GDT: Game 49 - Mavs (28-21) at Rockets (13-27) 7:00pm

[D_D_D]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

You are so right. Mavs are terrible! Doncic is washed up and a loser and will leave anyway. All our supporting cast sucks. Might as well trade them all for scraps.

LOL EricaLubarsky you're such a fucking pathetic hypocrite. You post this shit against other (rightfully) upset mavs fans and like he said, you totally just spoke for him. Just like you did to me. And I have seen you bitch about losses and the Mavs and players SOOOOOOO many times over the years. God damn you are so pathetic. I'll stand up for this dude here. And me and anyone. You act like a child. Grow up and just be an adult mavericks fan (if you are one) and agree to disagree with people's opinions. Like I KEEP SAYING... WE ARE ALL MAVERICKS FANS HERE!!! WE ALL WANT THE SAME THING!!! so stfu. *Extends hand to rejoin us all as a great mavs fan!*

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by D_D_D

LOL EricaLubarsky you're such a fucking pathetic hypocrite. You post this shit against other (rightfully) upset mavs fans and like he said, you totally just spoke for him. Just like you did to me. And I have seen you bitch about losses and the Mavs and players SOOOOOOO many times over the years. God damn you are so pathetic. I'll stand up for this dude here. And me and anyone. You act like a child. Grow up and just be an adult mavericks fan (if you are one) and agree to disagree with people's opinions.

Thanks, man. I appreciate the supportive words. I love you too!

Go Mavs!

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

You are so right. Mavs are terrible! Doncic is washed up and a loser and will leave anyway. All our supporting cast sucks. Might as well trade them all for scraps.

Lol what a ridiculous response.

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Lol what a ridiculous response.

Yeah I never said any of that stuff

I just voiced my frustration with the team losing to the worst team in the NBA

Not sure why she decided to change up my words.

[FreshJive]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

Sad part is dude just had an 0/10 game not too long ago

Tonight he went 0/9

He's terrible yet some fans will try to hype him up to justify that trade.

I understand when he gets torched by Paul and Lillard but he got torched often by Wall tonight as well.

That trade does not need to be justified. It was an obvious move at the time. Hindsight is meaningless here.

[D_D_D]

There are so many arguments that could be made right now. But for devil's advocate sake I'll just say "a better coach would have had us more prepared for this game, and not suffer from a mental letdown against a clearly lesser opponent"

[FreshJive]

Originally Posted by D_D_D

There are so many arguments that could be made right now. But for devil's advocate sake I'll just say "a better coach would have had us more prepared for this game, and not suffer from a mental letdown against a clearly lesser opponent"

They are professional basketball players, not a high school team. They shouldn’t need to be motivated.

[Jack.Kerr]

Originally Posted by FreshJive

They are professional basketball players, not a high school team. They shouldn’t need to be motivated.

Preparation is not the same thing as 'motivation'.



But they weren't prepared OR motivated.

[FreshJive]

Originally Posted by Jack.Kerr

Preparation is not the same thing as 'motivation'.



But they weren't prepared OR motivated.

He said “mental letdown against a lesser opponent” aka motivation. What specifically weren’t they prepared for?

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by D_D_D

There are so many arguments that could be made right now. But for devil's advocate sake I'll just say "a better coach would have had us more prepared for this game, and not suffer from a mental letdown against a clearly lesser opponent"

I'm not a big Rick fan when it comes to lineups at times

In fact all my arguments against Rick has always been with small ball.

But sometimes he just needs to recognize when a guy is hurting the team and that guy tonight was J.Rich IMO

Dude should not be playing 30 minutes a night when he's shooting 0/9 or 0/10 and can't stay in front of the opposing teams PG on defense.

Several times he got caught sleeping on back door court.

Yes he plays with intensity much like Patrick Beverly but he's also the same player as Pat Beverly on offense.

That to me is not a 30 minute per game player.

I hated the Redick trade but now I'm he needs to replace Richardson or cut into his minutes because dude shouldn't be having scoreless games as a starting SG.

[Dallas41]

Mavs post game announcer

"Houston had no business being in this game"

No excuses

Mavs continue to give up offensive rebounds at the worst time of games
.

One guy repeatedly outworks 3 Mavs inside the paint for a rebound

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

Mavs post game announcer

"Houston had no business being in this game"

No excuses

Mavs continue to give up offensive rebounds at the worst time of games
.

One guy repeatedly outworks 3 Mavs inside the paint for a rebound

Again you are absolutely right. The Mavs suck. Just salt the earth and start over. Trade Luka to a winning team.

[Jack.Kerr]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Again you are absolutely right. The Mavs suck. Just salt the earth and start over. Trade Luka to a winning team.

What do you think Luka would bring in a trade? ... Asking for a friend.

[tap2390]

I really hope Kleber and Redick come back soon. We need their shooting. So many of our issues are due to poor perimeter shots. Richardson bricks a three, Rockets get a long rebound and fast break opportunity, and all of a sudden we have a five point swing.

[Melonhead]

I don’t know the solution here, and I don’t think firing Rick would help unless Luka had someone else in mind. But it feels like we are in the hole every year. Players aren’t good enough and it’s a mix of reasons why. Luka covers up a lot of this teams flaws but I seriously hope they take a hard look in the off-season on getting bonafide starters.

[Dallas41]

Anyone else noticed that the Mavs are very much like the Cowboys.

You get excited about their potential and they set you up with a big flop.

The Cowboys have been a tease for years now all hype no substance...

Can you look like world beaters one week and choke artist the next.

This game tonight was typical Mavs fashion just too much inconsistency with this team.

[Budapest Maverick]

Carlisle can only do so much when Luka plays like flaming dog crap. It's a rare occasion, but when it happens, we are not going to win a whole lot of those games.

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by Budapest Maverick

Carlisle can only do so much when Luka plays like flaming dog crap. It's a rare occasion, but when it happens, we are not going to win a whole lot of those games.

Its not on Luka to carry the entire team every single night. Elites still have off nights, and itd be nice if the rest of the roster could pick it up against the worst team in the league.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Its not on Luka to carry the entire team every single night. Elites still have off nights, and itd be nice if the rest of the roster could pick it up against the worst team in the league.

Yea, I mean thats why the "seeding" thread gets comical at times. We do not have a roster that is capable of contending. Once we passed the deadline with no tangible upgrades, our success depends on 1.) 3 point shooting . 2.) Role players playing well above their normal ability.

[tap2390]

I understand the argument that as a whole we're playing a lot better; good teams lose to bad teams all the time and we shouldn't panic because of one bad loss.

My POV is that we need every win we can get, and we can't afford to give away wins to the worst teams in the league.

Our second issue is the inconsistent shooting of our guys around Luka, especially Josh Richardson. I mention this above, but I hope that the addition of Kleber and Redick alleviates some of the pressure on Luka to score because his teammates can't hit open shots. Redick and Kleber should both get minutes at the expense of J-Rich.

Our third issue, and arguably our biggest, is Porzingis. He doesn't mesh with Luka. It's time to accept that. His game doesn't mesh. His personality doesn't mesh. And he's not available enough to rectify those issue through sheer repetition.

If I were Carlisle, I would start by inserting THJ into the starting lineup and removing Richardson. Some will look at our recent record and argue that we shouldn't fix what isn't broken, I get that argument but also think we clearly see that this team, much like Harden's Rockets, is hot garbage when it's not hitting 3s.

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by tap2390

I understand the argument that as a whole we're playing a lot better; good teams lose to bad teams all the time and we shouldn't panic because of one bad loss.

My POV is that we need every win we can get, and we can't afford to give away wins to the worst teams in the league.

Our second issue is the inconsistent shooting of our guys around Luka, especially Josh Richardson. I mention this above, but I hope that the addition of Kleber and Redick alleviates some of the pressure on Luka to score because his teammates can't hit open shots. Redick and Kleber should both get minutes at the expense of J-Rich.

Our third issue, and arguably our biggest, is Porzingis. He doesn't mesh with Luka. It's time to accept that. His game doesn't mesh. His personality doesn't mesh. And he's not available enough to rectify those issue through sheer repetition.

If I were Carlisle, I would start by inserting THJ into the starting lineup and removing Richardson. Some will look at our recent record and argue that we shouldn't fix what isn't broken, I get that argument but also think we clearly see that this team, much like Harden's Rockets, is hot garbage when it's not hitting 3s.

I would leave Richardson in the starting lineup but reduce his minutes.

He should be around 25 MPG as a wing defender in the D.Stevenson mode. Wish he could actually knock down shots like Stevenson but that's for another day.

IN the offseason I would look at the Kings roster since Orlando has already gutted their roster with players who I thought would fit in Dallas.

Guy's like Bagley, Heild or Holmes in some kind of package deal might be the best the Mavs can get because I highly doubt a big name FA is coming to Dallas.

Preferably Holmes and & Heild

[Julius]

I see it this way. Its better to win vs the best team in the nba in a convincing fasion and loose vs a bad Team, than vis a versa. Its never good to loose vs a bad Team but the win vs utah gives me more hope, than a loss vs houston drags me down.

[SMC0007]

https://twitter.com/CallieCaplan/sta...705729537?s=19

[Bryan_Wilson]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

https://twitter.com/CallieCaplan/sta...705729537?s=19

I personally see this as more of an indictment on Luka or Brunson or Jrich or THJ... the guards need to be a lot more aware of KP's existence, especially closing out halves. It always seems like he's just there to screen for them to go 1 on 1. He gets ignored way too often it seems.

Worth a note is KP was -19 last night, the worst Mav on the floor. He plays a lot with Brunson or THJ and they were +3 and -7 so him being -19 is pretty astounding. Id have to re-watch to see who he was on the floor with though last night and I'm just not willing to subject myself to that kind of punishment.

Edit-
It's also a problem that he played 36mins and had 0 fouls. That usually happens when someone isn't defending much.

[tap2390]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

https://twitter.com/CallieCaplan/sta...705729537?s=19

This guy shot 19 times. If he wants the ball stop camping out on the perimeter. Work on your pick and roll game. Post up more. Stop jacking up early garbage threes that cause your teammates to freeze you out.

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by tap2390

This guy shot 19 times. If he wants the ball stop camping out on the perimeter. Work on your pick and roll game. Post up more. Stop jacking up early garbage threes that cause your teammates to freeze you out.

He can't just create a play for himself

From what I read and heard their sets are designed for him to be outside in those situations

Now should he go to coach in a respective way and say hey I'm not getting the ball?

Do you think the coach shares some responsibility to call set plays more in those situations?

[SMC0007]

It happens with our offensive system when you aren't hitting 3's like we did Monday vs Jazz for example.

It hasn't changed and will not change, Live by the 3, Die by the 3.

[FreshJive]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

It happens with our offensive system when you aren't hitting 3's like we did Monday vs Jazz for example.

It hasn't changed and will not change, Live by the 3, Die by the 3.

That’s the nba.

“It’s no secret that the proliferation of the three-point shot—which generally creates much longer rebound opportunities—has altered the game more than anything. At .696, the statistical correlation between three-point percentage and winning percentage in the NBA (with 0 showing no correlation, and 1 indicating direct correlation) has never been higher than it is now, according to data from Stats Perform.”

The top 5 teams in 3 point percentage are the Clippers, Bucks, Nets, Jazz, and Nuggets.

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by FreshJive

That’s the nba.

“It’s no secret that the proliferation of the three-point shot—which generally creates much longer rebound opportunities—has altered the game more than anything. At .696, the statistical correlation between three-point percentage and winning percentage in the NBA (with 0 showing no correlation, and 1 indicating direct correlation) has never been higher than it is now, according to data from Stats Perform.”

The top 5 teams in 3 point percentage are the Clippers, Bucks, Nets, Jazz, and Nuggets.

The big difference with those teams though is that they all have 2-3 guys that can go get their own shot if needed and they don't have to be hitting 3's in order to win.

Leonard brings great balance to the Clippers offense deadly mid range

Utah might be the exception but Mitchell, Conley and Clarkson can also mix up their game by attacking the rim or scoring from mid range.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by FreshJive

That’s the nba.

“It’s no secret that the proliferation of the three-point shot—which generally creates much longer rebound opportunities—has altered the game more than anything. At .696, the statistical correlation between three-point percentage and winning percentage in the NBA (with 0 showing no correlation, and 1 indicating direct correlation) has never been higher than it is now, according to data from Stats Perform.”

The top 5 teams in 3 point percentage are the Clippers, Bucks, Nets, Jazz, and Nuggets.

Fact. It's not the Mavs. It's the league. The teams who don't take many are bad and the teams that make them at a low rate tend to be bottom of the barrel (Cavs, Rockets, Heat, Wiz, Wolves, Thunder, Magic)

The three is the new NBA and it means that any team that gets hot can demolish any team in the league. It also means that a team that has a cold night will see much larger negative swings.

[tap2390]

If the NBA is completely live by the three, die by the three then we should never have traded away Seth Curry.

Statistics be damned, I disagree with the notion that you need to hit threes to win. You need to take good shots. Luka and JRich were a combined 1 of 15 from three. Luka gets a pass because he felt the need to take difficult shots when his teammates were struggling to get going. The others need to attack the basket instead of settling for garbage shots that result in long rebounds and often a fast break opportunity for the other team.

You don’t have to settle for what the defense is giving you. When is the last time Richardson took it strong to the basket and tried to finish at the rim instead of fading off his pivot? Why does KP camp on the perimeter instead of hunting for mismatches/ switches in the paint? Why doesn’t KP start free throw line extended more often the way Dirk used to?

I don’t know the answers to these questions. It could be that Carlisle is pigeonholing our guys based on how he reads the floor. Moving forward we need an elite roll guy to pair with Luka. I thought KP would thrive in a pick and pop/ pick and roll game with Luka but for whatever reason that has failed.

[turin]

Originally Posted by tap2390

If the NBA is completely live by the three, die by the three then we should never have traded away Seth Curry.

Statistics be damned, I disagree with the notion that you need to hit threes to win. You need to take good shots. Luka and JRich were a combined 1 of 15 from three. Luka gets a pass because he felt the need to take difficult shots when his teammates were struggling to get going. The others need to attack the basket instead of settling for garbage shots that result in long rebounds and often a fast break opportunity for the other team.

You don’t have to settle for what the defense is giving you. When is the last time Richardson took it strong to the basket and tried to finish at the rim instead of fading off his pivot? Why does KP camp on the perimeter instead of hunting for mismatches/ switches in the paint? Why doesn’t KP start free throw line extended more often the way Dirk used to?

I don’t know the answers to these questions. It could be that Carlisle is pigeonholing our guys based on how he reads the floor. Moving forward we need an elite roll guy to pair with Luka. I thought KP would thrive in a pick and pop/ pick and roll game with Luka but for whatever reason that has failed.

The 3 ball is very important. That cannot be denied, but a team has to shoot it well enough, consistently enough, with a large enough number of 3's made for it to be a game changer. If not, you get what the Mavericks have had for years - a streaky team that can have 2 great shooting games in a series and blow out a top team in one or maybe 2 games in a series but in the end will go home losers. A team has to be able to win FOUR games. This is way too often overlooked as obvious as it should be to everyone.

I remember the Mavs blowing the Lakers out on their court in LA one playoff game when Dirk and Nash were together. Jackson pulled his guys late in the game in concession and let the Mavs roll on to the finish. He correctly surmised that though the Mavs were going to win that one game big, they weren't going to shoot like that for an entire series, and the Mavericks, predictably, lost the series. It used to be widely recognized that jump shooting teams would lose in the playoffs. That has only recently changed due to the success of Golden State, but it took one of the greatest shooters of all time to make it work, and Curry didn't have a bunch of average NBA guys around him either.

While the 3 ball is very important, taking the right type of 3's and making them is even more important imo. Chucking 3's in volume does not suddenly turn losers into winners, and the Mavs are not good enough to overcome poor shot selection while jacking up 3's. I think this is a big problem for Mavs, and let's be honest, the Mavs' BBIQ is pretty low imo.

The Mavs need to be looking at other ways to mitigate their streaky 3-pt shooting. Hustle, solid defense, bigs in a zone to improve rebounding, KP in the post as a facilitator, smarter shot selection, et. al. are different ways of making up for the lack of 3's dropping. These adjustments are all in-game coaching changes. RC needs to be able to read the game and make adjustments. It may not be pretty, and it may not be the same thing consistently that gets it done, but he's got to do a better job of going off script other than going smaller if the Mavs want to figure out how to get to the 4 wins it takes to win a playoff series. Yes, it's not easy, and the Mavs basketball IQ isn't going to help. Still, RC is the COACH. He should be looking for advantages wherever he can find them instead of worrying so much about always matching up with what the other team puts on the floor.

Quit playing other teams in their comfort zone. Throw some stuff out there that throws your opponent off at times. What's the worst thing that can happen? The Mavs lose? News flash: They are going to lose anyway if they keep doing the same ineffective things over and over.

[Dallas41]

also anyone notice that back in the day the Mavs used to close games with Terry/Dirk two man game?

It really makes you wonder why in the 2 years haven't we seen a Luka/KP two man game in similar fashion. They simply don't run that type of stuff for some odd reason which seems a like it would fit hand in glove like the Terry/Dirk action