White Justice vs. Black Justice

[SeanL]

[dude1394]

What bulcrap.

[SeanL]

Originally Posted by dude1394

What bulcrap.

You must be blissfully unaware of the past several hundred years of American history.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by SeanL

You must be blissfully unaware of the past several hundred years of American history.

And you obviously are blissfully un-aware that the country has bent over backwards to try and help african americans improve their plight. Only to have the same culture drag them right back into the swamp.

[jthig32]

So I don't really know what to do with the above post. I've considered editing it, or taking further action.

For now I just think I'll say this: That post is incredibly offensive, and I'd recommend letting this thread die.

[spreedom]

I'd be okay with a lifetime ban.

[LSMF]

I don't think anything Dude said was offensive and I feel he should be allowed to clarify and defend his argument.

[dude1394]

Ah....if the crab theory espoused by Charles Barkley is offensive then everything is. No worries.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/27/showbi...-black-enough/

[fluid.forty.one]

Nothing good can come from this thread.

[DirkFTW]

[Murphy3]

Originally Posted by jthig32

So I don't really know what to do with the above post. I've considered editing it, or taking further action.

For now I just think I'll say this: That post is incredibly offensive, and I'd recommend letting this thread die.

It is painfully obvious that the Grand Jury made the right call with the Brown shooting. However, I get so freaking tired of people crying racism. Get over yourself. Our country has a much bigger issue with people crying racism when it's not there than it does with actual racism. Idiots cry wolf over and over again... It makes it the more difficult to actually identify racism when it's there. The Ferguson b.s... Personally, I would have been fine with the KKK and the looters just going at it and wiping each other off the face of the planet.

And perhaps sean is right in one small area... Perhaps it is more difficult for a known criminal to receive justice. I had a brother that had a lot of difficulties with the law at times. Oddly enough, he was completely railroaded and sent to jail for something he had no business going to prison for. After several months when he finally made it to trial, the judge dismissed the case. He had been in a lot of trouble throughout his life. A police department basically decided that he hadn't served enough time for some of the trouble he had been in 15-20 years earlier.. Yes, it was very, very difficult for him to receive "justice". He no longer received the benefit of the doubt when it came to the police. He would not have received the benefit of the doubt when it came to a jury. He was white. It happens to people of all colors. You put yourself in a bad situation.. or you have a rap sheet a mile long.. guess what, you're more likely for something bad to happen to you at the hands of the law many times because they actually fear for their own safety.

[Murphy3]

Originally Posted by spreedom

I'd be okay with a lifetime ban.

You've gotta be kidding me. That is... well, if I were to tell you how ridiculous your post was, I'd probably receive a lifetime ban.

[spreedom]

Originally Posted by Murphy3

You've gotta be kidding me. That is... well, if I were to tell you how ridiculous your post was, I'd probably receive a lifetime ban.

Relax dude, it was a joke.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by Murphy3

It is painfully obvious that the Grand Jury made the right call with the Brown shooting. However, I get so freaking tired of people crying racism. Get over yourself. Our country has a much bigger issue with people crying racism when it's not there than it does with actual racism. Idiots cry wolf over and over again... It makes it the more difficult to actually identify racism when it's there. The Ferguson b.s... Personally, I would have been fine with the KKK and the looters just going at it and wiping each other off the face of the planet.

And perhaps sean is right in one small area... Perhaps it is more difficult for a known criminal to receive justice. I had a brother that had a lot of difficulties with the law at times. Oddly enough, he was completely railroaded and sent to jail for something he had no business going to prison for. After several months when he finally made it to trial, the judge dismissed the case. He had been in a lot of trouble throughout his life. A police department basically decided that he hadn't served enough time for some of the trouble he had been in 15-20 years earlier.. Yes, it was very, very difficult for him to receive "justice". He no longer received the benefit of the doubt when it came to the police. He would not have received the benefit of the doubt when it came to a jury. He was white. It happens to people of all colors. You put yourself in a bad situation.. or you have a rap sheet a mile long.. guess what, you're more likely for something bad to happen to you at the hands of the law many times because they actually fear for their own safety.

Oh i think it's definitely tougher to get justice if you are a criminal which is to be expected. If you've ever had someone mess you over you know how hard it is to REALLY trust them ever again.

Once my daughter got caught shoplifting and as part of the punishment she had to go to a counseling session with a criminal justice person. I went as well.

The lady told her something I've never forgotten and i dont think she did either as she seemed to straighten up.

It was "once you actually get into the system everything changes. You no longer get the benefit of the doubt, everyone will think you are always lying and everytime something happens you will be looked into. You will do what you are told by people who will not take no for an answer"

[SeanL]

Originally Posted by dude1394

And you obviously are blissfully un-aware that the country has bent over backwards to try and help african americans improve their plight. Only to have the same culture drag them right back into the swamp.

Already resorting to racism? I won this argument pretty fast.

[SeanL]

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[SeanL]

Originally Posted by dude1394

Ah....if the crab theory espoused by Charles Barkley is offensive then everything is. No worries.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/27/showbi...-black-enough/

Justifying what you said because of Charles Barkley is the worst reason for anything.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by SeanL

Already resorting to racism? I won this argument pretty fast.

Typical dumb-arse trying to win an argument by screaming racism. This whole thread is a racism whine.

[LSMF]

Originally Posted by SeanL

Already resorting to racism? I won this argument pretty fast.

Exactly how was that "resorting to racism"? What he said is the TRUTH, it just isn't politically correct. It's amazing how no one can discuss this issue without being labeled. If you're White and you bring this up - you're a racist. When Black People bring this up they're called "Sellouts" or "Uncle Toms". It's funny because to fix a problem like this you have to actually be able to discuss it. But since no one can say anything about it thanks to the PC Gestapo, nothing will change. No wonder Barkley described it as a "Dirty, Dark secret".

[Underdog]

[dude1394]

Even juan williams gets it.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/...k-lives-go-to/

[SeanL]

Originally Posted by LSMF

Exactly how was that "resorting to racism"? What he said is the TRUTH, it just isn't politically correct. It's amazing how no one can discuss this issue without being labeled. If you're White and you bring this up - you're a racist. When Black People bring this up they're called "Sellouts" or "Uncle Toms". It's funny because to fix a problem like this you have to actually be able to discuss it. But since no one can say anything about it thanks to the PC Gestapo, nothing will change. No wonder Barkley described it as a "Dirty, Dark secret".

I've noticed the people who often complain about political correctness tend to be the biggest racists.

The fact you're promoting an overtly racist post is just evidence of this.

[LSMF]

Originally Posted by SeanL

I've noticed the people who often complain about political correctness tend to be the biggest racists.

The fact you're promoting an overtly racist post is just evidence of this.

There was truth in Dude's post and that's all I care about. You're not even trying to look at the facts, you'd rather cry about racism.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by SeanL

I've noticed the people who often complain about political correctness tend to be the biggest racists.

The fact you're promoting an overtly racist post is just evidence of this.

Well thats convenient. Anyone who doesnt agree with you and parrot the oh woe is me line is racist. Especially that juan williams. Who cares anymore, whine away.

[SeanL]

Originally Posted by LSMF

There was truth in Dude's post and that's all I care about. You're not even trying to look at the facts, you'd rather cry about racism.

There was about as much truth in his post as there was in George Wallace's inaugural address.

[LSMF]

Originally Posted by SeanL

There was about as much truth in his post as there was in George Wallace's inaugural address.

Can you explain exactly what was untrue about said post?

[SeanL]

Originally Posted by LSMF

Can you explain exactly what was untrue about said post?

When he said black people are dragging this country into the swamp.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by SeanL

When he said black people are dragging this country into the swamp.

Never said it. You are just looking for racism everywhere. If you had bothered to read the other items i posted you would have seen that i said that black culture was dragging themselves back into the swamp ( back down ).

But you are too busy sticking your fingers in your ears and agreeing with the race mongers.

Until they change their own culture they will keep sabotaging themselves.

[SeanL]

Originally Posted by dude1394

Never said it. You are just looking for racism everywhere. If you had bothered to read the other items i posted you would have seen that i said that black culture was dragging themselves back into the swamp ( back down ).

But you are too busy sticking your fingers in your ears and agreeing with the race mongers.

Until they change their own culture they will keep sabotaging themselves.

I'm trying to figure out how anyone could not think that is not racist.

[bunkmoreland]

Originally Posted by SeanL

http://www.timwise.org/2014/11/repet...al-in-america/

[mcsluggo]

Originally Posted by Murphy3

It is painfully obvious that the Grand Jury made the right call with the Brown shooting. However, I get so freaking tired of people crying racism. Get over yourself. Our country has a much bigger issue with people crying racism when it's not there than it does with actual racism. Idiots cry wolf over and over again... It makes it the more difficult to actually identify racism when it's there. The Ferguson b.s... Personally, I would have been fine with the KKK and the looters just going at it and wiping each other off the face of the planet.

And perhaps sean is right in one small area... Perhaps it is more difficult for a known criminal to receive justice. I had a brother that had a lot of difficulties with the law at times. Oddly enough, he was completely railroaded and sent to jail for something he had no business going to prison for. After several months when he finally made it to trial, the judge dismissed the case. He had been in a lot of trouble throughout his life. A police department basically decided that he hadn't served enough time for some of the trouble he had been in 15-20 years earlier.. Yes, it was very, very difficult for him to receive "justice". He no longer received the benefit of the doubt when it came to the police. He would not have received the benefit of the doubt when it came to a jury. He was white. It happens to people of all colors. You put yourself in a bad situation.. or you have a rap sheet a mile long.. guess what, you're more likely for something bad to happen to you at the hands of the law many times because they actually fear for their own safety.

I see all of your points here, and they are all valid.

but, i will tweak it a tiny bit and point out that its easier for white people to get/keep the "benefit of the doubt". What that means in practice is all jumbled shades of grey. In the 1950s it was often downright dangerous if you were black. In the 2010s... much less so... but it can still happen sometimes. And even when its not dangerous, I am sure it gets old fast to often be "suspicious looking" just for existing.

(and none of this is pointed at the Fergusen story specifically)

[mcsluggo]

Originally Posted by dude1394

Oh i think it's definitely tougher to get justice if you are a criminal which is to be expected. If you've ever had someone mess you over you know how hard it is to REALLY trust them ever again.

Once my daughter got caught shoplifting and as part of the punishment she had to go to a counseling session with a criminal justice person. I went as well.

The lady told her something I've never forgotten and i dont think she did either as she seemed to straighten up.

It was "once you actually get into the system everything changes. You no longer get the benefit of the doubt, everyone will think you are always lying and everytime something happens you will be looked into. You will do what you are told by people who will not take no for an answer"

I like that story.. and love when that sort of intervention works

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by jthig32

So I don't really know what to do with the above post. I've considered editing it, or taking further action.

For now I just think I'll say this: That post is incredibly offensive, and I'd recommend letting this thread die.

You guys debated some things, but you let this one go unmentioned. My dear lord, the most shocking thing in this whole thread is this post. This cat actually believes that he might have to take down a political cartoon that doesn't look too good for the white folks?

It's "incredibly offensive"? Is that right, jthig32? Incredibly offensive that whites can generally easily walk into a solid structure and receive justice while blacks climb stairs to knock on the door and then find there is nothing behind it? That offends you?

You know what they say: The more things change...

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

You guys debated some things, but you let this one go unmentioned. My dear lord, the most shocking thing in this whole thread is this post. This cat actually believes that he might have to take down a political cartoon that doesn't look too good for the white folks?

It's "incredibly offensive"? Is that right, jthig32? Incredibly offensive that whites can generally easily walk into a solid structure and receive justice while blacks climb stairs to knock on the door and then find there is nothing behind it? That offends you?

You know what they say: The more things change...

He was talking about Dude1394's "back to the swamp" post, not the original post.

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by Underdog

He was talking about Dude1394's "back to the swamp" post, not the original post.

Oh dear.