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Old 06-28-2005, 11:22 AM   #1
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Dallas trades Shawn Bradley and Michael Finley for Allen Houston:

Why Dallas does it: Dallas is already planning to waive Finley and Shawn Bradley is retiring. Since you can only waive one player, why not make it as expensive a player as possible. Even better, Houston has only got two years left on his contract, so he comes off the salary cap as well a year earlier.

Why New York does it: Bradley is retiring on an injury exemption, so New York should get $4 of his $5 million salary picked up by injury, and can hope that he goes off the salary cap in one year on the injured unable to play exemption. Better yet, New York can now cut Penny Hardaway and make almost as much savings on the salary cap as it would cutting Houston. Finley can still play, unlike Houston or Hardaway, so New York ends up with a useful player without a large negative salary cap hit.

It's possible the deal could be sweetened by adding Malik Rose and TAW to the deal. Dallas then gets a useful player and New York saves even more money.
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With Rose added, that's exactly the deal that makes sense to me. I'd also keep an eye out for NY's #30 pick.

I don't know what AJ's relationship with Rose is like, but my gut says that he's an AJ player. Let's get this deal done.
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Old 06-28-2005, 12:01 PM   #3
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I'd go for the trade, but I'm not sure about NY. But hey if they say yes, then do it.

Oh and definitely try and get Rose. He's a great role player to have.
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Old 06-28-2005, 12:13 PM   #4
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NY will never do it. Isaiah is trying to make this team younger and younger. He doesn't care that much about the cap. And they will be taking more money for nothing. It’s useless for them. But hey, we can always dream for our Mavs.
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Old 06-28-2005, 01:27 PM   #5
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Is it possible for us to trade finley for houston, we cut houston and they cut finley and then resign finley to a much better deal?

or is that against the new CBA ..... I am sure we would have to throw in something to sweeten up the deal for NYK, but in theory is it possible?
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As an exercise, I tried to work out the cost and savings to each team for this deal. I used the variation of Finley/Bradley/TAW for Houston/Penny/Rose, because that seems a little more interesting. Ready for some fun?

But first: The disclaimers (I am a lawyer by training). I used last years' salary numbers since I couldn't find all of this years' numbers available (the salaries will be higher this year by about 10-12%) and I assumed the luxury tax was in effect for all the salaries (pretty safe for the first year). I assumed the insurance company cooperated by paying 80% of TAW's buyout and that Bradley's salary was covered 80% by insurance. I assumed Bradley comes off the cap as an injured player after one year, but that TAW did not.

New York: Without Deal With Deal

Year 1 Houston -- 17531250 Finley -- 14609375
Tax -- 0 Tax -- 14609375

Hardaway -- 14625000 Hardaway -- 14625000
Tax -- 14625000 Tax -- 0

Rose -- 5462000 Bradley -- 4000000 - 80% = 800000
Tax -- 5462000 Tax -- 4000000

TAW -- 3200000 - 80% = 640000
Tax -- 3200000

Total: 57705250 52483750

Year 2 Houston -- 17531250 Finley -- 14609375
Tax -- 0 Tax -- 14609375

Hardaway -- 0 Hardaway -- 0
Tax -- 0 Tax -- 0

Rose -- 5462000 Bradley -- 4000000 - 80% = 800000
Tax -- 5462000 Tax -- 0

TAW -- 2200000 - 80% = 440000
Tax -- 2200000

Total: 28455250 32658750

Year 3 Houston -- 0 Finley -- 14609375
Tax -- 0 Tax -- 14609375

Hardaway -- 0 Hardaway -- 0
Tax -- 0 Tax -- 0

Rose -- 5462000 Bradley -- 4000000 - 80% = 800000
Tax -- 5462000 Tax -- 0

TAW -- 0
Tax -- 0

Total: 10924000 30018750

Year 4 Houston -- 0 Finley -- 0
Tax -- 0 Tax -- 0

Hardaway -- 0 Hardaway -- 0
Tax -- 0 Tax -- 0

Rose -- 5462000 Bradley -- 0
Tax -- 5462000 Tax -- 0

TAW -- 0
Tax -- 0

Total: 10924000 0

In summary, from New York's point of view, the monetary impact is +5,221,500 in Year 1; -4203500 in Year 2; -20094750 in Year 3; and +10,924,000 in Year 4 for a net negative effect of -8,172,750 over four years for making the trade rather than just cutting Houston. In other words, you a premium of a little over $2 million per year to have Finley for three years rather than Hardaway for one and Malik Rose for four. In NBA terms, this isn't very much.

Dallas: Without Deal With Deal

Year 1 Finley -- 14609375 Houston -- 17531250
Tax -- 0 Tax -- 0

Bradley -- 4000000 - 80% = 800000 Rose -- 5462000
Tax -- 4000000 Tax -- 5462000

TAW -- 3200000 - 80% = 640000
Tax -- 3200000

Total: 23249375 23555250

Year 2 Finley -- 14609375 Houston -- 17531250
Tax -- 0 Tax -- 0

Bradley -- 4000000 - 80% = 800000 Rose -- 5462000
Tax -- 0 Tax -- 5462000

TAW -- 2200000 - 80% = 440000
Tax -- 2200000

Total: 19049375 23555250

Year 3 Finley -- 14609375 Houston -- 0
Tax -- 0 Tax -- 0

Bradley -- 4000000 - 80% = 800000 Rose -- 5462000
Tax -- 0 Tax -- 5462000

TAW -- 0
Tax -- 0

Total: 15409375 10924000

Year 4 Finley -- 0 Houston -- 0
Tax -- 0 Tax -- 0

Bradley -- 0 Rose -- 5462000
Tax -- 0 Tax -- 5462000

TAW -- 0
Tax -- 0

Total: 0 10924000

Dallas's monetary summary is as follows: In year one the deal costs Dallas 305,875; in year two 4,505 875; in year three Dallas saves 4,485,375 and in year four the deal costs Dallas 10,924,000 for a total negative effect of $11,250,375. That's a little less than $3 million per year in return for the services of Malik Rose.

I still like this deal for both teams, but going through this exercise (which I've greatly simplified) does make it clear to me just how difficult it's going to be to assess the financial impact of various deals.
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Is it possible for us to trade finley for houston, we cut houston and they cut finley and then resign finley to a much better deal?

or is that against the new CBA ..... I am sure we would have to throw in something to sweeten up the deal for NYK, but in theory is it possible?
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