GDT: Mavs v Bucks 6 CT (also, Cuban loses his mind)

[rimrocker]

DFS and Mejri seemed to bug the Greek Freak.

[Melonhead]

Wes 3-17. So painful to look at each game

[Bryan_Wilson]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Wes 3-17. So painful to look at each game

He's somehow worse than Kobe was last year in terms of offensive efficiency. I didn't think it was possible.

[Melonhead]

Why cant mejri get more minutes? 13 min, 6 reb....set a beautiful screen for JJ late

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

He's somehow worse than Kobe was last year in terms of offensive efficiency. I didn't think it was possible.

For a starter, he has to be last in FG%. Wouldnt be surprised if it was for the entire NBA.

[Underdog]

Scientific fact from the Bible: 1-5 is better than 0-6.

[AO41]

I known Matthews brings so much on D ...but if I am the Mavs I would have traded him like like yesterday. Didn't the Kings have a lot of interest ??

I'll take Rudy Gay and Ben McLamore or even just Rudy Gay

And I am sure other teams still have interest in him.

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by AO41

I known Matthews brings so much on D ...but if I am the Mavs I would have traded him like like yesterday. Didn't the Kings have a lot of interest ??

I'll take Rudy Gay and Ben McLamore or even just Rudy Gay

And I am sure other teams still have interest in him.

I love Matthews, but the FO has to be thinking about an exit strategy. I'd really hate to do him like that though. Maybe after another season?

[sefant77]

In two years after Dirk retires. You are always finding a team taking Wes on a short two year contract even for 17m

[AO41]

But the way he is going that would be a salary dump in two years. Now you might be able to get something for him that could help us now or in the future.

[sefant77]

Now its not about the future, its about Dirk. They are not trading/dumping Wes

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by sefant77

Now its not about the future, its about Dirk. They are not trading/dumping Wes

Agreed. The earliest I could see him moved is All star break of the next season, but most likely summer of 2018

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Barnes has been worth every penny so far.

I'd rag on Matthews, but at least his awful shooting will get us a good draft pick

I feel better with Barea starting over Deron for obvious reasons.

Nice to see a W.

[Heezzi]

Can*we get a starting lineup of
Bogut, Dirk, Barnes, Anderson, Barea?

[FreshJive]

Originally Posted by AO41

I known Matthews brings so much on D ...but if I am the Mavs I would have traded him like like yesterday. Didn't the Kings have a lot of interest ??

I'll take Rudy Gay and Ben McLamore or even just Rudy Gay

And I am sure other teams still have interest in him.

Next time they are in danger of winning a game, Rick could insert Mclemore and immediately gain several draft spots.

[Melonhead]

Carlisle has seemed to latch onto DFS: "Frankly, we wouldnt have won the game without him"

He got the game ball...

[Melonhead]

Some late drama...

Tim Cato tweeted that the Mavs have revoked media credentials for Tim Mcmahon AND Marc Stein. TM I could see...he's been putting out stuff for other teams so maybe it was coming down the pipe, but Stein? Something is up. Story coming...

[Melonhead]

Mark Cuban pulled Mavs media credentials from ESPN reporters Marc Stein and Tim Macmahon. Both arent allowed in AAC. NBA is aware...WTF

[FreshJive]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Some late drama...

Tim Cato tweeted that the Mavs have revoked media credentials for Tim Mcmahon AND Marc Stein. TM I could see...he's been putting out stuff for other teams so maybe it was coming down the pipe, but Stein? Something is up. Story coming...

Must be all ESPN reporters

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Mark Cuban pulled Mavs media credentials from ESPN reporters Marc Stein and Tim Macmahon. Both arent allowed in AAC. NBA is aware...WTF

TMAC should surprise noone as he often just wants to incite stuff.

Stein is a puzzle though.

[Melonhead]

story is up on mavs moneyball

http://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2016/11...hon-marc-stein

[Melonhead]

So no real answers. Macmahon isnt Dallas only now. He's general NBA writer. No word on Stein. And weird this has been in play since Friday, just now getting out.

[FreshJive]

TMac has done the best reporting over the last couple of years. Monta, Rondo. Now we are left with Dwain Price and Fish?

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by FreshJive

TMac has done the best reporting over the last couple of years. Monta, Rondo. Now we are left with Dwain Price and Fish?

I like him. I know he works to get under people's skin, but he asks the uncomfortable questions at times that need to be asked.

[FreshJive]

Chandler Parsons retweeted it and wrote,"Hahahaha"

[FreshJive]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

I like him. I know he works to get under people's skin, but he asks the uncomfortable questions at times that need to be asked.

Yeah. I never got the hate from fans. I understand why Cuban and Rick disliked him.

[Melonhead]

And of course douchbag Parsons quotes Tim Cato tweet and gives the petty "HAHAHAHA".

Dude is so salty Mavs didnt believe in him. 0-8fg, 4 TO tonight

[Melonhead]

Cuban was unhappy that TMAC role changed at ESPN and he wasnt covering Mavs on full time basis..Since Stein is involved with this, I assume Cuban's beef is with ESPN.

[Melonhead]

Even Cowlishaw getting in on this. "Yes this is true. Yes this is Cuban being a moron. Nothing new in itself, only new level for him. Funny he bashes Trump for this behavior"

Wow, is Cuban low key disliked by this many people?

[FreshJive]

It's pretty obvious that Parsons and TMac have some sort of relationship. He has been tweeting a lot about him ever since he went to Memphis. Parsons was probably a big source of information when he was here.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

I think Cuban is bothered by the fact that TMac won't cover the mavs full time anymore... at least from the sounds of that article.

[FreshJive]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I think Cuban is bothered by the fact that TMac won't cover the mavs full time anymore... at least from the sounds of that article.

Yes. That's what Cowlishaw said anyway.

"ESPN had the audacity to stop treating this like a 50-win team. Not staffing every home game. Which is nothing new actually."

If so. Wow. "Full time or not at all." Talk about taking your ball and going home.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by FreshJive

TMac has done the best reporting over the last couple of years. Monta, Rondo. Now we are left with Dwain Price and Fish?

The Hillary & Trump of Mavs coverage... Awesome.

[FreshJive]

Originally Posted by Underdog

The Hillary & Trump of Mavs coverage... Awesome.

Hahaha. That's lower than I would go. Might as well just say the Satan and Satan of Mavs coverage.

[Melonhead]

Cuban getting raked on twitter and not really anyone coming to his defense. We dont know espn details but it cant be more than just pulling coverage from a team that isnt what they used to be.

[Underdog]

@bobbykaralla: Barnes' shot chart tonight. Balanced, but lots of stuff in the lane. He had a season-high 16 rim attacks, per Mavs analytics.

[spreedom]

Lots to talk about tonight!

• Harrison Barnes - What more can you say about this guy? Yes, we're only six games in, and yes we're 1-5 through this early stretch, but Barnes has been better than advertised. Probably better than anyone reasonable would have guessed to this point. I'm extremely impressed by him and can see what the MBT saw that almost nobody else did. Still a long ways to go to show that he can be a 15ppg scorer every night, and eventually more than that one would hope, but he's been a stud.
• Cubes - Speak of the MBT... Cubes needs to stop. I've been a big supporter even when he's made plans that didn't pan out, and I've defended him any time he's said something stupid even when it clearly hurt our on-court product, but he is coming close to being a negative asset as an owner. Let's remember where we were about six months ago... Trump and Hillary were evolving into heavy favorite for the general election, and Cuban was on TV saying that he'd consider running as VP for either of them! That right there was evidence that he's never really cared about the issues that he today speaks so loudly about. He mentioned a couple of weeks back that he knew of two people who alleged to have been touched inappropriately by Trump. Cuban today uses that as a glowing example as to why Trump can't win, BUT THIS IS THE GUY HE SAID SIX MONTHS AGO HE'D PLAY VP TO. And just now, his disaccreditation of Stein and MacMahon is the most Trump thing he could possibly do. I'm glad I didn't vote for either of those losers or the disingenuous sycophants that encourage them.
• Wes - Wes sucks right now. Overall he is a glaring negative on this roster. I'd argue he is, defensively, a top 5-10 perimeter player in the league right now. He matches up well against bigger guards and even when Wes is getting lit up, his matchup is working hard to get his numbers. Even with that, his ineptitude offensively kills this team on that end of the floor. It's not even that he's missing a lot of catch-and-shoot threes (and he's missing them in ways that make you think he's never touched a basketball before) but he hurts us even moreso because he's a ballstopper and even on nights that everyone in the building knows he doesn't have it, he still forces up so many tough shots. Again, small sample size theater, but if we could cut bait with him tomorrow, getting nothing in return except relief from his salary going forward, I'd do it in an instant. And maybe there's a team out there that needs his "veteran presence" and perimeter defense, and maybe he'll go there and become an average-to-above average shooter again, but I wouldn't count on it in Dallas, and to me it's worth just getting rid of him now. I wonder if a team like Minnesota would see him as a potential asset. I'm having a lot of trouble thinking of anyone else that could really use him at all. Yikes.
• JJ - Barnes has been the best player on the team so far, but JJ is another guy who is exceeding expectations. I expected the same regular old Barea this year, usually playing well enough not to hurt us too badly, occasionally playing extremely well, and having one or maybe two stretches where he carries the team... I feel like we get that just about every year with him. But he's been the best PG on the team without a doubt, and while I think he's best suited to come off the bench once Deron is healthy, I also think Barea is the best guard on this roster right now, and his role should be equal to or bigger than Deron's.
• DFS - I remember when we signed him to the partially-guaranteed contract in summer league and how disappointing his offense was then and how much of a non-factor he was during preseason. I was pretty worried we would cut him in favor of Gibson, but I was very happy to see that we didn't. Yet again, we'll see if he can play well for sustained stretches this season, but I tend to think strong defensive players are almost always going to be useful as long as they have the motor. Looks like a keeper for sure... might even make Simba expendable, with how erratic/bad his play has been so far this year.

I'm never going to be an advocate of tanking, but at this point I'd much rather watch this roster lose games than an older roster with Deron, and Bogut. If we could get halfway decent assets for them (late-1sts or better, or young players with real potential and not just diamond-in-the-rough rolls of the dice) I would trade both of them tomorrow. Keep Dirk healthy this year, sit him when you need to, and try to get like 65 fun games out of him. Then sign the best players we can find under 25 and go for it next season.

TL;DR: BARNES! DFS! TANK!

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by spreedom

I'm never going to be an advocate of tanking, but at this point I'd much rather watch this roster lose games than an older roster with Deron, and Bogut.

Great overall post, but this part stuck out to me the most because that's the exact same boat I'm in... Let's just treat the whole damn season like a preseason and see what we can build on going into the summer.

[spreedom]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Great overall post, but this part stuck out to me the most because that's the exact same boat I'm in... Let's just treat the whole damn season like a preseason and see what we can build on going into the summer.

Having no insider insight into him at all, part of me thinks that Dirk is okay with not making that one last serious run before he retires. Not that he's lost any sense of his competitive spirit, but he's obviously a humble guy (and not professional athlete humility, real humility) and I can tell he considers himself fortunate to have so many great runs and a championship under his belt. In my opinion, and I could be totally off base here, I think Dirk would rather go 31-51 with a roster full of 24-year-olds than going 38-44 with a roster full of 30 plus-year-old guys. I'm under no illusion that this team, even when fully healthy, is anywhere close to a lock for the postseason. I'd much rather see guys like Barnes, Brussino, DFS and Simba playing 25+MPG per night and experiencing some growing pains than seeing the latter three playing less than 15MPG while the Boguts and Matthewseses limp their way through the season, trying in vain to hit .500 and grab the 8th spot. There's no substitute for watching Mavericks playoff basketball, but with how much fun the rest of the league is right now, and the potential we have in the 10th-15th guys on this roster, I'd be okay with missing 4 or 5 playoff games each of the next two years if it ensured that the post-Dirk Mavs have a foundation to build off of.

And not to push my own lousy agenda again, but I'm still on the phone with Philly about some sort of Simba-for-Noel type of deal. If Philly would take Simba, a future 2nd, and the rights to swap 1sts this year for Noel, I'd love that kind of a trade. Maybe if we can squeeze a 1st-rounder or a couple of attractive young guys out of someone for our veteran guys, we could package that into the deal instead so we could keep this year's first.

Anyway, I'm still rooting for a win every night this season, but I'd be okay running the floor with younger legs if it meant we needed to be more creative in looking for moral victories.

[spreedom]

And by the way, if we lost this game fully healthy, I'm in a much different mood this evening. Just thought I'd throw that out there because I'm sure others feel the same way.