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Scoobay · 06-08-2018, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by tap2390

I would only do this is we would pick Bridges at 5 anyways. If not, go with Bamba, Porter, or Jackson. Surprisingly, Bamba is seeming more like one of the players that has both a high floor and a high ceiling.

so trade #5 for #7 and #22
take on Faried to get #14

7 - Mikal
14 - Robert Williams
22 - Divincenzo

mac222b · 06-08-2018, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I was pretty high on Carter until I saw DXpress's scouting video on his weaknesses. Lateral quickness is nearly non-existent. Can't have that in today's NBA. Guards will blow guy him like he is standing still.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NTh4Kd5WRo&t=237s

This is exactly my criticism of him. Very skilled though

Underdog · 06-08-2018, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Scoobay

so trade #5 for #7 and #22
take on Faried to get #14

7 - Mikal
14 - Robert Williams
22 - Divincenzo

Hell, if we pulled that off we'd still have 33 and 54 as well -- no reason we couldn't bundle some of those to get a second top-10 pick.

Underdog · 06-08-2018, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I was pretty high on Carter until I saw DXpress's scouting video on his weaknesses. Lateral quickness is nearly non-existent. Can't have that in today's NBA. Guards will blow guy him like he is standing still.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NTh4Kd5WRo&t=237s

Carter is a big I'd be interested in trying to develop if we picked somewhere in the 7-12 range, but at #5 I like the upside of Bamba and JJJ a lot better... They're both more compete players when it comes to their all-around game, plus their ceiling appears to be a lot higher.

SMC0007 · 06-08-2018, 02:04 PM

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SMC0007 · 06-08-2018, 02:07 PM

I'm interested in MPJ if he is becoming a Dirk-KD hybrid. We need the Dirk replacement in scoring and taking over games

EricaLubarsky · 06-08-2018, 03:50 PM

13 days

Underdog · 06-08-2018, 04:31 PM

@JakeLFischer: The Dallas Mavericks will workout prized big men Mo Bamba and Wendell Carter on Monday and Wednesday, respectively, per team source.

Underdog · 06-08-2018, 04:36 PM

Also, I'm not sure if this indicates a workout or what, but I could think of worse picks at #33...

Melonhead · 06-08-2018, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Did you not see my link to that video three posts up

My bad! I don’t know how I missed that

Underdog · 06-08-2018, 05:54 PM

Unlike those Boston "rumors", this report at least comes from a source within the Mavs organization... Still comes with an "if" though.

@fishsports: Exclusive: #Mavs attend 'extremely impressive' Michael Porter Jr. workout; he's a 'Top-3' #NBA draftee if healthy' https://247sports.com/nba/mavericks/...lthy-118901657 …

SMC0007 · 06-08-2018, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Unlike those Boston "rumors", this report at least comes from a source within the Mavs organization... Still comes with an "if" though.

@fishsports: Exclusive: #Mavs attend 'extremely impressive' Michael Porter Jr. workout; he's a 'Top-3' #NBA draftee if healthy' https://247sports.com/nba/mavericks/...lthy-118901657 …

I'm captain waffle on who I want to draft. I can't take all this new information . I'm brainstorming too many scenarios and lineups.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-08-2018, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Unlike those Boston "rumors", this report at least comes from a source within the Mavs organization... Still comes with an "if" though.

@fishsports: Exclusive: #Mavs attend 'extremely impressive' Michael Porter Jr. workout; he's a 'Top-3' #NBA draftee if healthy' https://247sports.com/nba/mavericks/...lthy-118901657 …

Good. The more the best prospects raise their value, the better for all of the top teams.

Underdog · 06-08-2018, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Good. The more the best prospects raise their value, the better for all of the top teams.

"A rising tide lifts all boats."

EricaLubarsky · 06-08-2018, 06:16 PM

Underdog · 06-08-2018, 06:26 PM

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rimrocker · 06-08-2018, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Hell, if we pulled that off we'd still have 33 and 54 as well -- no reason we couldn't bundle some of those to get a second top-10 pick.

More realistic....wonder if Sixers would be willing to trade 26 for 33/54?

rimrocker · 06-08-2018, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Scoobay

so trade #5 for #7 and #22
take on Faried to get #14

7 - Mikal
14 - Robert Williams
22 - Divincenzo

I don't see Chicago giving up #22 while only moving up 2 spots. We'd have to at least give up the two 2nd rounders and maybe more.

Also, Denver won't give up #14 just to get rid of Faried.

Now if we could pull off #5/#33/#54 for #7/#22 and then trade #22 for #14/Faried it might actually work.
Not sure I'd want to do it but we would instantly address two areas of need if we pick Bridges at 7 and Williams at 14.

Or, maybe trade #14 to Sixers for #10/Bayless leaving us with #7 and #10 picks.

sefant77 · 06-08-2018, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Unlike those Boston "rumors", this report at least comes from a source within the Mavs organization... Still comes with an "if" though.

@fishsports: Exclusive: #Mavs attend 'extremely impressive' Michael Porter Jr. workout; he's a 'Top-3' #NBA draftee if healthy' https://247sports.com/nba/mavericks/...lthy-118901657 …

So what are you doing when you really really want to draft Bamba?

Let someone talk to Fish to spread the rumor that they are in love with Porter because Porter is great and a Top-3 pick.

Ah and yeah, a healthy and impressive Porter is also healthy and impressive for the Grizzlies and would never make it past them because of the incredible fit there

sefant77 · 06-08-2018, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by rimrocker

I don't see Chicago giving up #22 while only moving up 2 spots. We'd have to at least give up the two 2nd rounders and maybe more.

Also, Denver won't give up #14 just to get rid of Faried.

Now if we could pull off #5/#33/#54 for #7/#22 and then trade #22 for #14/Faried it might actually work.
Not sure I'd want to do it but we would instantly address two areas of need if we pick Bridges at 7 and Williams at 14.

Or, maybe trade #14 to Sixers for #10/Bayless leaving us with #7 and #10 picks.

Dont trade down when you have the chance to draft a unicorn. Thats something you dont do.

Then Bamba becomes the center version of Giannis and we are stuck with a lame version of Otto Porter and Stromile Swift 2.0

Trading down is just not an option at #5 in this draft...

rimrocker · 06-08-2018, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

Dont trade down when you have the chance to draft a unicorn. Thats something you dont do.

Then Bamba becomes the center version of Giannis and we are stuck with a lame version of Otto Porter and Stromile Swift 2.0

Trading down is just not an option at #5 in this draft...

Not saying I'd do it but it might be a way to get two top 10 picks if the Mavs are high on Bridges.

sefant77 · 06-08-2018, 09:47 PM

I just read that Trae and Bamba declined to work out with Memphis.

I really think you can nail Memphis down to Bagley, healthy Porter or Doncic. That they wanted to work out Trae shows that they are really looking for scoring and ready now (because of Conley/Marcs age). Bamba and JJJ just dont fit their need or timeline...

I also still think that Vlade picks Doncic for sure. That makes the Hawks the wild card. I also read that JJJ is kind of slipping...

I would hate something like
Ayton
Doncic
Bamba
healthy Porter

And then we are stuck between Bagley and JJJ. Im not sold on Bagley becoming a true cornerstone and i like Bamba much more than JJJ

rimrocker · 06-08-2018, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

I just read that Trae and Bamba declined to work out with Memphis.

I really think you can nail Memphis down to Bagley, healthy Porter or Doncic. That they wanted to work out Trae shows that they are really looking for scoring and ready now (because of Conley/Marcs age). Bamba and JJJ just dont fit their need or timeline...

I also still think that Vlade picks Doncic for sure. That makes the Hawks the wild card. I also read that JJJ is kind of slipping...

I would hate something like
Ayton
Doncic
Bamba
healthy Porter

And then we are stuck between Bagley and JJJ. Im not sold on Bagley becoming a true cornerstone and i like Bamba much more than JJJ

Why is JJJ slipping?

mac222b · 06-09-2018, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

I just read that Trae and Bamba declined to work out with Memphis.

I really think you can nail Memphis down to Bagley, healthy Porter or Doncic. That they wanted to work out Trae shows that they are really looking for scoring and ready now (because of Conley/Marcs age). Bamba and JJJ just dont fit their need or timeline...

I also still think that Vlade picks Doncic for sure. That makes the Hawks the wild card. I also read that JJJ is kind of slipping...

I would hate something like
Ayton
Doncic
Bamba
healthy Porter

And then we are stuck between Bagley and JJJ. Im not sold on Bagley becoming a true cornerstone and i like Bamba much more than JJJ

Couldn’t agree more. That’s my nightmare scenario. I still think JJJ is doughy and unformed and far from a sure thing. A better Ibaka seems his ceiling to me.
Never bonded with Bagley. I like that he plays hard(on offense) but he just leaves me cold.

sefant77 · 06-09-2018, 12:17 AM

I dont want Bagley at all. That defense is unfixeable....

I think the Mavs board is
Ayton/Doncic
Bamba
Porter
JJJ

Bamba has so much unicorn potential. If they really think that he can improve to a solid jumper and add enough muscles (he has the frame) then you just have to pick him, even over a healthy Porter. But i think thats the two guys the Mavs are locked in right now, Bamba and Porter (both high ceiling gus)

If they are all gone i think they are picking JJJ as first 3&D center over Bagley...

mac222b · 06-09-2018, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

I dont want Bagley at all. That defense is unfixeable....

I think the Mavs board is
Ayton/Doncic
Bamba
Porter
JJJ

Bamba has so much unicorn potential. If they really think that he can improve to a solid jumper and add enough muscles (he has the frame) then you just have to pick him, even over a healthy Porter. But i think thats the two guys the Mavs are locked in right now, Bamba and Porter (both high ceiling gus)

If they are all gone i think they are picking JJJ as first 3&D center over Bagley...

I agree I think they’d love to see Luka fall and then when he doesn’t, take whoever is left between Bamba and MPJ. I’m hoping for one of those two. Bamba the Unicorn or Porter the born scorer. JJJ and Wendell Carter and Mikal and Miles will all be nice players but not franchise guys

hayth.james.g · 06-09-2018, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

I agree I think they’d love to see Luka fall and then when he doesn’t, take whoever is left between Bamba and MPJ. I’m hoping for one of those two. Bamba the Unicorn or Porter the born scorer. JJJ and Wendell Carter and Mikal and Miles will all be nice players but not franchise guys

Just not sure where you are drawing the conclusion that JJJ isn't a capable franchise guy but Bamba is. I haven't been his biggest fan, but I do see the insane potential. His floor is low, his ceiling is incredibly high.

I would encourage you to rewatch his film. Seeing him put the ball down at the 3 PT line, dribble through the lane, and finish with either hand is wild for a guy with his size. Not to mention his shooting and defensive impact. His only knock was overall production and lack of discipline (fouls). Both of which are easily counter argued.

Adding this video to further illustrate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7yQ7wmPzC0

EricaLubarsky · 06-09-2018, 09:20 AM

12 days

Melonhead · 06-09-2018, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

12 days

It can’t come soon enough. I’m tired of the “deals to get two top 10 picks”. It’s unrealistic. With that said I’m checking Mavs rumors everyday while on vacati M in japan wth is wrong with me. I’m also drunk right now

tap2390 · 06-09-2018, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

It can’t come soon enough. I’m tired of the “deals to get two top 10 picks”. It’s unrealistic. With that said I’m checking Mavs rumors everyday while on vacati M in japan wth is wrong with me. I’m also drunk right now

Sake drunk is the best. I too check up on my Mavs on vacation so don't feel too bad.

SMC0007 · 06-09-2018, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

I dont want Bagley at all. That defense is unfixeable....

I think the Mavs board is
Ayton/Doncic
Bamba
Porter
JJJ

Bamba has so much unicorn potential. If they really think that he can improve to a solid jumper and add enough muscles (he has the frame) then you just have to pick him, even over a healthy Porter. But i think thats the two guys the Mavs are locked in right now, Bamba and Porter (both high ceiling gus)

If they are all gone i think they are picking JJJ as first 3&D center over Bagley...

Bagleys defense isnt unfixable, but yea, I dont expect him to be a standout. I never expected Durant to be a standout either but he has become a nice defensive player. Bagleys too athletic to be considered unfixable in any aspect.

EricaLubarsky · 06-09-2018, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Bagleys defense isnt unfixable, but yea, I dont expect him to be a standout. I never expected Durant to be a standout either but he has become a nice defensive player. Bagleys too athletic to be considered unfixable in any aspect.

Bagley will be like Dirk. The dude is an offensive phenomenon and just has way too many ways to score and is almost unguardable. People said Dirk would never defend and yet he's become pretty good. Not DPOY good, but serviceable.

SMC0007 · 06-09-2018, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Bagley will be like Dirk. The dude is an offensive phenomenon and just has way too many ways to score and is almost unguardable. People said Dirk would never defend and yet he's become pretty good. Not DPOY good, but serviceable.

Yea. I don't think he will ever shoot it like Dirk but a mix of him and Stoudemire or LA. None of those 3 are defensive studs but they are servicable

sefant77 · 06-09-2018, 03:10 PM

I think after the past few years with bad defense, no rebounding or rim protection i prefer potential Gobert with a jumpshot over potential Amare 2.0...my guess the FO thinks the same, they also know that DSJ is going to be ok at defense but never a stud...

mac222b · 06-09-2018, 04:07 PM

[QUOTE=hayth.james.g;1436681]Just not sure where you are drawing the conclusion that JJJ isn't a capable franchise guy but Bamba is. I haven't been his biggest fan, but I do see the insane potential. His floor is low, his ceiling is incredibly high.

I would encourage you to rewatch his film. Seeing him put the ball down at the 3 PT line, dribble through the lane, and finish with either hand is wild for a guy with his size. Not to mention his shooting and defensive impact. His only knock was overall production and lack of discipline (fouls). Both of which are easily counter argued.

Adding this video to further illustrate: [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7yQ7wmPzC0

My main criticisms: he doesn’t look fluid to me. Not a ton of burst. Even his strengths are funky- low set-shot release on his jumper and while he looks good shadowing smaller guards on switches he has a sort of gallopy hitch about it. I saw him put the ball down twice and looked like a decent handle for a big but didn’t see him finish with either hand as dunking wide open wouldn’t count for me.

In the weakness section he seems to have a hard time finishing when it isn’t a dunk- not a ton of burst or touch. And not much in the way of passing or court vision. No mid-range game. He seems more Ibaka than Horford to me. That said, he’s super young and long and may already have more off the bounce game than Serge ever did. And Horford took awhile to develop 3 point shooting. I assume he’ll never be as skilled as Horford- few bigs are.

Quetzalcoatl · 06-09-2018, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

Dont trade down when you have the chance to draft a unicorn. Thats something you dont do.

Then Bamba becomes the center version of Giannis and we are stuck with a lame version of Otto Porter and Stromile Swift 2.0

Trading down is just not an option at #5 in this draft...

Totally agree.

hayth.james.g · 06-09-2018, 04:47 PM

To the point of not trading down, this game is 100% about getting at LEAST two unicorn caliber players together. You could say DSJ has the potential to be one. We need one more.

You won't win a championship in the new NBA without another home run. Swing big, hope to land, and if you do the supporting cast will come to Dallas. I am 100% against piecing together a team that hopes to one day get to the 2nd round.

rimrocker · 06-09-2018, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by hayth.james.g

To the point of not trading down, this game is 100% about getting at LEAST two unicorn caliber players together. You could say DSJ has the potential to be one. We need one more.

You won't win a championship in the new NBA without another home run. Swing big, hope to land, and if you do the supporting cast will come to Dallas. I am 100% against piecing together a team that hopes to one day get to the 2nd round.

The point of trading down only applies if there is strong probability that the guy you want is gone and the alternative guy should be where you trade down to.

There have been a few people on this board, not including me, who think Bridges should be our guy at #5. I was merely trying to figure out a possible option that would bring in another asset. If we're selecting him we better have another high pick.
Some of us are really high on Bamba and think he is our guy but that won't mean much if he is selected in the top 4. The idea of trading back would be plan B because there may not be much difference between Bridges and the supposed best option at #5.

TBH, Porter is risky as hell to me and I think I'd consider trading back a few spots if the choice is between him and JJJ. I'm not convinced JJJ has the motor and BBIQ to be anything close to a star.
I think I'd rather have the combination of Bridges and maybe Carter or Knox than either JJJ or Porter but that's just me.

rimrocker · 06-09-2018, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

Dont trade down when you have the chance to draft a unicorn. Thats something you dont do.

Then Bamba becomes the center version of Giannis and we are stuck with a lame version of Otto Porter and Stromile Swift 2.0

Trading down is just not an option at #5 in this draft...

Agree if Bamba is there at #5 but what if he isn't?

SMC0007 · 06-09-2018, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by rimrocker

The point of trading down only applies if there is strong probability that the guy you want is gone and the alternative guy should be where you trade down to.

There have been a few people on this board, not including me, who think Bridges should be our guy at #5. I was merely trying to figure out a possible option that would bring in another asset. If we're selecting him we better have another high pick.
Some of us are really high on Bamba and think he is our guy but that won't mean much if he is selected in the top 4. The idea of trading back would be plan B because there may not be much difference between Bridges and the supposed best option at #5.

TBH, Porter is risky as hell to me and I think I'd consider trading back a few spots if the choice is between him and JJJ. I'm not convinced JJJ has the motor and BBIQ to be anything close to a star.
I think I'd rather have the combination of Bridges and maybe Carter or Knox than either JJJ or Porter but that's just me.

Knox seems like a lock for a solid player at least.
But I have a feeling Porter is going to be healthy and be a beast.