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Exactly my point. It's a starting Center problem and a coaching problem. Surely no one thinks Nerlens would come here and start?
I think you?re confusing things.

Is Noel a star/starting-caliber player? No.

Is this team so sad, broken, and desperate for rebounding and bigs that he honestly could start and play 25min? Yes. Yes we are. As sad as that is, he?d be our best center by a mile kind of like when we picked up Sam Dalembert and he was the best of a shitty lot.

The alternative is we pay the Spurs 2025/2027 draft picks for Poeltl and the rest of our trades are Bullock for Reddish which isn?t a strong playoff team and also tapped out until the end of th decade.

Good centers are expensive and everyone has a good one except for us

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A) I?d take any upgrade over Powell playing 35 minutes and getting 1 rebound. People shit on Powell (for good reason) but then don?t want an upgrade that would come cheap?

2) Noel has better rebounding and defensive numbers than Powell (who everyone hates and is one of the reasons we?re 25th in defense and 30th in rebounding) and McGee (who is 35 and getting DNPed)

There is no argument other than bluster to not get Noel at the bargain price he?s going to fetch. Pistons are just terrible and have no guards and are prioritizing Isaiah Stewart. Decent players that can?t get playing time are the exact players we need to target.
None taken. Again, the point is if Powell is on the team, Nerlens isn't starting over him or logging more mins. You have to kill him or trade him to change things. Coach is to blame for Powell sucking on the floor, FO is to blame for not having a better option.

Nerlens doesn't move the meter and if you need to see it again here to believe it then so be it, just get the hot dogs ready.
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None taken. Again, the point is if Powell is on the team, Nerlens isn't starting over him or logging more mins. You have to kill him or trade him to change things. Coach is to blame for Powell sucking on the floor, FO is to blame for not having a better option.

Nerlens doesn't move the meter and if you need to see it again here to believe it then so be it, just get the hot dogs ready.
Then we move Powell. Problem solved. I can't imagine the FO not trying to shop Powell at this point unless he really does have nudes of Cuban with a hooker.
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Then we move Powell. Problem solved. I can't imagine the FO not trying to shop Powell at this point unless he really does have nudes of Cuban with a hooker.
Cuban's buddy, said it a million times. Cuban is a piece of crap and doesn't really care about the betterment of the team.
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Powell is both over (keep him for his intangibles like hustling and getting hit in the face) and under (expiring deal) -rated by our FO.

Or...perhaps Cuban is cheap enough to ride this out and let it expire to save against luxury tax.
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This sounds a bit more promising for OG. If the price has come down to a first, then I might prefer him over Bojan because of age and defense.

https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/st...16571667152896

Green, DFS, and a first works.
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Milwaukee is shopping Serge Ibaka. Yes, I'll take him over Powell or McGee.
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Milwaukee is shopping Serge Ibaka. Yes, I'll take him over Powell or McGee.
For a second I would grab him as a rental. He's listed at 33, but probably 37+ so not much more on those tires, but not bad to have as primary until we get the team healthy.

Can't be the only move, but could be a small positive move at the right price.
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For a second I would grab him as a rental. He's listed at 33, but probably 37+ so not much more on those tires, but not bad to have as primary until we get the team healthy.

Can't be the only move, but could be a small positive move at the right price.
37 yrs old in basketball years?
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Likely 44 in actual years, but again, Dwight Powell.
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Likely 44 in actual years, but again, Dwight Powell.
Dwight fucking POW!
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Rebounding and defense, bring in the Serge. But like EL said, has to be one of a few moves to bolster the rotation.
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Yeah, just to clarify, Serge is my Kemba Walker stop gap if Wood is out 4-6 weeks. But he might be useful after that as well because Pow.
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According to ESPN's Adrian Wojanrowski, the Los Angeles Lakers have traded for Washington Wizards forward Rui Hachimura. In return, the Lakers are reportedly sending back Kendrick Nunn and three second-round draft picks.
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Nice buy-low for the Lakers, not sure I care for Rui's fit here.
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Hopefully that's a sign that not every player will cost a first. Getting him for second round picks is a huge win for them.

Nico better do something like that and soon.
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I think you?re confusing things.

Is Noel a star/starting-caliber player? No.

Is this team so sad, broken, and desperate for rebounding and bigs that he honestly could start and play 25min? Yes. Yes we are. As sad as that is, he?d be our best center by a mile kind of like when we picked up Sam Dalembert and he was the best of a shitty lot.

The alternative is we pay the Spurs 2025/2027 draft picks for Poeltl and the rest of our trades are Bullock for Reddish which isn?t a strong playoff team and also tapped out until the end of th decade.

Good centers are expensive and everyone has a good one except for us
Maybe i am confusing some things, but Part of my message is that, could Noel get 25mins or starter role here if a sane FO and coach were at the helm? Possibly. Would he get it as it stands now? No. Dwight Pow wouldn't be unseated by Noel.

Also, I wouldn't be expecting any kind of tangible turnaround if he came and did start because I don't thinks he's making much difference.
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Yeah I was disappointed that we missed the trade considering how little he was worth. We could have probably done like Green and a couple of 2nds and kept the FRPs in 2025/2027

But he's not that great. At 6'8" he's a downright terrible rebounder at the 3/4. His defense is poor. His three-point shooting is merely average (34%) which could be understandable if he was forced to take a bunch of defended threes, but he's shooting 28% when he gets a pass and is wide-open, which is the type of three-point shooting we'd want from him with Luka on the team.

He can do other stuff, but for a forward, we need rebounding, defense, and shooting. He doesn't really do any of that well. We don't need more guys that can't defend, rebound, or even finish when Luka finds them open.

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I will honestly be pissed if we don't make at least one significant move
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Well you know it's bad when we're making murals about it. Can't blame twitter for that.

The west is still wide open. That means sacrificing the future for now.

Bojan changes this team so dramatically in that regard that you have to go hard for it. Luka/Spence/Bojan/Wood is a solid core.

Bojan/Noel. Do it.
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Yeah I was disappointed that we missed the trade considering how little he was worth. We could have probably done like Green and a couple of 2nds and kept the FRPs in 2025/2027

But he's not that great. At 6'8" he's a downright terrible rebounder at the 3/4. His defense is poor. His three-point shooting is merely average (34%) which could be understandable if he was forced to take a bunch of defended threes, but he's shooting 28% when he gets a pass and is wide-open, which is the type of three-point shooting we'd want from him with Luka on the team.

He can do other stuff, but for a forward, we need rebounding, defense, and shooting. He doesn't really do any of that well. We don't need more guys that can't defend, rebound, or even finish when Luka finds them open.
I think he?s better than you give him credit for however the more I think about it, I?m not too upset they didn?t go in for him. He?s RFA in May so if they really want him they can put out an offer sheet.
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Maybe i am confusing some things, but Part of my message is that, could Noel get 25mins or starter role here if a sane FO and coach were at the helm? Possibly. Would he get it as it stands now? No. Dwight Pow wouldn't be unseated by Noel.

Also, I wouldn't be expecting any kind of tangible turnaround if he came and did start because I don't think he's making much difference.
Noel is a better rebounder and defender than Powell.

He's more mobile also.

I wouldn't go by the Noel that was here with Rick. He's does a lot of the defensive things Kleber does when Kleber was healthy.

In fact, I'd say you could play him and Wood together and that would solve some of our rim protection issues with a slight boost to rebounding.

I feel the same way about R.Holmes although he's not as good as Noel defensively out in space.
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Need to get this thread pumping for my own sanity. I'm with EL, going to be hard to continue watching this team without any significant move. I couldn't support the FO at that point. I know it takes two to tango but there are a lot of dance partners...
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I do not care for Cam Reddish, Terry Rozier, or John Collins.

Mavs Would do well to dive in deep talks with the Pacers...Myles Turner, TJ McConnell, Buddy Hield, any combo...

If they could somehow get Turner without having to include Wood, that's a dream scenario. But if you wanted both Turner and Hield, you will have to give.

I tend to lean with other posters prior to the season in that these 1st rounders we should be viewing as late 20s type picks. Of course, that banks on keeping Luka happy and being in the playoffs. Those aren't as valuable to me as to swinging the fence to see if that works.

Would a THJ, Powell, and a 1st convince the Pacers to part with Myles Turner and McConnell? If you want Hield and you don't think an extension with Wood is possible, throw in Wood and Hield, respectively, while potentially removing the 1st rounder. There's competition out there for Turner so I'd imagine the Mavs know the price. Let's see who balks.

Best case scenario would be Cuban willing to go into the luxury and build around Wood AND Turner. That SL would be enticing, to say the least:

Luka, SD, Green, Wood, Turner with McConnell, Bullock, DFS, Bertans and Powell of the bench...
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Seriously getting antsy about the trade deadline. Seems to me there are opportunities out there if the FO will get off the crapper and do something. For example, the Kings are asking for matching salary and two second round picks for Holmes. Send Pow + the picks and get it done for heaven's sake. I wonder if cheap skate Cuban is hoping they can take advantage of buyouts and pay bargain basement prices. I swear if nothing is done it either means the FO is content, delusional, or no one wants players on the Mavs. I don't know which is worse (Edit: Could be all the above).
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Seriously getting antsy about the trade deadline. Seems to me there are opportunities out there if the FO will get off the crapper and do something. For example, the Kings are asking for matching salary and two second round picks for Holmes. Send Pow + the picks and get it done for heaven's sake. I wonder if cheap skate Cuban is hoping they can take advantage of buyouts and pay bargain basement prices. I swear if nothing is done it either means the FO is content, delusional, or no one wants players on the Mavs. I don't know which is worse (Edit: Could be all the above).
C: all of the above.
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Seriously getting antsy about the trade deadline. Seems to me there are opportunities out there if the FO will get off the crapper and do something. For example, the Kings are asking for matching salary and two second round picks for Holmes. Send Pow + the picks and get it done for heaven's sake. I wonder if cheap skate Cuban is hoping they can take advantage of buyouts and pay bargain basement prices. I swear if nothing is done it either means the FO is content, delusional, or no one wants players on the Mavs. I don't know which is worse (Edit: Could be all the above).
Oh no not the buyout basement bargains
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Old 01-25-2023, 10:29 PM   #108
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I bet none of us thought that Luka coming off of a WCF 's trip would turn around and have a worse team than Sacramento and New Orleans

That is how far Cuban has allowed this team to regress
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Rumor we are interested in D'Angelo Russell which I mentioned was a good fit. Half the fanbase would hate that move, but it's as close to replacing Brunson as you're realistically gonna get at the deadline.
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Rumor we are interested in D'Angelo Russell which I mentioned was a good fit. Half the fanbase would hate that move, but it's as close to replacing Brunson as you're realistically gonna get at the deadline.
Who are we giving up? I would hate to lose Hardy for D'Angelo Russell.
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Who are we giving up? I would hate to lose Hardy for D'Angelo Russell.
Isn't Hardy basically a Russell clone? Me first scoring combo guard? Mavs already screwed up playing Hardy this season, so I'd for sure consider it.
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This is straight from Woj...

"I think it's hard for Dallas right now to get the kind of co-star that they would want. A legitimate No. 2 player or maybe it's a No. 3 player next to Christian Wood in the trade market. I think the kind of players that the Mavs are knocking on the door ? look in Detroit, Bojan Bogdanovic, Nerlens Noel -- that's a tandem that could be in a package together.
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Isn't Hardy basically a Russell clone? Me first scoring combo guard? Mavs already screwed up playing Hardy this season, so I'd for sure consider it.
Haven't seen enough of Hardy to determine anything. If you give a guy scraps while he's starving, he going to try and eat it all. He has been a willing passer when getting meani gful mins. Those just don't come around very often.
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Why do you guys want to trade DP? Isn?t it obvious that Luka loves playing him. He not only provides the best screens for Luka but he also is an easy 4 assists on his lob and dunks? When Luka drives, DP will sometimes just hang around down there and Luka uses him as a screen. Does DP shoot from the three? No, but that?s not his game.
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Why do you guys want to trade DP? Isn?t it obvious that Luka loves playing him. He not only provides the best screens for Luka but he also is an easy 4 assists on his lob and dunks? When Luka drives, DP will sometimes just hang around down there and Luka uses him as a screen. Does DP shoot from the three? No, but that?s not his game.
Yes, Dwight Powell not nailing threes is totally our issue with him. Nailed it.
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Why do you guys want to trade DP? Isn?t it obvious that Luka loves playing him. He not only provides the best screens for Luka but he also is an easy 4 assists on his lob and dunks? When Luka drives, DP will sometimes just hang around down there and Luka uses him as a screen. Does DP shoot from the three? No, but that?s not his game.
This feels like sarcasm.

He?s fine as a 10 mpg guy coming off near the end of the bench.
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I'm down for that version of an expiring Russell. D'Angelo would fit nicely here and allow flexibility moving forward if not. He absolutely moves the needle, but we would then need to address defense and rebounding in separate moves.
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I'm 100% not trading Hardy in a deal that only lands D Russell. He's too close to SD in terms of what he brings. I want 1 guy who can play both sides of the floor, if I'm giving up young quality potential. He def moves the needle but not enough.
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He?s fine as a 10 mpg guy coming off near the end of the bench.
Its not. Yes. He will have some bad games but he will also have 22pt games like he had with tge Wizards. I think people are hating too much on DP but when he is gone, people will miss his hustle, his attitude and his alley oop dunks.
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Do you entertain trades for Powell?

Oh hell yes. He's expiring and he's not the best center. If you can use him for a better center or another playmaker, you do it.

Do you trade him just to trade him?

Hell no. He's a decent backup with great chemistry with Luka who brings a good attitude and energy (but little defense/rebounding). Poeltl and Powell would make for a decent center position while Poeltl/McGee would not.
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