The 2006-2007 Jerry Stackhouse Hate Thread - Page 4 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

chumdawg · 11-09-2006, 01:22 AM

We didn't sign Stackhouse. We traded Antawn Jamison for Stackhouse and the #5 pick in the draft (Harris).

Johnson may have annointed Stackhouse, but we didn't sign him to a contract.

Five-ofan · 11-09-2006, 03:23 AM

as always even when he does something good to give you a little hope he more than counterbalances it with crap later.

Dirkadirkastan · 11-09-2006, 03:44 AM

For whatever reason, some guy two rows behind me was heckling Stackhouse every time he was on the floor. He never heckled anyone else, or cheered for the Clippers. He just yelled at Stack all night.

V2M · 11-09-2006, 09:00 AM

STACK MUST GO!

Murphy3 · 11-09-2006, 06:23 PM

This just in.... Stack can't shoot.

Darth Ape · 11-09-2006, 07:14 PM

What would happen if the Mavs bench Stackhouse and STILL lose? Who's next on the list?

Mavs Rule · 11-09-2006, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Five-ofan

as always even when he does something good to give you a little hope he more than counterbalances it with crap later.

I have been looking for a sig for years on this site. EUREKA!

mary · 11-09-2006, 08:01 PM

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What would happen if the Mavs bench Erick Dampier and STILL lose? Who's next on my list?

??

dude1394 · 11-09-2006, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Darth Ape

What would happen if the Mavs bench Stackhouse and STILL lose? Who's next on the list?

Croshere is next for sure.

Dirkadirkastan · 11-09-2006, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Darth Ape

What would happen if the Mavs bench Stackhouse and STILL lose? Who's next on the list?

Stackhouse, because he's taking up a roster spot that could have been taken by someone useful.

dude1394 · 11-09-2006, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by mary

??

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Originally Posted by Darth Ape
What would happen if the Mavs bench Erick Dampier and STILL lose? Who's next on my list?

Now THAT is funny..

chumdawg · 11-10-2006, 01:29 AM

As Jerry Stackhouse goes, so go the Dallas Mavericks?

Hm?

FINtastic · 11-10-2006, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

As Jerry Stackhouse goes, so go the Dallas Mavericks?

Hm?

That's a scary thought. I'm talking Exorcist scary.

Dtownsfinest · 11-10-2006, 01:32 AM

Oh I sure as hell hope not because if we have to wait every 5 games in order for Stack to show up we're going to be a lottery team. Props to Stack though for his game tonight. It definately was a deciding factor. I won't give him too much props because before I know it he'll be stinking it up again.

Dirkadirkastan · 11-10-2006, 01:44 AM

Rule of thumb for role players:

If the shots are falling, keep shooting. But if they're bricking, pass the f*cking ball.

snoop · 11-10-2006, 03:45 AM

stack had a good game and as I have said before he brings more than stats, which you can't over estimate

Darth Ape · 11-10-2006, 08:36 AM

Big game by Stack. He looked great last night.

aexchange · 11-10-2006, 09:54 AM

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Big game by Stack. He looked great last night.

he had a nice game, but he is really prone to making some bone headed mistakes at the worst possible time. overall, i thought he played fairly well, but i dont know if we can count on it over an entire season.

mqywaaah · 11-10-2006, 09:59 AM

I still dont know if Stack can keep up that form throughout the year.

MavsFanatik33 · 11-10-2006, 11:14 AM

Stackhouse played great last night, he is a great player for the Mavs...everyone needs to get off him

dirt_dobber · 11-10-2006, 11:19 AM

Stack played very well tonight. I want more consistency from him.

mqywaaah · 11-10-2006, 11:40 AM

Stack deserves a big Kudos for a great performance tonight. Hope to see more of that in the coming games. Kudos!

Flacolaco · 11-10-2006, 11:44 AM

All stack needs to do is hold down the fort until Josh gets back and we can some points out of him. Stack at this point I see as a band-aid offensively. His body is not going to allow him to play like he did last night for very long stretches this season, and if they try to rely on it much longer, they're going to have a hard time of it. (I know this is nothing new) Why has the Stack hate thread turned to stack love?

he's still a bonehead

vashjan · 11-10-2006, 11:58 AM

stack needs to play 20 - 22 min..no more. He is useless beyond that

WurzburgBorn · 11-10-2006, 12:19 PM

I remember when I used to think getting Devin Harris and Jerry Stackhouse for Antwan Jamison was a great deal. Those were the days, eh?

Murphy3 · 11-10-2006, 05:12 PM

No.... Stack can't keep it up.. He's not going to duplicate what he did last night very often. There's a reason why he has a miserable FG% for his career and it's not because he's a good shooter. Couple that with his decreased ability to finish around the rim and you have a guy that's going to give the team alot of downs with a few ups. He's going to be extremely inconsistent.. That's just who he is. He's going to make idiotic decisions at time. That's just who he is. And yes, sometimes he'll have a really good game. But no, that's not who he is.

Five-ofan · 11-10-2006, 05:25 PM

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No.... Stack can't keep it up.. He's not going to duplicate what he did last night very often. There's a reason why he has a miserable FG% for his career and it's not because he's a good shooter. Couple that with his decreased ability to finish around the rim and you have a guy that's going to give the team alot of downs with a few ups. He's going to be extremely inconsistent.. That's just who he is. He's going to make idiotic decisions at time. That's just who he is. And yes, sometimes he'll have a really good game. But no, that's not who he is.

I wouldnt call him extremely inconsistent. He has a good game roughly once every 35 games. He takes and misses alot of stupid shots. He rarely passes. He doesnt defend and he doesnt board. Thats fairly consistent... Not in a good way mind you but its fairly consistent.

Murphy3 · 11-10-2006, 05:31 PM

You're right...my bad. He is consistently an underachiever.

nashtymavsfan13 · 11-10-2006, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by WurzburgBorn

I remember when I used to think getting Devin Harris and Jerry Stackhouse for Antwan Jamison was a great deal. Those were the days, eh?

Haha, yeah. I didn't like that trade at all at the begining, but Harris has turned out well.

MavsMandy · 11-10-2006, 05:38 PM

i'm all for stackhouse having an awesome game now and then. he can win a couple for us, and that's great.

the problem is, games like that give credence to the idea that stack should be on the floor during crunch time or that he should be a focal point of the offense. given avery's inexplicable man-love for stack, this can only be a bad thing. just because the outcome was good last night doesn't mean that the decision was a good one in general.

G-Man · 11-11-2006, 02:45 AM

Stack's redeeming feature is that he stepped up in the playoffs when other guys were stepping back.

Too bad we're an entire consistantly inconsistant season away from the playoffs.

If he can have 2 more good starts and hold the fort until Josh returns, I'll kiss his ass. Figurativly.

Five-ofan · 11-11-2006, 02:53 AM

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Stack's redeeming feature is that he stepped up in the playoffs when other guys were stepping back.

Too bad we're an entire consistantly inconsistant season away from the playoffs.

If he can have 2 more good starts and hold the fort until Josh returns, I'll kiss his ass. Figurativly.

I still want to know where this notion that stack stepped up during the playoffs come from. He was pretty mediocre in the playoffs. Yes he was better than he normally is but thats not to difficult.

dude1394 · 11-11-2006, 03:02 AM

the good and bad of stackhouse is that he's unconscious. He did step up in quite a few games that I recall. I'd have to go pull out the individual stats. Jerry is the 4th best scorer on the mavs.

If you can think of someone who they can get for him great, I'm all for it. But to take away (in the playoffs) 13.7 ppg is not a good idea.

He had less to's than josh or devin.

He does seem to go asleep on defense but he's a scorer and the mavs DON'T have enough of those for sure.

Dirkadirkastan · 11-11-2006, 04:10 AM

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I still want to know where this notion that stack stepped up during the playoffs come from. He was pretty mediocre in the playoffs. Yes he was better than he normally is but thats not to difficult.

I think he means that there were certain moments when Stack took over, rather than him having overall impressive stats. For example, he hit two big shots in overtime in Game 7 against the Spurs, and went on a 10-0 run by himself just before halftime in Game 2 of the Finals.

Five-ofan · 11-11-2006, 04:16 AM

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I think he means that there were certain moments when Stack took over, rather than him having overall impressive stats. For example, he hit two big shots in overtime in Game 7 against the Spurs, and went on a 10-0 run by himself just before halftime in Game 2 of the Finals.

And yet he still managed to be average over the course of the entire playoffs, which should make you realize just how bad he was at other times.

wmbwinn · 11-11-2006, 12:32 PM

http://www.82games.com/0506/05DAL6D.HTM

The above link is fairly exhaustive set of stats for Stackhouse for the entire season. He did better than that in the playoffs. He was missing for about 40% of the early season. He had a rough start coming back into playing regularly in the regular season.

The above stats (link) is fairly damning/condemning.

But, there are a few facts to consider in my mind about the value of Stackhouse:
1)The Mavs offense is all about "ISO" and Stack is all about "ISO" on offense.
2)Stack last year was the third main offensive tool of the team (Dirk and Terry being one and two in that order).
3)Last year, we saw the emerging role of some other players who looked like they might move into the top three as to offensive value (mainly Josh Howard but also Devin at times but Devin was and is still too inconsistent).
4)This year, Josh is either the two or three man on the offensive pecking order. He may have even moved Terry down to the third spot.
5)The emergence of Josh means that Stack can do what Stack does best- come off the bench for short bursts of minutes to bring more offensive intensity.
6)Stack is a great passer. No one finds men in the paint off of penetration on this team as well as Stack. And, few can be compared to Stack's ability to penetrate in the first place. This is where the stats don't show what he does. There isn't always an immediate assist to record there. But, Stack forces a double team and then starts the passes that eventually put the ball in the hands of an open man. Without someone doing that, the Dallas offense plainly sucks. Dallas is all about penetration and forcing a double cover assignment. We score in ISO and "shake down" defenses by ISO moves and either score or pass to find the open man forced by the double team.
7)Stack has an impressive mid range game. If he gets the ball in the 10-12 foot range, he will destroy a defense by forcing big men to respond in double coverage. And, Stack shoots pretty well near the paint.

It is that simple. If Devin emerges as a passer off of his penetrations and if Devin learns the "tear drop" shot in the paint instead of trying to dunk on Tim Duncan, then Devin can go a long way to make Stack obsolete on our team. Terry can improve on this as well. Josh can get better at passing off of his "ISO" moves as well. Dirk excels at this (passing off of an "ISO" move) or Dirk just completes the "ISO" for two-three points.

There is one other thing to not be overlooked about the good side of Stack- He is a team leader in areas of confidence and moral.

There are many things to complain about with Stackhouse and I understand the theme of this thread:
1)he is old
2)he can't play heavy minutes and will suffer injuries if Avery expects Stack to frequently play a heavy minute role. Stack is better played sparingly and reserved for the playoffs.
3)he isn't quick enough nor can he jump like he used to. this hurts him on defense. He is often coming in as a "3" and he can't guard many 3's. This is especially apparent with Josh missing due to injury.
4)His shooting percentage sucks. This is primarily because he forcing shots off the "ISO" moves. But, if Dallas doesn't force the "ISO" issue, the Dallas offense is impotent.
Stack got pretty hot behind the 3 point line in the playoffs. I didn't go back and read stats and you can disagree with that by quoting stats. I just remember him hitting a lot of big 3's at key points.

We have brought in Devean George to nicely fix many of the problems on the above problem list. Specifically, Devean is a capable defender and rebounder. And, I don't expect Devean to be a high volume, low percentage shooter who takes shots he shouldn't. Devean played a big role against the Suns to my mind. Devean will shoot a better percentage and his shots will be closer to the basket.

We brought in Croshere to handle the need for another 3 point shooter to help Dirk and Terry (who should continue to be 1 and 2 on the number of 3 point shots taken). So, Stack might not log as many minutes when Avery is thinking he needs to stretch a defense with more 3 point shots. Josh is shooting more 3's and he seems to be doing well (again, I didn't go look at the stats- that is just my general observation/impression).

But, when the Mavs' offense goes stagnant, Devin and Stack will see minutes because they force the "ISO" issue very well and can make the offense go. Even if neither scores, they make the rest of the offense happen.

destroy ALL · 11-11-2006, 12:42 PM

i have no idea why all you guys hate on stack so much?! he's clutch, he's fearless, and he's fucking tough! he takes it to the rack hard, has a nice jumpshot with extended range, has a beautiful free throw technique, and will kick you fucking ass after a game if you fuck with him on the court! I for one love your game stack, brush all the haters off and keep doing what you do.

wmbwinn · 11-11-2006, 01:43 PM

http://www.82games.com/0506/05DAL6E.HTM

Here's another set of stats of what Stack does when the game is on the line...

not bad. You can compare his end game stats to those of our other key players and find that there is a very good reason that Stack is on the court when it matters...

wmbwinn · 11-11-2006, 01:47 PM

look at the "clutch" category for Devin Harris, Diop, Dirk, Josh, and Terry. Add Stackhouse and you have the list of our best clutch players. compare their stats to those of the other players that they split time with. Diop is a much better clutch player than Damp. Devin actually outplays Terry (stats not entirely fair because Terry has a lot more time/minutes and Devin's stats are based on fewer minutes and therefore aren't entirely reliable in a direct comparison by the laws of math/statistics). But, Stack was always in the games when they were on the line (except when injured) and Stack did well.

nashtymavsfan13 · 11-11-2006, 03:15 PM

He played a great game, but he's still the same old Stack. I yelled at my TV 5-6 times at terrible shots he took that he somehow made. Like 5-0 mentioned earlier, he has one good game every 35 or so, and the other 34 those bad shots always miss.