Mavs seeding

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Playoffs!! Playoffs??!! This team is improving and who knows how good we could be by then, but it's not like we are going to be expected to win a series if we even make the playoffs. We have house money this season since I can't imagine anyone really expecting this roster to make any sort of legitimate run.

I disagree

Playoffs are all about matchups.

No one felt the Mavs could beat the Lakers back in 2011 but the Mavs had a trio of wing defenders they could throw at kobe and two bigs who could matchup with Bynum and Gasol.

In 07 the Warriors were a bad matchup foe the Mavs

I believe the Mavs would fair well vs the Clippers or Blazers but not the Nuggets or Suns.

Chris Paul scares me for the Suns because the Mavs never seem to stop that guy especially late in games.

If they get the Lakers with a hobbling AD the dynamics of a series like that would change.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

I disagree

Playoffs are all about matchups.

No one felt the Mavs could beat the Lakers back in 2011 but the Mavs had a trio of wing defenders they could throw at kobe and two bigs who could matchup with Bynum and Gasol.

In 07 the Warriors were a bad matchup foe the Mavs

I believe the Mavs would fair well vs the Clippers or Blazers but not the Nuggets or Suns.

Chris Paul scares me for the Suns because the Mavs never seem to stop that guy especially late in games.

If they get the Lakers with a hobbling AD the dynamics of a series like that would change.

Playoffs are all about performance. Matchup advantages are only as good as how you execute them. There's no way around that.

There is NO comparison between this roster and the 2011 roster. For that matter, there was superior talent on the '07 team as well. We should have won that series, but we got outcoached and the players got rattle. It shaped who Dirk became.

This roster is not a contender, even if we are hitting on all cylinders we are not enough to sustain a contending run.

[MFFL]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

I disagree

Playoffs are all about matchups.

I disagree

The playoffs are about clicking at the right time. In 2011, we had a bad matchup in every series and won them all

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by MFFL

I disagree

The playoffs are about clicking at the right time. In 2011, we had a bad matchup in every series and won them all

They played Portland and OKC

Those weren't bad matchups for the Mavs.

The Mavs were the better team all year and it showed in the playoffs vs those teams.

If you want to make an argument for the Lakers and Heat that's cool but I don't buy the Blazers and Thunder because neither one of them were stopping Dallas all year that season.

[MFFL]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

They played Portland and OKC

Those weren't bad matchups for the Mavs.

The Mavs were the better team all year and it showed in the playoffs vs those teams.

If you want to make an argument for the Lakers and Heat that's cool but I don't buy the Blazers and Thunder because neither one of them were stopping Dallas all year that season.

The Mavericks were 2-2 against Portland and our two wins came early in the season. And 2-1 against OKC (who had Durant, Harden, and Westbrook)

Where did you get the idea that neither one of them weren't able to stop Dallas?

And I distinctly remember that the only team that we were the favorites was the Portland series and Portland was the the darlings of the NBA when they beat us 2 games in a row to tie the series

[G-Man]

[QUOTE=Dallas41;1492132]

Playoffs are all about matchups.

The matchup that made the biggest difference in 2011 was JJ Barea. The Lakers and the Heat were mature teams, but neither had anyone quick enough to stay in front of JJB. The sight of 90 year old Derrick Fisher chasing him around is forever solidified in my memory. Miami had no answer for him, so he started the last 2 or 3 games.

Matchups are huge in the playoffs, but more important is who steps up to the challenge. Just ask Paul George.

[Heezzi]

Lakers could fall to 8, draw Mavericks in play-in, play the Warriors in the second play in, and miss the playoffs.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by Heezzi

Lakers could fall to 8, draw Mavericks in play-in, play the Warriors in the second play in, and miss the playoffs.

If the Lakers fall to 8, that would almost certainly mean the Mavs are up to 6th and not in the play-in.

I could see the rest taking place, though.

[Heezzi]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

If the Lakers fall to 8, that would almost certainly mean the Mavs are up to 6th and not in the play-in.

I could see the rest taking place, though.

Not necessarily.

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by Heezzi

Lakers could fall to 8, draw Mavericks in play-in, play the Warriors in the second play in, and miss the playoffs.

This ain't happening the Lakers unlike the Mavs have proven they can win games now without their star players.

If someone had asked me a month a ago if they could continue to win I would have said NO way in hell.

And even if they do play the Mavs in a play in game they would kick our ass so we would be the team to play Golden St not LA.

Also impressed with Phoenix....

I'm not sure how the Suns surpassed the Mavs so quickly when the Mavs were talked about as being the team with the bigger upside.

Phoenix Front office has done an amazing job surrounding Booker & Ayton with with solid talent far superior then what Dallas has done surrounding Luka and KP in the same amount of time.

[tap2390]

Suns FO did a great job gathering tradable assets. I don’t blame the Mavs for not making the CP3 deal because I don’t think they could beat the Suns offer which basically ended up being 2 1st round picks, 1 1st round move up, and a couple of young guys.

Ultimately Mavs need to push hard for another star and do whatever it takes to get him. A dollar is worth more than 5 quarters in the NBA.

[Bryan_Wilson]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

This ain't happening the Lakers unlike the Mavs have proven they can win games now without their star players.

If someone had asked me a month a ago if they could continue to win I would have said NO way in hell.

And even if they do play the Mavs in a play in game they would kick our ass so we would be the team to play Golden St not LA.

Also impressed with Phoenix....

I'm not sure how the Suns surpassed the Mavs so quickly when the Mavs were talked about as being the team with the bigger upside.

Phoenix Front office has done an amazing job surrounding Booker & Ayton with with solid talent far superior then what Dallas has done surrounding Luka and KP in the same amount of time.

I find the Suns part disingenuous at best...

The Suns didn't trade firsts to get Ayton like the Mavs did with Luka. The Suns didn't trade firsts to get booker like the Mavs did with KP. Comparing their moves after the arrival of KP can't be more night and day different from an asset perspective.

The Suns took 5 years to become competitive after drafting Booker. They surrounded him with so much "help" during that time that they drafted in the lottery every year after Booker was drafted. During that time they drafted in the top 5 in 3 different years(Bender-bust, Jackson-bust, Ayton- hard to bust a #1 pick but they could have had Luka), the 6th pick once(Traded down for Cam), and the 10th pick once(Jalen). The Mavs meanwhile after moving up for Luka immediately that season moved heaven and earth to get him a co-star. And have had 1 1st round pick since Luka's arrival(Green). Can anyone imagine how much this place would meltdown if we took 5 years being patient and drafting and busting like the Suns did after Booker? We made it to the playoffs the year after Luka got here and we meltdown in every GDT. Luka's skill alone makes us drafting in the top 5 let alone number 1 impossible though honestly.

We are comparing a team that has picked in the lottery for like 12 of the last 14 years to the Mavs who have been competitive with the exception of Dirks final years for an incredibly long time. Those things matter because the Steve Nash trade to LA led to the drafting of Mikal Bridges. They are a good looking team and grats to them but the only area the Mavs are total failures imo is free agency. Even if people want to complain about Bey vs Green that's one pick and one that was significantly later than the Suns have picked since Booker's arrival.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

I find the Suns part disingenuous at best...

The Suns didn't trade firsts to get Ayton like the Mavs did with Luka. The Suns didn't trade firsts to get booker like the Mavs did with KP. Comparing their moves after the arrival of KP can't be more night and day different from an asset perspective.

The Suns took 5 years to become competitive after drafting Booker. They surrounded him with so much "help" during that time that they drafted in the lottery every year after Booker was drafted. During that time they drafted in the top 5 in 3 different years(Bender-bust, Jackson-bust, Ayton- hard to bust a #1 pick but they could have had Luka), the 6th pick once(Traded down for Cam), and the 10th pick once(Jalen). The Mavs meanwhile after moving up for Luka immediately that season moved heaven and earth to get him a co-star. And have had 1 1st round pick since Luka's arrival(Green). Can anyone imagine how much this place would meltdown if we took 5 years being patient and drafting and busting like the Suns did after Booker? We made it to the playoffs the year after Luka got here and we meltdown in every GDT. Luka's skill alone makes us drafting in the top 5 let alone number 1 impossible though honestly.

We are comparing a team that has picked in the lottery for like 12 of the last 14 years to the Mavs who have been competitive with the exception of Dirks final years for an incredibly long time. Those things matter because the Steve Nash trade to LA led to the drafting of Mikal Bridges. They are a good looking team and grats to them but the only area the Mavs are total failures imo is free agency. Even if people want to complain about Bey vs Green that's one pick and one that was significantly later than the Suns have picked since Booker's arrival.

100% this.

Suns have missed the playoffs for 11 consecutive years. In that time, Mavs made the playoffs seven times. That's a lot of lottery picks that the Mavs simply didn't have, because we were actually kinda good.

Then you end up trading three FRPs for Luka/KP and it's pretty clear how different our situations are-- so different that it's not even a fair comparison.

I mean, you can say we shouldn't have traded away the picks, but Young and Reddish for Luka seems to be a darn good trade. KP is disappointing, but everyone we traded was trash, the two picks are likely to be late/mid FRPs, and THJ has actually been a nice starter for us even if his defense is more Finley than Kawhi.

[BPo001]

Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

I find the Suns part disingenuous at best...

The Suns didn't trade firsts to get Ayton like the Mavs did with Luka. The Suns didn't trade firsts to get booker like the Mavs did with KP. Comparing their moves after the arrival of KP can't be more night and day different from an asset perspective.

The Suns took 5 years to become competitive after drafting Booker. They surrounded him with so much "help" during that time that they drafted in the lottery every year after Booker was drafted. During that time they drafted in the top 5 in 3 different years(Bender-bust, Jackson-bust, Ayton- hard to bust a #1 pick but they could have had Luka), the 6th pick once(Traded down for Cam), and the 10th pick once(Jalen). The Mavs meanwhile after moving up for Luka immediately that season moved heaven and earth to get him a co-star. And have had 1 1st round pick since Luka's arrival(Green). Can anyone imagine how much this place would meltdown if we took 5 years being patient and drafting and busting like the Suns did after Booker? We made it to the playoffs the year after Luka got here and we meltdown in every GDT. Luka's skill alone makes us drafting in the top 5 let alone number 1 impossible though honestly.

We are comparing a team that has picked in the lottery for like 12 of the last 14 years to the Mavs who have been competitive with the exception of Dirks final years for an incredibly long time. Those things matter because the Steve Nash trade to LA led to the drafting of Mikal Bridges. They are a good looking team and grats to them but the only area the Mavs are total failures imo is free agency. Even if people want to complain about Bey vs Green that's one pick and one that was significantly later than the Suns have picked since Booker's arrival.

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