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rabbitproof · 02-13-2009, 02:37 PM

Is there any way to do this without giving up JHo?

Stack+JET? Or Stack+Carroll+Wright?

Trying to get in the range of the Spurs deal.

Zki41 · 02-13-2009, 02:41 PM

Carroll can't be traded with other players (same with Hollins)

young_gunner · 02-13-2009, 03:09 PM

i wouldnt mind a stack/terry/ george combo..... but we all kno how that would end up!!!!

AxdemxO · 02-13-2009, 03:49 PM

Why would you rather trade Terry for Vince then Josh for Vince...makes no sense IMO

mac222b · 02-13-2009, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by rabbitproof

Is there any way to do this without giving up JHo?

Stack+JET? Or Stack+Carroll+Wright?

Trying to get in the range of the Spurs deal.

exactly what i was wondering

mac222b · 02-13-2009, 03:55 PM

we have a better shot at getting Harris back than getting Lopez

Thomas86 · 02-13-2009, 04:33 PM

Good for not putting Howard in the trade I mean the Spurs didn't offer manu ginobili for Vince did they?...we have to make smart moves this time and I think Cuban and Donnie don't want to get low balled in a trade again.

AxdemxO · 02-13-2009, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomas86

Good for not putting Howard in the trade I mean the Spurs didn't offer manu ginobili for Vince did they?...we have to make smart moves this time and I think Cuban and Donnie don't want to get low balled in a trade again.

OKK Idk how you meant for that statement to come out, but Manu>>>>>>Josh

soo Josh<<<<<Manu and Carter

Thomas86 · 02-13-2009, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by AxdemxO

OKK Idk how you meant for that statement to come out, but Manu>>>>>>Josh

soo Josh<<<<<Manu and Carter

I just don't want the Mavs to look bad in a trade again that's all I'm saying I'm mean Cuban and Donnie are still getting bashed for trading Devin.

bernardos70 · 02-13-2009, 05:07 PM

All packages I've seen the Spurs offer to the Nets are absolute garbage. Once again, is our garbage worse than theirs? (No offense to any of the players who might read this).

DelNegro · 02-13-2009, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by bernardos70

All packages I've seen the Spurs offer to the Nets are absolute garbage. Once again, is our garbage worse than theirs? (No offense to any of the players who might read this).

No, it's not. For the life of me I can't understand why the Spurs would be interested in Vince. Not that Vince isn't a good player, but that's a big contract to put in a small market and he's not really what the Spurs need. They need help up front.

If the Nets are blowing the Mavs off when it comes to Vince wouldn't that have something to do with the draft pick from the Kidd trade that the Nets have? That does give the Nets a pretty good reason for not wanting to see the Mavs improve. Just a theory anyways.........

mac222b · 02-13-2009, 05:27 PM

If the reports are somewhat accurate it's Oberto, Mason, Bowen all of whom come off in '10. Spurs probably throw in a 1st and/or Hill too. Stack, George, Barea, Bass, A. Wright works for VC too. They all come off by end of next year. And Stack is immediate cap relief. We don't have a pick to sweeten the deal though. If we do J-HO and Stack for VC, Dooling, Najera we have nothing left to make another move and we've given up one of our better players in Josh, which, as someone mentioned, the Spurs don't have to do. I just hope that by playing hardball we wind up seeing the Spurs get this year's Gasol...

rabbitproof · 02-13-2009, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by AxdemxO

Why would you rather trade Terry for Vince then Josh for Vince...makes no sense IMO

JET's quality but contract for one.

Two, JET and Vince play the same position pretty much. They won't both get on the floor when Kidd is on the floor whereas Josh could.

mac222b · 02-13-2009, 05:43 PM

If all SA can give are '10 expirings, what if we offer J-Ho, Wright, Bass. It works $ wise and we keep Stack. If we can get something good for him at the deadline(Camby, Kaman)we do it. If not we wait and can package him with our 1st this summer. Maybe SA can offer their low 1st rd. pick too. But we can still offer them the best player(J-ho). They just don't an immediate expiring or our 2 best chips, other than Kidd who apparently is untouchable (which is slightly hilarious to me) unless the FO is bluffing.

AxdemxO · 02-13-2009, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by rabbitproof

JET's quality but contract for one.

Two, JET and Vince play the same position pretty much. They won't both get on the floor when Kidd is on the floor whereas Josh could.

They actually would, because VC is closer to a SF anyway.

So I think we would see a lot of

Kidd
Jet
VC
Dirk
Damp ...and if we need some more D we put Wright in there with Vince and they can both play either position.

You cant include Wright in any of these trades that include Josh IMO, unless they think that Green is ready to step up.

rabbitproof · 02-14-2009, 01:17 AM

Vince is a two.

BPo001 · 02-14-2009, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

If all SA can give are '10 expirings, what if we offer J-Ho, Wright, Bass. It works $ wise and we keep Stack. If we can get something good for him at the deadline(Camby, Kaman)we do it. If not we wait and can package him with our 1st this summer. Maybe SA can offer their low 1st rd. pick too. But we can still offer them the best player(J-ho). They just don't an immediate expiring or our 2 best chips, other than Kidd who apparently is untouchable (which is slightly hilarious to me) unless the FO is bluffing.

No way i would give up Josh, Wright, and Bass for Carter

BGMaverick9 · 02-14-2009, 11:41 AM

I saw an interesting post on LMF:
What if the media is letting you be a fly on the wall for the negotiations for a VC deal?

Wojnarowkski, for Yahoo, is the one who seems to be leading the charge for presenting this idea. You can check his archive, the guy actually had a pretty decent reading on the idea Kidd was going to come to Dallas. He was talking about it in some detail in the late stages of January, before stuff really broke. Maybe he has a pretty fair idea of what is going on in the Nets organization.

Now to bring this to a Dallas perspective: Stein. We all know Stein is based out of Dallas and does great work for ESPN and he has a really good pulse on the Mavericks.
This is what he wrote:
There have been media reports all week indicating that the Mavs are chasing New Jersey's Vince Carter, but club sources have stressed repeatedly that they have no intention of including Josh Howard in such a deal, likely ruling out any notion of a Carter-Jason Kidd reunion.

One team source said Thursday that the Nets would have to include rookie center Brook Lopez to change that stance, which obviously isn't happening.
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I think this might be how it's ACTUALLY going. Dallas KNOWS they're bailing NJ out with VC and the two other contracts. By getting those #s off the books, NJ is starting a nice rebuilding process. IMO, Dallas is getting the best player out of the deal but they want more from it. They know they're taking IN a ton of salary in the process of getting the best player so they want a piece that also can seriously contribute in a position of need: Lopez fits that bill.

I think that last part is where the snag is. Both of these writers seem to have a good read on the teams and they know what the teams are trying to get out of it. So it looks like the snag is that last part that Dallas wants to finish it off.

DevinHarriswillstart · 02-14-2009, 12:12 PM

No chance NJ gives us Lopez. None whatsoever.

My opinion is still that Dallas only does this to block SA from doing it.

And of course the Mavs this time around will deny any Howard rumor to keep his value up. If they even give an inch, then Howard's value will decrease.

AxdemxO · 02-14-2009, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by rabbitproof

Vince is a two.

Vince is a 2/3

Dirkenstien · 02-14-2009, 12:19 PM

I think Vince can be had for a package that doesn't include Howard, and honestly, that's the only way we'll be a significantly better team than we are now, anyhow.

Windmill360 · 02-14-2009, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirkenstien

I think Vince can be had for a package that doesn't include Howard, and honestly, that's the only way we'll be a significantly better team than we are now, anyhow.

I also thought that Kidd could be had for a package not including Harris.

AxdemxO · 02-14-2009, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Windmill360

I also thought that Kidd could be had for a package not including Harris.

Hayy while wer at IT why not try to get Amare or Bosh in a package that includes Williams, Singleton, and JJ and excludes Josh

grndmstr_c · 02-14-2009, 01:50 PM

I saw that thread you're talking about, BG. It's an interesting take on the situation, for sure. If Boone and the 2010 pick the Mavs gave up in the Kidd trade got subbed in for Najera (I think that was one of the ideas floated on LMF) I'd start feeling more optimistic about the swap providing the team what they'd need to really contend.

alby · 02-14-2009, 02:00 PM

Vince Carter's skillset is a 2/3, but on Dallas he would play the 3 because Antoine Wright will guard the other team's best swingman whom usually plays the 2-guard position.

DevinHarriswillstart · 02-14-2009, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Windmill360

I also thought that Kidd could be had for a package not including Harris.

I still hold this opinion. Certainly we didn't have to give up 2 first rounders.

Let's just hope Cuban learned from that.

cinemablend · 02-14-2009, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by rabbitproof

Is there any way to do this without giving up JHo?

Stack+JET? Or Stack+Carroll+Wright?

Trying to get in the range of the Spurs deal.

For some reason only teams like the Spurs and the Lakers are able to trade their spare parts for big time players.

We all know that never ever works out for the Mavs.

I mean if they're willing to take Omberto and Bowen or whoever we ought to be able to do something like that, but you know they never will.

AxdemxO · 02-14-2009, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by alby

Vince Carter's skillset is a 2/3, but on Dallas he would play the 3 because Antoine Wright will guard the other team's best swingman whom usually plays the 2-guard position.

Ecxactly

AxdemxO · 02-14-2009, 04:18 PM

Carter To Spurs Heating Up
More Spurs News

Feb 14, 2009 3:10 PM EST

The rumors of a trade between the Spurs and Nets involving guard Vince Carter appeared to heat up on Friday night.

If New Jersey trades Carter, San Antonio is considered the front-runner to land the former All-Star.

The most recent proposal has the Spurs sending Roger Mason, George Hill, Fabricio Oberto and Bruce Bowen to New Jersey for Carter.

The Nets would immediately waive Oberto and Bowen to get themselves under the 15-man roster limit.

****This would be such a steal for the Spurs because you know they would get those guys back

mac222b · 02-14-2009, 04:40 PM

I think NJ has 2 rivals bidding against one another and they don't even HAVE to move VC right now. This will be about who blinks first. We can offer the best player(J-Ho) or the immediate expiring(Stack). SA can offer young cheap guys(Mason, Hill)and maybe a 1st which NJ may not even want. More guaranteed $. And for some reason they seem to be flush with 1sts right now. I think we're holding firm saying: "you can't have both" Stack and J-Ho. I think we'd do J-Ho, Wright, Bass. It's tougher to create a package around Stack because Carter makes 14+. But i feel like either way we trump SA's offer. And we're about to call NJ's bluff.

young_gunner · 02-14-2009, 04:44 PM

^^^^i honestly think the commish would prevent them from resigning w the spurs... i think hes done it beffore if im not mistaken??!

quietsavant · 02-14-2009, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by young_gunner

^^^^i honestly think the commish would prevent them from resigning w the spurs... i think hes done it beffore if im not mistaken??!

Antonio Mcdyess to Denver??? cut and resigned w/ Detroit

Dirkenstien · 02-14-2009, 07:14 PM

Yeah I'm thinking New Jersey isn't happy with what SA is offering up. Cleveland supposedly was also interested in Carter but now everything I read has them trying to throw everything they have at PHX for Amare.

I think we're in the lead spot with the VC sweepstakes.

BGMaverick9 · 02-14-2009, 07:37 PM

To do a deal just so the Spurs won't get him would be a DUMB reason to do the deal.

grndmstr_c: that idea with Boone and the pick sounds a lot better, Lopez is a pipedream but it'd be the best for us.

alby hit it right on the head:
Damp
Dirk
VC
Wright
Kidd

young_gunner · 02-14-2009, 07:39 PM

commish stated that he was not allow stack to resign w the mavs after he was traded. so I would think that might be the case if there is any prev knowledge of that.... I'm guessing.. I could be way off on that situation

young_gunner · 02-14-2009, 08:00 PM

commish stated that he was not allow stack to resign w the mavs after he was traded. so I would think that might be the case if there is any prev knowledge of that.... I'm guessing.. I could be way off on that situation

grndmstr_c · 02-14-2009, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by AxdemxO

Carter To Spurs Heating Up
More Spurs News

Feb 14, 2009 3:10 PM EST

The rumors of a trade between the Spurs and Nets involving guard Vince Carter appeared to heat up on Friday night.

If New Jersey trades Carter, San Antonio is considered the front-runner to land the former All-Star.

The most recent proposal has the Spurs sending Roger Mason, George Hill, Fabricio Oberto and Bruce Bowen to New Jersey for Carter.

The Nets would immediately waive Oberto and Bowen to get themselves under the 15-man roster limit.

****This would be such a steal for the Spurs because you know they would get those guys back

Perhaps my CBA knowledge is lacking, but I don't believe you can execute a trade that brings you over the 15-player limit. If you're making a trade that would put you over that limit you have to waive enough of your own players in advance of making the trade that it wouldn't put you over the limit.

jthig32 · 02-14-2009, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

Perhaps my CBA knowledge is lacking, but I don't believe you can execute a trade that brings you over the 15-player limit. If you're making a trade that would put you over that limit you have to waive enough of your own players in advance of making the trade that it wouldn't put you over the limit.

Yup. Completely illegal trade scenario.

darkwitzki · 02-16-2009, 07:39 AM

News that the Spurs have the best offer for VC probably are true, any chance we land VC here w/out trading JHO?

frozenking · 02-16-2009, 10:33 PM

TEAM LOOK
Dampier
Dirk
Carter
Wright
Kidd

Terry
Bass
Dooling
JJ
Najera

Carter and howard volume shooters, inconsistent but having Carter would take major pressure off Dirk BUT we need som1 more efficient so I would say no.

Dooling is definitely the best piece out of their since we are weak at back up point guard

Najera?? What about singleton and devean George?? We don’t need anymore players that cant make shots