biggest weakness on defense is fighting through picks (he has a thin build). On a team that plays a decent amount of zone - like Dallas - his biggest defensive weakness can get somewhat covered.

All in all, if we have a chance to get him, we MUST pull the trigger on that deal - even if we have to give up Roddy.

mavs777 · 04-19-2011, 11:39 PM

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He scores 20+ points and he fucks up at least for 15points in the defense

No perimeter player screws up 15 PPG, including barea jet ect

Kidd Karma · 04-22-2011, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Rockets Fan

On a team like Houston without any interior defensive presence, yes. But on a team like Dallas I don't think the defensive loss will be as drastic. Remember, Martin's biggest weakness on defense is fighting through picks (he has a thin build). On a team that plays a decent amount of zone - like Dallas - his biggest defensive weakness can get somewhat covered.

All in all, if we have a chance to get him, we MUST pull the trigger on that deal - even if we have to give up Roddy.

With the win now mentality, looming lockout and another lost summer, training camp for Roddy, I'm leaning to just move the kid for Martin. But we are definitley going to need to find starting caliber PG.

sefant77 · 04-22-2011, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Rockets Fan

Agree with everything except "the potential to screw the entire team offense". He is actually a very good team offensive player. He doesn't ball hog and will not force a bad shot if it isn't there. There is a good reason why he is such a efficient scorer...

I meant he is screwing the whole team defense, not offense. My mistake.

JeffViggiano · 04-23-2011, 03:25 AM

future Roddy >>>>>>>> kevin martin

mavs777 · 04-23-2011, 03:31 AM

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future Roddy >>>>>>>> kevin martin

am I suppose to take this seriously?

ty · 04-23-2011, 09:33 AM

In a heartbeat.

DTownKidd · 04-23-2011, 11:05 AM

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am I suppose to take this seriously?

I like roddy and he has potential to be a good contributor, but IMHO he will never be the lead scorer for any team. He is just undersized. Right now he has amazing quickness and can get good looks from his athleticism, but because of his smaller body he will not be able to force his way into the lane. Most of his moves right now are in motion or spot up shooting. To really be an effective scorer in the league he needs to work on his face to face one on one moves, relying on positioning, jabs and pump fakes to get his shot.

His small sizes has shown over the last year with the 2 injuries.

mavs777 · 04-25-2011, 01:59 AM

the only thing not to like about Martins offensive game is he goes to the Manu Ginobli school of flopping

DTownKidd · 04-25-2011, 07:48 PM

You act like drawing tons of fouls and being a good ft shooter is a bad thing...just can draw contact all the time...thats very valuable on many levels

mavs777 · 04-26-2011, 12:53 AM

it is, its hard to watch though, lol. I would love to have it on my team tho

Cousins15 · 05-31-2011, 05:45 PM

i've seen this guy play. he is good for points but doesn't play a lick of D. he'll cause the rest of your defense to collapse due to his allergy to defense. i wouldn't give anything considerable for him.

Mavericks Rockets Fan · 05-31-2011, 11:55 PM

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i've seen this guy play. he is good for points but doesn't play a lick of D. he'll cause the rest of your defense to collapse due to his allergy to defense. i wouldn't give anything considerable for him.

He'll do just fine in Dallas' zone defense. Pick and roll is his biggest problem and with the zone, it may just eliminate that. His 1 on 1 isn't bad and Rick Adelman even had him guard Kobe for stretches (Martin did a pretty good job). I would trade for him in a heartbeat and give up Roddy if I had to...

Mavericks Rockets Fan · 06-01-2011, 12:24 AM

Next year I'd do this trade:

To Dallas: Martin, Hill(filler)
To Houston: Haywood, Roddy, Brewer(filler)

Houston gets the center they desperately need and a very good young player in Roddy.

Dallas gets that second fiddle to Dirk they've always needed. Martin will score his 20 ppg and do it efficiently. Ian Mahinmi is now the new backup C.

Dallas reaches NBA Finals and beats the Heat in 6...

DTownKidd · 06-01-2011, 02:25 PM

Thats not a bad trade...I like Caron, but we can afford to resign him. We have to resign Chandler obviously.

DTownKidd · 06-01-2011, 02:25 PM

cant*

mavs777 · 06-01-2011, 03:53 PM

not sure how anyone would say that Terry or Booby are better options than Martin