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I believe the Mavs assets and greatly underrated....

Green & Hardy are two young guys on cheap contracts that most teams would want.

DFS is a known 3&D commodity on a decent contract who slots into any team.

Powell is a large expiring contract that can be used to make salaries match.

The future picks that the Mavs can convey are actually valuable to a team who wants to roll the dice on Luka leaving.


GET IT DONE NICO.
It all depends what they want. I'm sure you could get a Terry Rozier from Charlotte, but at what price? That's probably a first and Hardy at least.

Everyone wants first round picks, so if the Mavs are willing to part with those, then yes, things get done. I know it's easier after the Knicks take our pick to trade those.

I'd be very hesitant to give up Hardy unless it was a home run type of deal. That kid learns and learns quickly. This is an example of his improved defense. (first play). https://twitter.com/bobbykaralla/sta...88152864047105

So with each passing game, Hardy becomes harder to trade. Remember that his contract is pure gold for his talent.

I'm open to anything though as long as the return makes sense.
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I think the issue here is that we need to trade some of our wings with such poor performance from our bigs. Wood is a great PF, but when he's injured, he's the only guy at the PF/C position that can both get PT and rebound.

We also have a glaring weakness at backup PG. Luka is literally sitting out entire games because he has to play so much in the games he does play.

I love the depth at SF of THJ, Green, Bullock, and DFS (who has to go from PF to SF now that we have Wood as PF). THJ can play some SG and DFS can backup PF, but that's still a lot of depth when we have essentially 0 usable centers and 0 backup PGs
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I think the issue here is that we need to trade some of our wings with such poor performance from our bigs. Wood is a great PF, but when he's injured, he's the only guy at the PF/C position that can both get PT and rebound.

We also have a glaring weakness at backup PG. Luka is literally sitting out entire games because he has to play so much in the games he does play.

I love the depth at SF of THJ, Green, Bullock, and DFS (who has to go from PF to SF now that we have Wood as PF). THJ can play some SG and DFS can backup PF, but that's still a lot of depth when we have essentially 0 usable centers and 0 backup PGs
Our wings are poor performers too....is another problem
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Scoop up Holmes and Caruso.
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Most realistic trades are for Rozier and Bojan.

Powell/ DFS for Rozier.

THJ/ Bull/ 1st for Burks/ Bojan.


Luka - Rozier - Wright
SD - Green - Hardy
Bojan - Burks
Maxi - Bertans
Wood - Javale
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Most realistic trades are for Rozier and Bojan.

Powell/ DFS for Rozier.

THJ/ Bull/ 1st for Burks/ Bojan.


Luka - Rozier - Wright
SD - Green - Hardy
Bojan - Burks
Maxi - Bertans
Wood - Javale
Uh, yes please. If only Powell and DFS would get you Rozier.

I also like Plumlee from Charlotte if they have a fire sale.
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Hate to mention it, but D'Angelo Russell fits well here. Yep, he is a head case, but I could see a Monta Ellis-type of reclamation here. It's a risk, but if you can get him for a decent price...
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Most realistic trades are for Rozier and Bojan.

Powell/ DFS for Rozier.

THJ/ Bull/ 1st for Burks/ Bojan.


Luka - Rozier - Wright
SD - Green - Hardy
Bojan - Burks
Maxi - Bertans
Wood - Javale
I wouldn't get Rozier to bring him off the bench. I'd put SD there. But DFS and Powell aren't getting him anyway.
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Brooklyn desperately needs a big. Maybe they would be interested in McGee? How about a McGee for Patty Mills swap? Small trade but at least it would give Luka some relief and clear (McGee) someone who barely sees the court.
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Brooklyn desperately needs a big. Maybe they would be interested in McGee? How about a McGee for Patty Mills swap? Small trade but at least it would give Luka some relief and clear (McGee) someone who barely sees the court.
I think these are the types of move that are actually likely. Mills isn?t showy but he?s be the perfect Brunson replacement.

Then we get Kleber back and try to make a small move for a center. A rental of Vuc or Poeltl could be possible, but more likely we grab someone like Nerlens or maybe even a FA center to replace
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I've liked Patty for a long time. If that could get it done, then go ahead and solve that 3rd ballhandler easily.

I'm becoming more inclined to move a 1st for Bojan Bogdanovic. He's on fire this year and under contract for two more. Basically, you'd have to move Bertans or THJ for him to match. It appears the Pistons are set to hold out for a 1st rounder. I wonder if THJ would allow us to send two 2nd rounders as Bertans would require a first.

Imagine the team rotation with Bojan instead of Bertans while keeping THJ? The latter is also linked heavily to other teams both this past offseason and so far this season. Could easily be moved or kept to bolster rotation.
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I would honestly be disappointed if THJ were still here. I know he's a good guy and all, but I think it's just time to move on.

Bertans? I actually love the dude and the role he can play here. If you can upgrade the PG or PF/C significantly by trading him, then you do it, but the dude has big Peja from 2011 vibes.

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Eh, I view Patty Mills these days like I view Kemba Walker. Woulda been great a few years ago.

We have to shed one of our bad contracts even if it is McGee though...def agree with that.

And a first for Bojan seems like a no-brainer. Feel like Detroit wants more though.
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Patty doesn't move the needle for us (although I wouldn't mind scooping him anyways). He's 34 and plays 12 mpg, he is not a Brunson replacement. Our Brunson replacement is already on the roster (Dinwiddie).

We need a scoring wing (option 1) or a scoring guard (option 1A). That is the only chance we have at making it past the second round this year. I'm not saying rush into a deal and blow all our good assets at once.... but there are a few you have to use or lose (Powell's expiring).

I agree we're more likely to see smaller moves (Alec Burks, Patty Mills), but I wish the Mavs were more opportunistic about buying low. I think Rozier is a good example of someone you can buy low on who actually moves the needle for us.
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Steinline rumor about Bullock for Cam Reddish. My problem with Reddish is that he can't rebound to save his life, and WE NEED rebounders.

Totally fine trading Bullock though.
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I would rather trade Bullock for Richuan Holmes. Don't know much about Reddish, but his career stats indicate very little upside. Is he a great defender? I guess he shoots FTs at an 80% clip....that's good.
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The only issue I have in trading Powell is depth. As much as some don't like the guy, he's one of our only playable bigs. So, it would necessitate getting another back in a trade.

No thanks on Reddish. Billed as a shooter who can't shoot and I'd bet Bullock's defense is better so there's that, too.
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McGee for Mills
Bullock for Holmes
DFS for Caruso and Drummond
THJ + 1st round pick for Bojan

Luka
Spencer
C Wood
Bojan
Josh
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Holmes
Drummond
Hardy
Mills
Bertans
Powell
Kleber when healthy (maybe never)
Pinson, Wright, Lawson

Go to War.

I would love Lavine or Vucevic but I just don't think the Mavs have the assets to get it done.
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Sources said Doncic, who hasn?t shown a desire to be involved in personnel matters in the past, has strongly indicated he wants the Mavs to upgrade before the Feb. 9 trade deadline. Of course, that?s easier said than done for a team that still owes the Knicks a pick to complete the Porzingis deal. ? via Tim MacMahon @ ESPN
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Steinline rumor about Bullock for Cam Reddish. My problem with Reddish is that he can't rebound to save his life, and WE NEED rebounders.

Totally fine trading Bullock though.
Do we only trade with the Knicks?
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McGee for Mills
Bullock for Holmes
DFS for Caruso and Drummond
THJ + 1st round pick for Bojan

Luka
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Bojan
Josh
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Holmes
Drummond
Hardy
Mills
Bertans
Powell
Kleber when healthy (maybe never)
Pinson, Wright, Lawson

Go to War.

I would love Lavine or Vucevic but I just don't think the Mavs have the assets to get it done.
Sign me up for this all day. A defender next to Luka who can dribble and create offense. It's not Lavine by any stretch but Caruso is a good defender and he can pass well.

Holmes obviously would be an upgrade ans you could put him next to Wood

Mills would solidify the back up PG. He and SD off the bench would be good.
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Rui Hachimura is on the trade block for Washington. I stg he would thrive here
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Rui is fine, but what will that price be?

I feel you either get some meh pieces for a second or two plus a garbage contract or you go balls to the wall and make a big move. Giving up a first for Rui doesn't make a lot of sense, and I'm sure that is his price.
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I feel you either get some meh pieces for a second or two plus a garbage contract or you go balls to the wall and make a big move. Giving up a first for Rui doesn't make a lot of sense, and I'm sure that is his price.
True I doubt wed have anything they?d want and I?d be hesitant to make him the 1st rounder piece
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IMO Reddish and Rui are both too inconsistent. Trading for them would be the FO giving lip service to improvement. In reality neither deserve minutes over Hardy who is younger and shown more flashes of three-level scoring ability.
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Hardy is exactly who comes to mind when saying no to a Reddish trade. Guy has been so overrated since his Duke days.
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Reddish is hot garbage

Literally the kind of barely-NBA guy our roster is filled with

Bullock is not up to last years standards. No idea why? maybe a mental thing or a quarrel with Kidd or Luka, but Bullock for Reddish is a downgrade.

Bullock on catch and shoot threes - 35% (43% in January)
Reddish in CnS threes - 28.9%

Only way you do that is if Bullock is unhappy and demanding a trade. Even then you shop around for a less bad deal

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Spurs want 2 FRPs for Poeltl

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Why does Nerlens have to be involved? He sucks and isn't going to do anything for us. We don't have a backup center problem, we have a starting Center problem and a coach problem. McGee is a fine backup.
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Why does Nerlens have to be involved? He sucks and isn't going to do anything for us. We don't have a backup center problem, we have a starting Center problem and a coach problem. McGee is a fine backup.
Nerlens is significantly better at defense and rebounding than both McGee and Powell. Are you arguing that he's not?
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WE ARE STARTING DWIGHT POWELL. THAT IS ALL.
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Nerlens is significantly better at defense and rebounding than both McGee and Powell. Are you arguing that he's not?
Im just telling you its a moot point because he fn sucks. We don't need an insignificantly better backup to be insignificantly better for 8 mins a game max. If it's a throw in to match salaries to get Bogs, then whatever, but he is more likely to be eating hot dogs on the bench than playing meaningful basketball. It's a starting Center and coaching problem more than back up center problem.
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WE ARE STARTING DWIGHT POWELL. THAT IS ALL.
Exactly my point. It's a starting Center problem and a coaching problem. Surely no one thinks Nerlens would come here and start?
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Exactly my point. It's a starting Center problem and a coaching problem. Surely no one thinks Nerlens would come here and start?
If you're also getting Bojan, then it's a no brainer. You're getting an upgrade, no matter how bad, at center and a HUGE upgrade in the wing.

Fans seems to poo poo how good Bojan has been this season. I give up an unprotected first without hesitation. Remember that we traded for a 35 year old Jason Kidd and won a ring. Age doesn't really bug me when we need to win now.
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If you're also getting Bojan, then it's a no brainer. You're getting an upgrade, no matter how bad, at center and a HUGE upgrade in the wing.

Fans seems to poo poo how good Bojan has been this season. I give up an unprotected first without hesitation. Remember that we traded for a 35 year old Jason Kidd and won a ring. Age doesn't really bug me when we need to win now.
I'm all for Bojan 100%, I've just seen every mention of him tied to Nerlens Noel. Even seen Nerlens mentioned solo as a player to get as if he matters.

I guess I'd give up an unprotected 1st mostly because we have Green and Hardy. The difference between getting 35yr old Kidd is that we had a much better roster back then than we do now.
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Im just telling you its a moot point because he fn sucks. We don't need an insignificantly better backup to be insignificantly better for 8 mins a game max. If it's a throw in to match salaries to get Bogs, then whatever, but he is more likely to be eating hot dogs on the bench than playing meaningful basketball. It's a starting Center and coaching problem more than back up center problem.
No disrespect intended but
A) I?d take any upgrade over Powell playing 35 minutes and getting 1 rebound. People shit on Powell (for good reason) but then don?t want an upgrade that would come cheap?

2) Noel has better rebounding and defensive numbers than Powell (who everyone hates and is one of the reasons we?re 25th in defense and 30th in rebounding) and McGee (who is 35 and getting DNPed)

There is no argument other than bluster to not get Noel at the bargain price he?s going to fetch. Pistons are just terrible and have no guards and are prioritizing Isaiah Stewart. Decent players that can?t get playing time are the exact players we need to target.
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