Mavs Free Agency 11/12

[Budapest Maverick]

Originally Posted by sefant77

2012 isnt the time for this.

Paul gonna end up with the Knicks. Thats allready more than just rumors. Anthony gave an interview weeks ago mentioning regarding Paul "If the numbers working out (in the new CBA)" - pretty much telling that they allready decided to create another superteam.

That leaves Williams and Dwight. Deron said he wanna stay with Nets. And again: They will play in an incredible arena in Brooklyn, they will have cap for a max player AND trade value with Lopez. I pretty much expect Deron to stay and Dwight signing there as FA (or ending up in LA in a Bynum trade after announcing that he wont resign in Orlando).

2014 should be our FA year. Dirk gone, Marion gone and Haywood either traded or amnestied...

Agree with every word, i believe that's the way to go. If Dirk would be 28, i would say clear some cap space immediately, but we need to milk this thing now. We can be even better then last year with a little luck.

[dude1394]

I kinda hope Paul does force himself to ny. Then once the dirkster retires, I can retire my fandom.

[spreedom]

Honestly, I don't think a CP3/Melo/Amare teaming up automatically makes the Knicks the second best team in the East going forward. I have serious doubts about Paul staying healthy for the long-term, and Melo and Amare are so terrible defensively they're hardly threats to me outside of the regular season.

[sefant77]

Originally Posted by spreedom

Honestly, I don't think a CP3/Melo/Amare teaming up automatically makes the Knicks the second best team in the East going forward. I have serious doubts about Paul staying healthy for the long-term, and Melo and Amare are so terrible defensively they're hardly threats to me outside of the regular season.

The EC has the potential to become really funny. All the wanna be franchise player quitter (Anthony, Amare, Paul, Bosh, James etc) ending up in "Superteams" in the same conference

Heat
Knicks
Bulls (at least no "super(friends) teams)

And then maybe the Nets with Deron, Dwight and maybe Iggy (in a Lopez trade)

[spreedom]

Originally Posted by sefant77

The EC has the potential to become really funny. All the wanna be franchise player quitter (Anthony, Amare, Paul, Bosh, James etc) ending up in "Superteams" in the same conference

Heat
Knicks
Bulls (at least no "super(friends) teams)

And then maybe the Nets with Deron, Dwight and maybe Iggy (in a Lopez trade)

I'd actually be surprised if a Deron/Dwight/Iggy combo wasn't better than the Miami big three.

[dalmations202]

Personally I hope Dallas lets Caron walk.

First things first -- sign Tyson Chandler.

Then look to sign one of Battier, Yi, or AK47 in that order. (all hybrid SF/PF types)

Then try to get Barrea back.(or find his replacement)

Then look to Stevenson, Peja, Cardinal etc on smaller contracts. (True role players)

[mavs777]

Nene came out with 6 teams he is interested in, now while he may not be the best fit right now, it gives the Mavs a clear backup to Dirk, lets Marion play a ton of SF minutes, and makes a lot of sense if Caron/TC does walk. The thing is though Nene while not young (29) can help this team when Dirk does retire. The Mavs can focus on the present but they can't ignore the future.

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/11/...ee-agents-2011

Nene wants to leave the Denver Nuggets and has six suitors in serious play, reports Ken Berger of CBS Sports. Those six teams -- the Golden State Warriors, New Jersey Nets, Houston Rockets, Indiana Pacers, Dallas Mavericks and Miami Heat -- are at varying levels of ability to actually sign him outright, however, which may require the Nuggets to be involved.

Berger reports that the Warriors are interested in improving the team's frontcourt, and would use the amnesty clause on disappointing and expensive Latvian center Andris Biedrins to fit Nene on the cap sheet. The Nets could find room by waiving Travis Outlaw, and the Pacers have as much cap space as anyone in the NBA.

If you wondering how the Heat can manage to add Nene via sign-and-trade or by signing him outright without the Brazilian taking a massive paycut, you are not alone. Houston and Dallas have young prospects, at least.

[kenny_817]

Originally Posted by mavs777

Nene came out with 6 teams he is interested in, now while he may not be the best fit right now, it gives the Mavs a clear backup to Dirk, lets Marion play a ton of SF minutes, and makes a lot of sense if Caron/TC does walk. The thing is though Nene while not young (29) can help this team when Dirk does retire. The Mavs can focus on the present but they can't ignore the future.

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/11/...ee-agents-2011

There is no way in hell that Nene goes anywhere to be a backup...no chance

[mavs777]

Originally Posted by kenny_817

There is no way in hell that Nene goes anywhere to be a backup...no chance

When did I say he would be a backup? He would be the starting center and at the time can backup Dirk if TC leaves.

[dude1394]

I'm not interested in speculating about Tyson walking. If cubes lets him go I will be very, very disgusted. It would tie his stupidest gm move.

[41mvp]

Nene<Tyson Chandler

[Kidd Karma]

Yea, if we're talking Nene versus Tyson, it's not even close. Cuban better pay Tyson what he wants because he was a very big part of our ship. It's similar to the type of intensity KG brought to Boston. Nene maybe talented, by Tyson brings so many intangibles to the table, it ain't funny. I'd let Caron go to keep Chandler around. Now as for other team's FA, AK47 is probably the one that intrigues me the most. The guy was at his best when there wasn't a lane clogger like Boozer, with Dirk, AK47 will have plenty of space to work with.

[mavs777]

Originally Posted by Kidd Karma

Yea, if we're talking Nene versus Tyson, it's not even close. Cuban better pay Tyson what he wants because he was a very big part of our ship. It's similar to the type of intensity KG brought to Boston. Nene maybe talented, by Tyson brings so many intangibles to the table, it ain't funny. I'd let Caron go to keep Chandler around. Now as for other team's FA, AK47 is probably the one that intrigues me the most. The guy was at his best when there wasn't a lane clogger like Boozer, with Dirk, AK47 will have plenty of space to work with.

I don't think anyone thinks Nene is at the level of TC, but if TC is looking for the top dollar available I don't think that will be in Dallas, someone will be willing to overpay and give him near a max deal

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by Kidd Karma

Yea, if we're talking Nene versus Tyson, it's not even close. Cuban better pay Tyson what he wants because he was a very big part of our ship. It's similar to the type of intensity KG brought to Boston. Nene maybe talented, by Tyson brings so many intangibles to the table, it ain't funny. I'd let Caron go to keep Chandler around. Now as for other team's FA, AK47 is probably the one that intrigues me the most. The guy was at his best when there wasn't a lane clogger like Boozer, with Dirk, AK47 will have plenty of space to work with.

I agree completely about Ty versus nene. Nene is better offensively for sure but we dont need more offense, we need a better defense. I don't think nene has the attitude or the defensive communication that Tyson brings.

[Kante]

Yep, Butler was great before he went down!

[grndmstr_c]

Nene is better than Tyson, and Caron is not a 43% three-point shooter.

[Kante]

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

Nene is better than Tyson.

Maybe he is a better player but what Tyson brings to this team, there is no better player for the Mavs!

[OneLove22]

Originally Posted by Kante

Maybe he is a better player but what Tyson brings to this team, there is no better player for the Mavs!

Exactly. Tyson is our dude. We don't need Nene.

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

Nene is better than Tyson, and Caron is not a 43% three-point shooter.

Do you think Nene is better enough to offset him not being the type of defensive player you normally need next to Dirk?

[grndmstr_c]

Originally Posted by jthig32

Do you think Nene is better enough to offset him not being the type of defensive player you normally need next to Dirk?

I do, though I would expect the overall improvement to be modest, which is another way of saying: 1) probably not enough to justify the Nene's (I would assume) bigger payday, and 2) not enough to risk making Tyson feel like he's not a priority for the Mavs.

[CATCH-17]

Nene is not better than Tyson Chandler I'm sorry.

Plus Chandler is just a hard working throwback player.

Nene is better on offense but overall give me Chandler.

[grndmstr_c]

Originally Posted by CATCH-17

Nene is not better than Tyson Chandler I'm sorry.

Plus Chandler is just a hard working throwback player.

Nene is better on offense but overall give me Chandler.

We'll see what NBA GMs think in about a week and a half. I'll be surprised if Nene doesn't end up being the most sought after of the free agent bigs.

[BGMaverick9]

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[sefant77]

Tyson has bigger balls than Nene.













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[dude1394]

Originally Posted by sefant77

Tyson has bigger balls than Nene.













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I'm not sure about bigger but doesn't he have more of them?

[CadBane]

I think this is a case of over-valuing your own player because you see them more.

Nene put up 15/8/2/1/1 on 62/72 shooting last year. That's damn good. Really damn good. I think Nene is a better *player* than Tyson. However, like Thig said, he isn't the same kind of player as Tyson. Nene is a much worse rebounder, and while their block numbers are similar, he doesn't really protect the rim like Tyson. Nene does have super quick hands and he gets a lot of steals for a big. His man D is also pretty good from what I've seen. His offense is Top 5 at the Center position, IMO.

For our team, Tyson is probably the better fit. But I wouldn't be crestfallen if we ended up with Nene.

[LonghornDub]

Originally Posted by CadBane

I think this is a case of over-valuing your own player because you see them more.

Nene put up 15/8/2/1/1 on 62/72 shooting last year. That's damn good. Really damn good. I think Nene is a better *player* than Tyson. However, like Thig said, he isn't the same kind of player as Tyson. Nene is a much worse rebounder, and while their block numbers are similar, he doesn't really protect the rim like Tyson. Nene does have super quick hands and he gets a lot of steals for a big. His man D is also pretty good from what I've seen. His offense is Top 5 at the Center position, IMO.

For our team, Tyson is probably the better fit. But I wouldn't be crestfallen if we ended up with Nene.

Excellent post. Balanced, thoughtful analysis. Must spread rep.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

And if Nene is that sought after, then Tyson is the safer choice. I'll go with the guy who won us a championship.

[grndmstr_c]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

And if Nene is that sought after, then Tyson is the safer choice. I'll go with the guy who won us a championship.

Tyson's the safe choice regardless. He knows the Mavs, he likes the Mavs, he's clearly an excellent fit with Dirk, the gap between the consensus top free agent centers on the market and Tyson is (I think most would agree) smaller than the gap between Tyson and anybody that the Mavs might conceivably find to replace his minutes this season if he left, and Dallas has a built-in advantage when it comes to signing him because they've got Bird Rights.

[grndmstr_c]

Per Stein:

Teams are NOT allowed to enter into oral or written agreements with players before free agency starts but can speak to agents starting WEDS

[b_o_r]

This current team window of opportunity is this year. I believe Tyson is looking for (a team is willing to give) a near max contract. Giving Tyson that kind of contract is a great risk since he never lived up to the worth of his prior 2 contracts.


I wish the Mavs were mentioned in some these wild rumors like the CP3 for Rondo piece.

[rmacomic]

Originally Posted by b_o_r

This current team window of opportunity is this year. I believe Tyson is looking for (a team is willing to give) a near max contract. Giving Tyson that kind of contract is a great risk since he never lived up to the worth of his prior 2 contracts.

As much as it saddens me I have to agree with you on this. I think if Tyson was all that intrested in staying a Mav he would have resigned with us before the lockout, when he knew what kind of contract he could get. He has been rather elusive about his desire to remain in Dallas. I think if he is going to demand a long term/max contract, then you have to consider other possibilities. Hell, the guy could take any offer he wants regardless of the money.i.e Miami, Chicago, or some other longer window team. If you are putting your hopes of repeating on resigning one guy, then you might as well give up already. I have faith that Cuban is not going to let one contract determine the season.

[spreedom]

Originally Posted by rmacomic

As much as it saddens me I have to agree with you on this. I think if Tyson was all that intrested in staying a Mav he would have resigned with us before the lockout, when he knew what kind of contract he could get.

He couldn't.

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by spreedom

He couldn't.

He could have, actually, but the reports were that the Mavs were pretty reluctant to offer him anything until they knew what the new CBA was.

[blessednegr0]

Ok. I rarely post here guys. But here we go... First things first I am very excited for the season to be back on. I can hardly wait for our boys to defend the ship.

Am I the only one who thinks we will be fine next year? We have time to rest for our older guys... And I really think they will gel more come next year. These are my FA priorities:

Chandler
Butler (Yes we need butler)
Cardinal
Peja (deep on the bench. only needed for quick score.)

I would let Stevenson, and Barea walk. Barea is vastly overrated. He had a couple of great playoffs series. But he is not all that great. I fully think a HEALTHY roddy can do what Barea did. And if he fails we have options like TJ Ford, or some other vets to bring in. Also lets not forget that JET can play PG.

[blessednegr0]

I get wet dreams of a lineup next year of Kidd/Fernandez/Butler/Dirk/Chandler. I mean come on? We finally have a 2 guard who can actually do something. Fernandez has been significantly held back in Portland. In our system I really think he will be lights out. He will have so many open lanes and open threes it will be nuts. When was the last time we had a 2 guard with size?

Not to mention, we have a bench of:
Roddy/JET/Brewer/Marion(Brandon Wright if cheap?)/Haywood.

I think we are going to be much harder to stop next year. Butler really takes this team to the next level. Lets not forget how inspired the team was at the effort that Butler put in to get back to play in the playoffs. Butlers energy and competitiveness are just as important as Tyson Chandler. My surprise/hopeful signings are: AK47 (amnesty Marion?), TJ Ford, Brandon Wright, Carl Landry, and if we can get AARON BROOKS to replace Barea then Good Game. I really think we have a damn good shot next year.

[OneLove22]

I don't think we should sign Peja he is too much of a liability on defense and we have other shooters. Also, I wouldn't be upset if we lose Barea but he would be nice to re sign.

[OneLove22]

Originally Posted by blessednegr0

I get wet dreams of a lineup next year of Kidd/Fernandez/Butler/Dirk/Chandler. I mean come on? We finally have a 2 guard who can actually do something. Fernandez has been significantly held back in Portland. In our system I really think he will be lights out. He will have so many open lanes and open threes it will be nuts. When was the last time we had a 2 guard with size?

Not to mention, we have a bench of:
Roddy/JET/Brewer/Marion(Brandon Wright if cheap?)/Haywood.

I think we are going to be much harder to stop next year. Butler really takes this team to the next level. Lets not forget how inspired the team was at the effort that Butler put in to get back to play in the playoffs. Butlers energy and competitiveness are just as important as Tyson Chandler. My surprise/hopeful signings are: AK47 (amnesty Marion?), TJ Ford, Brandon Wright, Carl Landry, and if we can get AARON BROOKS to replace Barea then Good Game. I really think we have a damn good shot next year.

Couldn't agree more with this post. Rudy can actually penetrate the lane from the 2 and we have never had that. He just adds another dimension to our team system. We must resign Chandler and Butler for chemistry issues I believe. Getting a player like Nene makes zero sense for that reason. Butler will for sure be added motivation for everybody to keep that level of play. But I'm not too worried about these guys getting complacent we have a good group.

[Wang Zhi Zhi]

Originally Posted by OneLove22

Couldn't agree more with this post. Rudy can actually penetrate the lane from the 2 and we have never had that. He just adds another dimension to our team system. We must resign Chandler and Butler for chemistry issues I believe. Getting a player like Nene makes zero sense for that reason. Butler will for sure be added motivation for everybody to keep that level of play. But I'm not too worried about these guys getting complacent we have a good group.

100% agree with this as well. With Rudy at the 2, a healthy Butler back, and Roddy taking over JJ’s role, I think this team is better than what we had in the playoffs last year. I completely agree that finally having 2 guard with size, athleticism, and ball skills (only took us about 10 years to find one) could be huge, assuming Rudy is at all motivated this year (It’s a very odd situation with a player already having his next deal with a different team signed up).

My only difference is that I really want DSteve back. Even though Rudy will get most of the minutes at 2, DS will be important against the likes of OKC, LA, and Miami. I have absolutely zero faith in Brewer’s ability to guard guys like Durant, Harden, Kobe, Wade, Lebron, etc. And DS proved he can sit for long periods but then still come in and play heavy minutes when the matchups dictate it.

[Kidd Karma]

Originally Posted by blessednegr0

I get wet dreams of a lineup next year of Kidd/Fernandez/Butler/Dirk/Chandler. I mean come on? We finally have a 2 guard who can actually do something. Fernandez has been significantly held back in Portland. In our system I really think he will be lights out. He will have so many open lanes and open threes it will be nuts. When was the last time we had a 2 guard with size?

Not to mention, we have a bench of:
Roddy/JET/Brewer/Marion(Brandon Wright if cheap?)/Haywood.

I think we are going to be much harder to stop next year. Butler really takes this team to the next level. Lets not forget how inspired the team was at the effort that Butler put in to get back to play in the playoffs. Butlers energy and competitiveness are just as important as Tyson Chandler. My surprise/hopeful signings are: AK47 (amnesty Marion?), TJ Ford, Brandon Wright, Carl Landry, and if we can get AARON BROOKS to replace Barea then Good Game. I really think we have a damn good shot next year.

Aaron Brooks can't officially get out of his China contract. But I'm sure if he wanted it badly enough, something can be done. He can comeback some time in March when their season is completed. Do you pocket the MLE for a shot in the arm like KMart, Wilson Chandler, JR Smith or Brooks?