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Old 12-23-2022, 10:33 PM   #1
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I wasn't really sold on Lavine, but I don't know who else fits that mold as the bonafied number 2 that would be available.

You see that missing our 4 best defenders, and we still can't score the ball. When Bertans looks amazing in a game it's because of a scoring issue.
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We really need to clean house.
THJ
DFS
BULLOCK
MAXI
DP

Those fellas can peace out in a cpl deals. I don't see one single move out there that makes us contenders. We need guys who who can bring more than one trick. I'd rather rely on Wright, Hardy and Doresy deep bench and have a stronger top 6 rotation.

R. Holmes
M. Turner
D. Favors
Kuzma
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Old 01-06-2023, 09:40 AM   #4
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How about a THJ for Bojan swap? The salaries are close.
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How about a THJ for Bojan swap? The salaries are close.
Why would Detroit be interested?
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To me, the Pacers have always been a fit and a way to get another team to buy into the crop of players people most want gone here. At the same time, have to manage expectations when claiming our players our bad, but we can willy nilly trade them for better players. Either a young asset (Green/Hardy) are included or picks, but need to insert them into whatever proposal to make it worth our time to discuss.

I think Turner and McConnell are obtainable. It would look something like the below:

IND gives up Turner, McConnell, and Theis

DAL gives up THJ, Powell, Green, and two 2nd rounders (sub 1st if need be)

Dallas solidifies the rotation and significantly improves the starting lineup and 3rd ball handler/facilitator role. Bonus backup center to bolster rebounding and depth, but more to make salaries work.

Luka/Dinwiddie/DFS/Wood/Turner

Pacers do it to obtain draft capital and an expiring in Powell but have to take on THJ which might be palatable with Carlisle on his side. There are other scenarios involving Hield, too.
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I think Turner could net more than a couple of second rounders if they made it known he?s available.
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I think Turner could net more than a couple of second rounders if they made it known he?s available.
Agreed, think it would take a 1st. Could we somehow make the deal without Green included? Dunno, have to give up something to get what ya want.
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Why would Indy blow it up, they are young and have a core. If it was last offseason, maybe had a chance.
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Why would Indy blow it up, they are young and have a core. If it was last offseason, maybe had a chance.
They may very well not want to, but Turner has voiced his displeasures multiple times before despite recent rumors they were engaging on an extension. They invested in Jalen Smith not too long ago, as well (Nesmith same draft, acquired via BOS). Could be an opportunity for them to reset and put different pieces around Haliburton and Mathurin utilizing draft picks or other assets.
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We really need to clean house.
THJ
DFS
BULLOCK
MAXI
DP

Those fellas can peace out in a cpl deals. I don't see one single move out there that makes us contenders. We need guys who who can bring more than one trick. I'd rather rely on Wright, Hardy and Doresy deep bench and have a stronger top 6 rotation.

R. Holmes
M. Turner
D. Favors
Kuzma
Lavine

Beal - we can't come close to getting.
That change out would make us far more versatile. Full Stop!
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Lavine and Holmes or Bogdan and Noel

Either big can play net to Wood and lavine or Bogdan brings an extra offensive weapon to help Luka
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No idea who this person is, but Miami has been rumored to be interested in THJ for some time.

Problem is, I have very little interest in most of who would actually be available. Strus or Martin are decent. No thanks to Lowry. And f no to anything that involves Robinson.

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Well there's definitely smoke to the trade THJ fire. We all have to like that but only if it's for a smart swap.

I don't mind something like the LeVert trade idea. It's painfully obvious that Cavs team needs some shooting, however streaky it might be. LeVert being an expiring is attractive, but I think he could actually help this team more than THJ this year. Could we convince them for a swap of McGee/Lopez?

Not seeing a fit with Miami, tbh. Lowry looks toast and is 36(!) with another almost $30MM due next season. Robinson has fallen off a cliff and that contract is gonna hurt them as they'd have to tie a solid pick to him. Martin/Strus are nice but tough to match up dollars. No thanks to Oladipo, just can't stay on the floor.

The Pacers winning is not helping! They've been playing great ball but maybe some good ole fashioned tampering to force Turner out would be nice lol (jk, sorta...) -- I'd love to add Turner and McConnell to this squad. Re-up Wood and Turner, Cuban will have to finally take a money hit, but all good when he realizes what they can do.
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Well there's definitely smoke to the trade THJ fire. We all have to like that but only if it's for a smart swap.

I don't mind something like the LeVert trade idea. It's painfully obvious that Cavs team needs some shooting, however streaky it might be. LeVert being an expiring is attractive, but I think he could actually help this team more than THJ this year. Could we convince them for a swap of McGee/Lopez?

Not seeing a fit with Miami, tbh. Lowry looks toast and is 36(!) with another almost $30MM due next season. Robinson has fallen off a cliff and that contract is gonna hurt them as they'd have to tie a solid pick to him. Martin/Strus are nice but tough to match up dollars. No thanks to Oladipo, just can't stay on the floor.

The Pacers winning is not helping! They've been playing great ball but maybe some good ole fashioned tampering to force Turner out would be nice lol (jk, sorta...) -- I'd love to add Turner and McConnell to this squad. Re-up Wood and Turner, Cuban will have to finally take a money hit, but all good when he realizes what they can do.
Not really seeing a fit with Miami either.

I'd love to know what our FO wish list is. I'd love to know if they even have a game plan.
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Well the big question is who fits with Luka? Is he willing to give up some of his ball handling and usage rate for the good of the team? Because we need to learn to win without him.

And I don't know if that is a resounding yes from the FO perspective. When Nico was questioned about needing another ball handler after signing Walker, he was basically like Luka has a high usage rate so blah blah blah.

Someone like Lowry does help as a vet who can help with handling duties, but he doesn't change anything with regards to our long term prospects as a team. Like if Luka goes down, then Lowry isn't going to change anything in that regard.

We need a Lavine type of move to actually achieve that. Otherwise, these moves are just for appeasing the "do something" crowd instead of really improving the team.
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What about Reggie Jackson/THJ swap?

He can run the offense, and score. Has regressed from his big year last couple of years, but he didnt even play last night.

Edit: He is 32 though...eh probably not, hes an expiring contract at 11m.
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All I know is please do not get washed up Lowry in Dallas.
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All I know is we need change. I would sell Bull and DFS before THJ though (barring Luka wanting DFS to remain since that's his best friend on the team).

THJ is at least ballsy enough to take shots and can somewhat put the ball on the floor. Bull and DFS play scared.
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All I know is we need change. I would sell Bull and DFS before THJ though (barring Luka wanting DFS to remain since that's his best friend on the team).

THJ is at least ballsy enough to take shots and can somewhat put the ball on the floor. Bull and DFS play scared.
Thats how I feel about THJ too, we have so few that can light it up im hesitant to let him go...unfortunately I think we have to part with Spencer to get any kind of return. But that puts us back to needing another ball handler.
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All I know is we need change. I would sell Bull and DFS before THJ though (barring Luka wanting DFS to remain since that's his best friend on the team).

THJ is at least ballsy enough to take shots and can somewhat put the ball on the floor. Bull and DFS play scared.
I hate to say it, but I kinda agree. It's annoying to hear people complain about our lack of cap space, but then be OK when the FO gives long term deals to DFS and Maxi. Sorry, but those guys just don't move the bar.

And it has nothing to do with whether these guys are worth what they are being paid or not. We shouldn't be giving out long term contracts to anyone that isn't a second star or really, really f'in good that takes the load off of Luka.

Perplexing, really.
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Well the big question is who fits with Luka? Is he willing to give up some of his ball handling and usage rate for the good of the team? Because we need to learn to win without him.

And I don't know if that is a resounding yes from the FO perspective. When Nico was questioned about needing another ball handler after signing Walker, he was basically like Luka has a high usage rate so blah blah blah.

Someone like Lowry does help as a vet who can help with handling duties, but he doesn't change anything with regards to our long term prospects as a team. Like if Luka goes down, then Lowry isn't going to change anything in that regard.

We need a Lavine type of move to actually achieve that. Otherwise, these moves are just for appeasing the "do something" crowd instead of really improving the team.
Caruso, Desmond Bane, Bojan, Lavine, Maurkanenn et al. Lot's of players would fit. I reject the assertion that he is a special case that just can't play with anyone. In Euroleague he proved very versatile. Also he fit just fine with Brunson on the team. It could be that the Mavs best chance of winning with the current cast of characters is Luka having the ball almost exclusively.

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I hate to say it, but I kinda agree. It's annoying to hear people complain about our lack of cap space, but then be OK when the FO gives long term deals to DFS and Maxi. Sorry, but those guys just don't move the bar.

And it has nothing to do with whether these guys are worth what they are being paid or not. We shouldn't be giving out long term contracts to anyone that isn't a second star or really, really f'in good that takes the load off of Luka.

Perplexing, really.
Almost every team with a supermax player is going to be cap constrained. It's how willing is Cuban to stay in the luxury tax space which seemingly is not at all.
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I hate to say it, but I kinda agree. It's annoying to hear people complain about our lack of cap space, but then be OK when the FO gives long term deals to DFS and Maxi. Sorry, but those guys just don't move the bar.

And it has nothing to do with whether these guys are worth what they are being paid or not. We shouldn't be giving out long term contracts to anyone that isn't a second star or really, really f'in good that takes the load off of Luka.

Perplexing, really.
I mean, those aren't cap buckling contracts and they are definitely worth it IMO. Argument to be had on DFS as he's regressed, but if he can return, both players are types you'd like to have in a rotation, albeit at reduced roles. It's tough because I get that sentiment, it's just that we have a collection of meh contracts. I definitely hear you on the length and tying it up for that long. Doesn't help that they all kind of fell on top of each other in terms of timing.

I did just notice that Bullock's contract next year is only just above half guaranteed. That could be an attractive add-in to a trade to make dollars work. He certainly isn't going to drive return on his own.

In any event, it's clear that a shakeup is needed and apparently the odds of it happening are increasing each day. I just hope like someone said they don't make a move just to make one and have a plan to either upgrade the team now or its situation moving forward (i.e. trading these longer deals for expiring).
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I hate to say it, but I kinda agree. It's annoying to hear people complain about our lack of cap space, but then be OK when the FO gives long term deals to DFS and Maxi. Sorry, but those guys just don't move the bar.

And it has nothing to do with whether these guys are worth what they are being paid or not. We shouldn't be giving out long term contracts to anyone that isn't a second star or really, really f'in good that takes the load off of Luka.

Perplexing, really.
Those contracts become bad when there's 3 years left and they start suxking and their ceiling is already low to begin with. Sure 10 mill here, 10mil there is not too bad...but then a cpl other 11 or 12 mill guys and they all do the same thing, or they're all very one dimensional.

Whatever they do, we need a lot more balance.
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Things I know for certain:

-Luka likes playing with Wood
-We absolutely can?t hesitate to move Green and/or Hardy if it brings back a stud
-Bull, DFS, and Maxi are good defenders, but are too one dimensional on offense to be receive more than 20 mpg in the playoffs (compare to Milwaukee?s, Boston?s, and Memphis? role players)

Teams that in full blown tank mode:

-Charlotte, Detroit, Houston, San Antonio

Realistically attainable players we should be looking at:

-Terry Rozier
-Bojan Bogdanovic
-Alec Burks
-Eric Gordon
-Doug McDermott

My favorite realistic deals:

-DFS, Powell, pick(s) for Rozier (Powell comes off the books after this year, DFS fits with Ball)

-Powell, pick(s) for Burks

-Powell, Bull, Green for Bojan & Burks
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-Luka likes playing with Wood
-We absolutely can?t hesitate to move Green and/or Hardy if it brings back a stud
-Bull, DFS, and Maxi are good defenders, but are too one dimensional on offense to be receive more than 20 mpg in the playoffs (compare to Milwaukee?s, Boston?s, and Memphis? role players)

Teams that in full blown tank mode:

-Charlotte, Detroit, Houston, San Antonio

Realistically attainable players we should be looking at:

-Terry Rozier
-Bojan Bogdanovic
-Alec Burks
-Eric Gordon
-Doug McDermott

My favorite realistic deals:

-DFS, Powell, pick(s) for Rozier (Powell comes off the books after this year, DFS fits with Ball)

-Powell, pick(s) for Burks

-Powell, Bull, Green for Bojan & Burks

Bogs and Rozier are the only ones we need in that group.

I wouldn't want any of the other old one dimensional players.
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Lavine is high risk, high reward. If you have KP 2.0 due to injuries and/or fit you?ve basically signed the Mavs death warrant. That being said I?m not fully against it.
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Zach Lavine, Dragic, and fillers

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Dang tap2390 - I like most of the trade but only adding one of our young guys and keep DFS. But as they say "no balls no babies"...
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Lavine Dragic would be like water in a desert.

Id trade everything but Wood/Green to get that done.

I dont think the Mavs have enough imo
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Yahoo Sports' Jake Fischer reported Thursday, citing sources, that Sacramento has made center Richaun Holmes available for trade. A pair of second-rounders and matching salary would be sufficient for the Kings, sources told Hoops Wire.

Holmes is in his fourth season with the Kings but after a breakout campaign during the 2020-21 season, where he averaged career-highs of 14.2 points and 8.3 rebounds, his role in coach Mike Brown?s rotation has been drastically reduced two seasons later.
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1) a third playmaker
2) someone who can crack the top 30 in rebounding at their position (AKA being a starting-level rebounder
3) Some length/muscle. This team has some talent, but no one is long and no one is a bruiser.
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I held my breath when THJ hobbled off. Thank goodness it was only an ankle sprain as he was holding his knee at first. Reggie with a nice showcase last night.
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Yahoo Sports' Jake Fischer reported Thursday, citing sources, that Sacramento has made center Richaun Holmes available for trade. A pair of second-rounders and matching salary would be sufficient for the Kings, sources told Hoops Wire.

Holmes is in his fourth season with the Kings but after a breakout campaign during the 2020-21 season, where he averaged career-highs of 14.2 points and 8.3 rebounds, his role in coach Mike Brown?s rotation has been drastically reduced two seasons later.
Bullock and seconds fit the bill

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I believe the Mavs assets and greatly underrated....

Green & Hardy are two young guys on cheap contracts that most teams would want.

DFS is a known 3&D commodity on a decent contract who slots into any team.

Powell is a large expiring contract that can be used to make salaries match.

The future picks that the Mavs can convey are actually valuable to a team who wants to roll the dice on Luka leaving.


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