Wang the trillion dollar player

[MavKikiNYC]

<< MavKiki-
why are you rambling on about Bradley's per48min stats? >>



You say 'rambling on', I say 'ridiculing'. Poh-tay-toh, poh-tah-toh.



<< This is a thread about how great Wang is. If you want to compare on-court production of the two players, that might make sense. >>



Correct you are that this thread is dedicated to 'honoring' Wang's efforts. I'm just saying that when Mantis plays to those same standards in a given game, that he should receive similar 'recognition'. Nothing more, nothing less.



<< However: those stats would only serve to make Wang look bad and Bradley look good. So please, if you want to let us know about the absolute dominance of Shawn Bradley in the per48min stats, start another thread. >>



You have a point. And if Mantis emits a third consecutive stinker of a game, it will be time for some people to put down the pom-poms and re-examine his efforts (or increasingly frequent lack thereof) to date.

[madape]

Wang is dominating in at least one stat this year, the heralded &quot;Did not play - Coaches Decision&quot; stat:

Currently, Wang has more DNP-CDs (8) than he has:

Games Played
Rebounds
Assists
Steals
Blocks
Field Goals Made
Free-Throws Made

[madape]

Here we see a Wang in it's natural habitat

[Dooby]

Legitimate LOL.

[Fidel]

LOL madape.

And Kikki, you were the one who compared Wang to Bradley.
And the Bradley stats I posted were obviously single game achievements not 48 minute stats. Funny how you didn´t comment on the efficiency thing. This is a stat that clearly shows: even if given minutes Wang can´t produce. His production is negative, doesn´t matter if he plays 5 or 15 minutes. Wang is averaging 1,17 efficiency points per game. Bradley averages 16,46. Wang plays 9 minutes per game, Bradley plays 29 mins per game. You can do the math.



<< Correct you are that this thread is dedicated to 'honoring' Wang's efforts. I'm just saying that when Mantis plays to those same standards in a given game, that he should receive similar 'recognition'. Nothing more, nothing less.
>>



Well no, because unlike Wang no one said Bradley might be the second coming of Dirk. And we kept hearing about how it was a huge mistake to let Wang go and how we could use him. And that´s the whole point. The Bradley supporters came out AFTER he did produce, the Wang lovers keep talking what he woulda coulda shoulda do. But unlike Bradley he has done NOTHING so far. Big difference.

[Evilmav2]

Hahahaha... Quality post Ape...

[madape]

Wang played tonight!!!

4 minutes. 0 poitnts. 0 rebounds. 1 missed field goal.

He's now got his rebound average down to 0.6 a game. When adjusted for DNP-CDs, that number falls to 0.4 a game.

He's on pace to get a whopping 33 boards this year! Wow!

[MavKikiNYC]

<< Wang played tonight!!!

4 minutes. 0 poitnts. 0 rebounds. 1 missed field goal.

He's now got his rebound average down to 0.6 a game. When adjusted for DNP-CDs, that number falls to 0.4 a game.

He's on pace to get a whopping 33 boards this year! Wow! >>



But he altered a lot of Utah's shots, stretched the defense with his outside shooting, and thoroughly dominated play in the 4 minutes that he was on the court. So many things just don't show up in the box score. His adjusted efficiency rating was phenomenal.

Wang's line was pretty similar to that of highly-touted rookie Chris Wilcox, and the well-regarded Quentin Richardson.

Sincere props to Matt Harpring who had a very nice 30-point game, raising his season average to 16.5. Mavs could've had him for a song.

[Dooby]

<< But he altered a lot of Utah's shots, stretched the defense with his outside shooting, and thoroughly dominated play in the 4 minutes that he was on the court. So many things just don't show up in the box score. His adjusted efficiency rating was phenomenal. >>



LOL.

[Dooby]

The dreaded double-post. But what the hell, I'll edit and post something.

4 minutes. 0 points. 0 rebounds. 1 missed field goal.

Wang's per 48 minute stats from last night: 0 points on 0-12 shooting; 0 rebounds; 0 assists; 0 blocks; 12 fouls.

[Usually Lurkin]

lol dooby

. . . but really, if he had 20 min a night for a few games to get comfortable, I'm sure he'd be hitting at about 50% shooting, and grabbing some rebounds, too.

[OutletPass]

MavsKiki...so this is where you've been.

Listen, I have got to agree with you about Matt Harpring and give you props on that one. Wish we had him...oh well, the Nellies aren't perfect. You do have a very valid point about the summer decision making.

Later.

[Evilmav2]

It looks like another typical WangWang night on national television... DNP-CD during the heroic OT Clips win Thanksgiving night...



Up to this point of the season the Clippers are 2-7 when Wang plays more than 1 minute a game. During the two wins in that stretch Wang averaged the following impressive statline...

21 minutes, 1-8 total FG shooting, 0-4 3pt shooting, 5 pts, 2 rbs, 0 assists, 0 blocks, and 3 turnovers...

[MFFL]

<< It looks like another typical WangWang night on national television... DNP-CD during the heroic OT Clips win Thanksgiving night. >>



I watched that game. It was so weird to see the Clips needing a 3 pointer to tie - not once but TWICE - and Wang was not on the court.

[madape]

Another week of abscence and futility from our favorite traitor. He is now the offcial Clipper bench spare, perhaps the most dubious honor in professional sports. But unlike past Clip bench spares like Keith Closs and Stojko Vranovik, Wang shows absolutely no sign of ever becoming an NBA contributor. On the rare occasion that he even gets on the court, he flat out stinks. It's unbeleiveable... the widely heralded &quot;future all star&quot; is playing his way onto the IR of one of the worst teams in the NBA. What's next for Wang? Can the Clips afford to keep a player so incapable of conributing on their active roster? Wouldn't it be better for them to dump him now before he starts threatining rataliation for the Clips not complying to his demands for more playing time. How would the Clipper's asian fans react to a Wang Zhi Zhi walkout? If I were the Clips, I'd cut my losses now and avoid the another Wang betrayal. We all know he's planning one as we speak.

[MFFL]

I wonder how much of his problem might be the language barrier. He did not noticeably improve his English while he was with the Mavs and Cuban hired a basketball coach to communicate with Wang. I can't imagine Sterling forking out the bucks to hire someone just to talk to Wang.

[Evilmav2]

Wang's minutes may have disapeared because the People's Republic of China is no longer forcing his team to play him...

[Dooby]

Wang does not show up in last night's boxscore (DNP or otherwise). I wonder what the deal is. Maybe he is on the IR list.

[Usually Lurkin]

Wang has not been on the Yahoo box all year. Did you try NBA.com? earlier it was a tragic DNP.

[Dooby]

I look at the ESPN site exclusively; he has shown up all year 'till last night.

[Usually Lurkin]

just another case of Wang (once again) being hassled by the man.

[Usually Lurkin]

Wang's per 48 minute stats against Miami last night:
24 rebounds
24 points
0 turnovers
0 fouls

[Dooby]

Yeah, stats look that way when you play a whopping 4 minutes and get 2 points and 2 boards.

[MavKikiNYC]

<< Wang's per 48 minute stats against Miami last night:
24 rebounds
24 points
0 turnovers
0 fouls >>



In a word: &quot;Dominant.&quot;

[Evilmav2]

In a loss to the Jazz one game before Wang's big night in Miami, his per 48 minute stats were not quite as impressive...


0 pts.
0 rbs.
0 asst.
0 stl.
0 blk.
12 fouls

[MavKikiNYC]

Like Bradley, his dominance has been intermittent.

[Chiwas]

He is improving.

[Usually Lurkin]

well, mavs fans are still calling for a 'banger' or an 'enforcer' down low.
And as evilmav2 pointed out, the great one is more than willing to play intimidator when needed.

[Evilmav2]

Intimidation...


Innovation...


The Man... The Myth... The Flying Great Wall Rocket... Wang Chung

[Chiwas]

The Myth...

[madape]

Based on minutes logged in recent games, here is what the Clippers player rotation at the center spot is rounding out to be:

1) Michael Olowakandi
2) Melvin Ely
3) Sean Rooks
4) Cherokee Parks
5) Chris Wilcox
6) Wang Zhi Zhi

Now that Ely is starting, it's obvious the Clippers see him as the eventual replacement for Kandi if he leaves. They must be incredibly disappointed in Wang. With Olowakandi out, he's still racking up DNPs. Even Cherokee Parks and Chris Wilcox are getting more minutes than him now-a-days. In fact, Wang is getting less minutes than anyone on the entire Clipper roster. The only reason he's been able to avoid IR duty, is because the Clips have been WHACKED with injuries. But can the Clips even afford to keep wasting a valuble roster spot on the totally inept Wang? I have a feeling that the Clippers don't want to carry six centers on their roster for the entire year. Wang will be in the unemployment line soon. The only question is whether there is another team foolish enough to claim him off waivers.

[Evilmav2]

[i]Clips hardly have time for ex-Mav Wang

12/08/2002

On Tuesday, the Mavericks get their first chance to see former player Wang Zhizhi in his new Clippers uniform.

They better look fast. Wang might not be on the court very long – if at all.

In the Clippers' first 19 games this season, the 7-1 Wang has made just eight appearances, none as a starter. Three times, Wang played four minutes or less.

He's averaging less playing time this season in Los Angeles than he did last season in Dallas – even though the Clippers are a struggling team plagued by injuries.

Having signed the Chinese native to a three-year, $6 million contract in the off-season after the Mavericks declined to match the offer sheet, the Clippers don't seem to be getting much Wang for their bucks.

But head coach Alvin Gentry said Wang's infrequent appearance in the rotation is a simple matter of arithmetic. Center Michael Olowokandi and forward Elton Brand average nearly 40 minutes a night. That leaves just 16 minutes a game to be divided between the other big players, including two other former Mavericks, Sean Rooks and Cherokee Parks.

&quot;It's not so much that we don't want to use him,&quot; Gentry said of Wang, who could not be reached for comment. &quot;It's just finding the time to use him.&quot;

Even so, Gentry's response to Olowokandi's recent knee injury – one that landed him on the injured list this week – indicates the team is not ready to hand over substantial minutes to Wang.

Instead of moving Wang into the starting center spot Wednesday against Miami, Gentry turned to 6-10 rookie Melvin Ely, who missed the first month with a foot injury. Rooks then received the bulk of the minutes at center, with Wang getting just four minutes.

As the Clippers are finding out, the problem with Wang is that he's in love with his perimeter game. He fancies himself as the next Dirk Nowitzki, a 7-footer who can shoot daggers from the 3-point arc.

But while Wang does have a decent outside touch, he's not nearly as lethal or consistent as Nowitzki. And unlike the Mavericks star, Wang contributes little on the inside. The Clippers want him to get stronger, to rebound better and to develop some low-post moves.

In other words, they want to see more of the traditional things that a 7-footer usually provides.

&quot;One of the things that has gotten him in trouble is playing too much on the perimeter,&quot; Gentry said. &quot;He's got to learn how to play with his back to the basket.&quot;

Mavericks fans might be inclined to smirk at Wang's slide this season. After all, he left the team in a sticky situation this summer when he disappeared instead of honoring his agreement to play for his national team.

The Mavericks – who invested so much time and effort to make Wang the NBA's first Chinese player – and the Chinese Basketball Association have since taken a good-riddance approach.

Maybe, though, Wang is in a perfect situation for him. A low-pressure environment. A chance to develop at his own pace. And the potential for lots of playing time in the near future. After all, Olowokandi, Brand and Rooks are among eight Clippers who could leave as either restricted or unrestricted free agents after this season.

&quot;We like him,&quot; Gentry said. &quot;We just didn't sign him for this year. We got him for the future.&quot;

Right now, his future looks better than his present.

[Nash13]

I say boo his 1 min per game behind right out of the arena on Tuesday.

Why did he leave the Mavs, who have low amount of big men, to go to the Clippers to compete for playin time against veterans and promising ROOKIES?

[David]

Clips hardly have time for ex-Mav Wang

12/08/2002

...But while Wang does have a decent outside touch, he's not nearly as lethal or consistent as Nowitzki. And unlike the Mavericks star, Wang contributes little on the inside. The Clippers want him to get stronger, to rebound better and to develop some low-post moves....

In other words, they want to see more of the traditional things that a 7-footer usually provides....

&quot;One of the things that has gotten him in trouble is playing too much on the perimeter,&quot; Gentry said. &quot;He's got to learn how to play with his back to the basket.&quot;...

...Maybe, though, Wang is in a perfect situation for him. A low-pressure environment. A chance to develop at his own pace. And the potential for lots of playing time in the near future. After all, Olowokandi, Brand and Rooks are among eight Clippers who could leave as either restricted or unrestricted free agents after this season....

&quot;We like him,&quot; Gentry said. &quot;We just didn't sign him for this year. We got him for the future.&quot; Right now, his future looks better than his present.

[madape]

The futures so bright, I gotta wear shades.

[Frank_Wang]

madape
You no class for posting that pic about Wang Zhizhi.

[Bill King]

At least, Wang can be the SF(or PF) when Dirk is not playing.
Maybe he can't be a good center, but he can make 3-point shots. In shooting 3-points, he is not worse than Dirk!

[Dooby]

last night v. Hornets-DNP-CD. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif[/img]

[Chiwas]

<< last night v. Hornets-DNP-CD >>

He improved totally.

[Usually Lurkin]

Predictions for Wang against mavs:

Wang finally allowed to unleash the fire that has built up within him for so long:
20 min, 25 points, 13 rebounds, 4 blocks
5 fouls earned for repeatedly knocking Bradley and Nowitski to the floor
2 techs for punching Nelson and Cuban in the face.
Or a DNP-cd.