Vladimir Putin on Democrats' Morality - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

Evilmav2 · 06-11-2004, 01:16 AM

Putin Takes Bush's Side Against Democrats on Iraq

Thu Jun 10, 8:41 PM ET

SEA ISLAND, Ga (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin (news - web sites) stepped into the U.S. political campaign on Thursday, saying the Democrats had "no moral right" to criticize President Bush (news - web sites) over Iraq (news - web sites).

The Kremlin leader, answering a reporter's question in Sea Island, Georgia, suggested that the Democrats were two-faced in criticizing Bush on Iraq since it had been the Clinton administration that authorized the 1999 bombing of Yugoslavia by U.S. and NATO (news - web sites) forces.

The reporter had asked Putin to respond to U.S. press articles questioning Russia's place at the G8 feast of leading industrial countries.

Putin brushed these off, saying such articles were part of an internal U.S. political debate.

He went on: "I am deeply convinced that President Bush's political adversaries have no moral right to attack him over Iraq because they did exactly the same.

"It suffices to recall Yugoslavia. Now look at them. They don't like what President Bush is doing in Iraq."

Russia was adamantly opposed to the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia, as it has been to the U.S.-led military operation Iraq to topple Saddam Hussein (news - web sites).

At the same time, Putin forged a strong friendship with Bush by offering immediate support in the global fight against terrorism. Both men go out of their way now to avoid criticizing each other publicly.

reeds · 06-11-2004, 09:19 AM

Russian President- nuff said

madape · 06-11-2004, 09:45 AM

Both Yugoslavia and Iraq were just wars. Although the Democrats surely tend to dole their moral acceptance of military policy purely based on the political affiliation of those in power, they are still far more ethically superior than the corrupt, self-serving country that Putin leads. Only his country would sit back and universally deride TWO wars that removed genocidal, power-hungry regimes.

It's one thing to be lectured by Democrats on the morality of foreign policy. It's something else entirely to be lectured by Vladimir fucking Putin.

dude1394 · 06-11-2004, 11:09 AM

Pretty typical response reeds. Instead of taking his thoughts and analyzing them and possibly refuting them for some reason or another, you bash the guy who says it as irrelevant and probably corrupt, unsophisticated, etc.

At first I wasn't going to post on this. But madape is right on. Having your morality so rightly questioned by the leader of the former godless soviet union is telling. The liberal democratic party has completely aligned itself with the leftists on the continent. But they will change the subject and dance and jig around it, but nothing will change for them. They have been wrong for so long that they just turn a deaf ear to truth.

Mavdog · 06-11-2004, 11:29 AM

This remark from Putin should be viewed in the context of whom it is coming from. It not only is a back handed slap at the US (both Bush and the demos), it is also a situation where the Bush campaign should be distancing themselves from any association with an anti-democratic former spook who uses his office to enrich himself and his cronies. Not only is blood on his hands from Chechnya, he is trying to foster rebellion in Georgia (an ally of ours).

Putin does not exhibit any positive traits that are shared by either the republican or democrat parties, thank goodness. He's a sleaseball.

Murphy3 · 06-11-2004, 05:47 PM

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Originally posted by: Mavdog
This remark from Putin should be viewed in the context of whom it is coming from. It not only is a back handed slap at the US (both Bush and the demos), it is also a situation where the Bush campaign should be distancing themselves from any association with an anti-democratic former spook who uses his office to enrich himself and his cronies. Not only is blood on his hands from Chechnya, he is trying to foster rebellion in Georgia (an ally of ours).

Putin does not exhibit any positive traits that are shared by either the republican or democrat parties, thank goodness. He's a sleaseball.

Those remarks from Mavdog should be viewed in the context of whom it is coming from.

mavsman · 06-11-2004, 09:03 PM

Ok, I did. Now what?

FullBurst41 · 06-12-2004, 12:37 PM

Jesus, first Berlusconi, now Putin? Shall we call Robert Mugabe next?

Murphy3 · 06-12-2004, 12:41 PM

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Originally posted by: mavsman
Ok, I did. Now what?

That's up to you.

dude1394 · 06-12-2004, 02:21 PM

Well it is unfortunate that it takes someone other than "western" democracies to understand what we are facing.

Evilmav2 · 06-12-2004, 03:27 PM

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Originally posted by: FullBurst41
Jesus, first Berlusconi, now Putin? Shall we call Robert Mugabe next?

I don't know if Mugabe's good friend Chirac would like that very much, FB...

FullBurst41 · 06-12-2004, 05:20 PM

*cough* This is really starting to worry me. What are you getting at , Dude, that I do not live in a democracy? Or that I do not live in a "western democracy" by your standards? Or perhaps that the country i live in is "just a Western democracy," as if Russia has something to be proud of in that sense that I don't? Hell, who said the French like Zimbabwe, or that they even care. Could you back that up with some facts? And if you don't like the Zimbabwe example, there's enough examples to go around. I'm sure Azerbeidjan's head of state wouldn't mind giving you a bit of a lift.

Evilmav2 · 06-12-2004, 06:14 PM

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Originally posted by: FullBurst41
Hell, who said the French like Zimbabwe, or that they even care. Could you back that up with some facts?

Hey FB, I never said France or Belgium were not democratic states, and I don't have anything against Frenchman, Dutch, Germans, Belgians, or any other Europeans...

That said, it is stretching things a bit to claim that France probably doesn't care about Zimbabwe or Mugabe. France, the Netherlands, and Germany are all significant trading partners with the former colony of Central Rhodesia, and they all stand to profit by the lifting of EU sanctions against the former "Breadbasket" of Africa. To that end, Chirac engaged in the shameful theatrics of rolling out the red carpet to host both Mugabe and his henchman for high level visits in Paris this year (including the hated and notorious Zimbabwean Police General, Augustine Chihuri).

These visits were conducted after France enraged many of her fellow European governments by lobbying against the implementation of EU sanctions last year, and after France applied for a special exemption from the EU travel restrictions mandated by the sanctions.

In short, Chirac has made a mockery of EU santions that were implemented expressly to punish Mugabe for his criminal and murderous seizures of Zimbabwean farms, his savage incursion into the Congo, and by his decades long, near-genocidal persecution of the Ndebele tribesmen. Not only did he do this, but he perpetrated his meddling while flying in the face of the express desires of regional power of the Cape, South Africa, and of the former colonial ruler of Rhodesia, Great Britain. And if anything, this seems to point out to me that France and Chirac DO care about Robert Mugabe and his derelict Zimbabwean police state, and that they don't have much shame in their choice of political bedfellows...

Speaking from the European Parliament in Brussels, East Midlands Euro-MP Roger Helmer said: "The EU restrictions are so full of holes that they are hardly worth the paper they are written on. Robert Mugabe´s henchmen continue to enjoy the freedom to travel which makes a laughing stock of international action.

"It is disgraceful that Mugabe's Commissioner is able to visit France – this makes a mockery of international law and of the EU's travel ban. The international community must find a more effective way of controlling the actions of Mugabe and his courtiers.

"There should be a strict application of the ban as seven million are facing severe food shortages and starvation under Mugabe's misgovernment and corrupt 'land reforms'".

[The Late] Swedish Foreign Minister Anna Lindh told reporters: "I think it gives a very strange signal if the EU is having sanctions against Zimbabwe and at the same time is inviting Mugabe, even if it is one country inviting him to a special conference."

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FullBurst41 · 06-13-2004, 03:44 AM

Thanks for posting these, EvilMav. I had heard about all the rumblings in the commonwealth, but not this. Well it would seem our good friend Chirac is thinking, that what South Africa can do, he can do also. Seriously thouhg, I don't understand why he does it. It can't be for economic reasons: whatever money he pumps into that country, Mugabe can't give him anything in return (that I'm aware of).

Chirac has to go, and he's not the only one.