Mavs FAs: Who Should Be Back In Blue Next Season? - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

Underdog · 04-11-2018, 05:50 PM

Could only choose 10 players and wanted to include both DFS and Kleber since they both have team options, so Aaron Harrison got bumped off the list since he was last in.

MavzMan · 04-11-2018, 06:14 PM

No:
Noel - He'll be busy filming the long awaited sequel to Up In Smoke with Cheech and Chong
DFS - good defender, black hole on offense even with catch and shoot threes
Yogi - hope he gets good contract somewhere else because I'm really tired of super small guards
Jones - not there yet for NBA, hope he goes overseas and makes good money
Collinsworth - i wouldn't mind him on the cheap, but have to see what else we do in off-season

Yes:
Dougie - sick three point shot, will be solid rotation player
Seth - jury still out but warrants a make good contract to see what he's got left
Salah - great bench player when you need him and perfect attitude
Motley - would like to see if he can hang on a playoff team
Kleiber - Salah 2.0 and the wife loves his beard

Underdog · 04-11-2018, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by MavzMan

No:
Noel - He'll be busy filming the long awaited sequel to Up In Smoke with Cheech and Chong
DFS - good defender, black hole on offense even with catch and shoot threes
Yogi - hope he gets good contract somewhere else because I'm really tired of super small guards
Jones - not there yet for NBA, hope he goes overseas and makes good money
Collinsworth - i wouldn't mind him on the cheap, but have to see what else we do in off-season

Yes:
Dougie - sick three point shot, will be solid rotation player
Seth - jury still out but warrants a make good contract to see what he's got left
Salah - great bench player when you need him and perfect attitude
Motley - would like to see if he can hang on a playoff team
Kleiber - Salah 2.0 and the wife loves his beard

Pretty much agree with this list, but I don't have Salah coming back... Love his energy, hustle and attitude, but he's on the wrong side of 30 and I think we're going to have to clear out some bigs to make room for fresh blood... Pretty sure we're going to get a center and/or PF in the draft/free agency, so if it's between Mejri or Motley to round out Dirk/Powell/Kleber/new guy(s), I'd rather go with Mot.

spreedom · 04-11-2018, 06:58 PM

At the right price, I'd welcome any of these guys back, but you also don't want to get too sentimental with guys from a 24-win team. I voted for McBuckets, Seth, DFS, Motley, Kleber and Collinsworth. I think besides Doug and Seth, they're all guys we can get back at league-minimum deals and are worth investing minutes and developmental resources in. Doug might end up getting the most total dollars of anyone we sign this summer, unless we land someone like Aaron Gordon. I hope Seth comes back at a reasonable price and multiple years.

Yogi might be too expensive -- he's certainly among the best backup guards in the league and deserves to be paid like it. Salah is fine but doesn't fit our timetable. Jones is okay but I don't see a ton of NBA potential in him. Nerlens clearly won't be back. Harrison seems like a decent player but I don't think we'll have any minutes for him with a healthy Seth and DFS coming back next year.

Overall this is a very decent crop of guys, character-wise, and the only one I have reservations about is Nerlens... but it's also worth noting that he was playing very well when he came back from the thumb injury.

DevinHarriswillstart · 04-11-2018, 07:18 PM

No- Wes Matthews for the miracle.
Curry way overrated for doing one thing well in a small stretch. Always injured.
Salah already has his spot taken by Motely
DFS isn't even d league quality IMO

Yes-Doug
Yogi if the price is right

The rest I really don't care about either way. And isn't Motley under contract for next season?

Underdog · 04-11-2018, 07:27 PM

One guy I do like a lot is Yogi, but he's probably going to price himself out of a reasonable backup contract, and I can't really stomach having both him and JJB on the roster at the same time... I honestly do like his overall game better than Barea's (especially on defense), but JJ seems to be a bit of a mentor to DSJ as far as Rick is concerned.

SMC0007 · 04-12-2018, 09:52 AM

YES:
Motely is an obvious choice.
Doug

YES, Depending on $:
Yogi is a great backup
Seth has pedigree and potential

Melonhead · 04-12-2018, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by MavzMan

No:
Noel - He'll be busy filming the long awaited sequel to Up In Smoke with Cheech and Chong
DFS - good defender, black hole on offense even with catch and shoot threes
Yogi - hope he gets good contract somewhere else because I'm really tired of super small guards
Jones - not there yet for NBA, hope he goes overseas and makes good money
Collinsworth - i wouldn't mind him on the cheap, but have to see what else we do in off-season

Yes:
Dougie - sick three point shot, will be solid rotation player
Seth - jury still out but warrants a make good contract to see what he's got left
Salah - great bench player when you need him and perfect attitude
Motley - would like to see if he can hang on a playoff team
Kleiber - Salah 2.0 and the wife loves his beard

My same list.

MavzMan · 04-12-2018, 11:17 AM

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Seth has pedigree and potential

Seth is 27. At what point is it not potential anymore and he just is what he is?

walter · 04-12-2018, 11:33 AM

Keep McDermott and Curry, elite floor spacers that are still young always have a place in the NBA. DFS, Kleber, and Motley have cheap team options so might as well keep them around.

Keep Yogi only at the right price. If someone wants to throw big money at him then unfortunately you have to let him go.

Bye bye Noel. Collinsworth, Harrison and Jones are meh. Churn their spots with second rounders and undrafted players. Mejri just doesn't fit the timeline, plus we are likely getting a big in the draft.

Coming back:
Dirk
Smith Jr
Barnes
Matthews
Barea
Powell
McDermott
Curry
DFS
Kleber
Motley

That's 11. Plus one FA signing and two rookies and maybe Yogi is 15. Then 2 two-way spots for undrafteds.

Melonhead · 04-12-2018, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by MavzMan

Seth is 27. At what point is it not potential anymore and he just is what he is?

Right, hes a decent floor spacer that can shoot the 3 when hes not the primary focus.

Skywalker · 04-12-2018, 11:55 AM

Noel not getting a single vote, lmao

BigDog63 · 04-12-2018, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by spreedom

At the right price, I'd welcome any of these guys back, but you also don't want to get too sentimental with guys from a 24-win team. Mavs have acquired a great group of potential role players. I voted for McBuckets, Seth, DFS, Motley, Kleber and Collinsworth. I think besides Doug and Seth, they're all guys we can get back at league-minimum deals and are worth investing minutes and developmental resources in. Doug might end up getting the most total dollars of anyone we sign this summer, unless we land someone like Aaron Gordon. I hope Seth comes back at a reasonable price and multiple years.
Yogi might be too expensive -- he's certainly among the best backup guards in the league and deserves to be paid like it. Salah is fine but doesn't fit our timetable. Jones is okay but I don't see a ton of NBA potential in him. Nerlens clearly won't be back. Harrison seems like a decent player but I don't think we'll have any minutes for him with a healthy Seth and DFS coming back next year.

Overall this is a very decent crop of guys, character-wise, and the only one I have reservations about is Nerlens... but it's also worth noting that he was playing very well when he came back from the thumb injury

Agree with all this, including seeing what happens with Noel. Given his year, I'm not sure he'll be getting much more interest than he had last year...which led to Mavs bringing up back on a vet min deal. Given that he was playing fairly well when he did come back late in the year... who knows what might happen. It may depend a lot on who they get in the draft. If they still need a center, Noel may well be on that list.

SMC0007 · 04-12-2018, 01:18 PM

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Seth is 27. At what point is it not potential anymore and he just is what he is?

Not potential to be a star, but for the right price a nice rotation player.

Same with Salah. Why do we need him at 30 or 31? He in my opinion has to go after every ref and complain about every call as if he is a superstar.

EricaLubarsky · 04-12-2018, 01:41 PM

Kleber (TO) - he's shown himself to be a solid backup. Can hit the three, rebound, and hustle. Team option so we know he's only 1.7m

McDermott (TO) - Same. Guys who can fill it up are going to be solid. He's no star, but he's the kind of guy that makes everyone better with his ability to spread the floor. He can really open it up for Jr. and our lottery pick. Plus, he's guaranteed to only cost us 4.5m which is a bargain for a potential starter/6th man.

Curry (UFA/earlybird) - Same as McDermott. Dude can shoot and score. That's hard to get and essential for a good team. He will create room for Smith to be a star. Just has to be healthy and the right price.

Ferrell (UFA/earlybird) - love his fight, but know his weaknesses. Dude is a decent (but not fantastic) backup. For the right price, I like him.

Motley (TO) - Unless we waive him, he's on the roster (at least the extended roster) and I like that. Two-year, two-way contract.

Mejri (QO/RFA)- I like dirty players that play hard and get into peoples heads. Not my top priority, but a decent 13-15 man.

Noel (UFA/Fullbird)- I'm not sure I'd even offer him the minimum. Dude is a headcase and may very well never play another game in the NBA. He's all hustle and no fundamentals and doesn't have the will to learn nor the professionalism to stay in the league.

Dirk (TO/Fullbird)- Give him what he wants.

Matthews (POwaived/Fullbird UFA) - Ugh, don't ask me about him. I think the team is better with him on it, but that contract situation is going to be rocky. He's injured so you'd hope for a discount, but before his injury and DNPs, he was averaging 14-3-2 on 43% shooting from three with a solid defensive rating. Not really sure what to do with him. I like him as a 3/D guy next to Jr and our pick for the right price and he's proven to be a solid and professional leader. I just don't want to think about the cost and number of years.

Luke · 04-12-2018, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

Right, hes a decent floor spacer that can shoot the 3 when hes not the primary focus.

Which is fine. You need a couple of guys that can break down the defense and several guys that can make team's pay.

Luke · 04-12-2018, 01:48 PM

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Seth is 27. At what point is it not potential anymore and he just is what he is?

I think Seth has shown that he's not just potential. Last year proved that. Now you have to worry about his health...but he has proven that he can play basketball in the NBA at a high level.

jayC · 04-12-2018, 04:13 PM

It just depends on what you do in the draft and then free agency.

MavzMan · 04-12-2018, 04:47 PM

Expanding on my Yes votes earlier and including Devin Harris who I expect to try and come back, then adding in 2 rookies from first and second round, plus hopefully a starter free agent ... our 15 man roster definitely fills up fast!

C - Free Agent, Dirk, Salah, Motley
PF - Rookie, Powell, Kleber
SF - Barnes, Rookie 2nd round
SG - Wes, Harris, McDermott
PG - DSJ, JJB, Seth

The downside is that this team looks a lot like our current 24-58 team. The upside is that we all pretty much agree we are a better team than that and also having team continuity I think goes a really long way. I like everyone on that roster and it would be fun to cheer them on to wins next year instead of losses. Any given night, several of those players could easily drop in 15+ points. We just really need to find that Dirk replacement that gives us someone legit to go to when we have-to, have-to get a bucket.

edit: If we sign a starting center, then I guess Salah becomes pretty expendable. I just really enjoy watching him come in and bang bodies while attempting to look innocent.

Bryan_Wilson · 04-12-2018, 05:25 PM

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Expanding on my Yes votes earlier and including Devin Harris who I expect to try and come back, then adding in 2 rookies from first and second round, plus hopefully a starter free agent ... our 15 man roster definitely fills up fast!

C - Free Agent, Dirk, Salah, Motley
PF - Rookie, Powell, Kleber
SF - Barnes, Rookie 2nd round
SG - Wes, Harris, McDermott
PG - DSJ, JJB, Seth

The downside is that this team looks a lot like our current 24-58 team. The upside is that we all pretty much agree we are a better team than that and also having team continuity I think goes a really long way. I like everyone on that roster and it would be fun to cheer them on to wins next year instead of losses. Any given night, several of those players could easily drop in 15+ points. We just really need to find that Dirk replacement that gives us someone legit to go to when we have-to, have-to get a bucket.

edit: If we sign a starting center, then I guess Salah becomes pretty expendable. I just really enjoy watching him come in and bang bodies while attempting to look innocent.

I love Harris but if he is back then I have to seriously question Donnie and crew for wth they are doing signing another vet to take away mins from young players.

Edit- not to mention the dreaded 3 guard lineup would for sure be back.

Underdog · 04-12-2018, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Skywalker

Noel not getting a single vote, lmao

LOL, Jalen Jones even has 1 vote.

SMC0007 · 04-13-2018, 08:17 AM

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I love Harris but if he is back then I have to seriously question Donnie and crew for wth they are doing signing another vet to take away mins from young players.

Edit- not to mention the dreaded 3 guard lineup would for sure be back.

Edit- not to mention the dreaded 3 guard lineup would for sure be back.

Edit- not to mention the dreaded 3 guard lineup would for sure be back.

SMC0007 · 04-13-2018, 08:19 AM

Don't be surprised if Powell is starting next season, even if our draft pick or free agent is a PF or C.

MavzMan · 04-13-2018, 11:07 AM

The only way Powell should be starting is if both PF and C positions are not filled in via draft and free agency, and also if Dirk wants to come off the bench.

SMC0007 · 04-13-2018, 12:24 PM

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The only way Powell should be starting is if both PF and C positions are not filled in via draft and free agency, and also if Dirk wants to come off the bench.

More like who they are filled with and if they're ready. Powell seems to have earned plenty of minutes with Rc and I think we all have come around on him because of his improvements.

As far as Dirk is concerned, this is a unique situation..where a unique approach could be considered. Maybe he needs to chill for the 1st half and then use him in the 2nd half of games. They seem to be hung up on his warm up and him getting tight during extended rest. Maybe they can warm him up later and condense his minutes later In The game. I'm just spitballing here and obviously not a trainer, but I wonder if that is at all a logical option.

BPo001 · 04-13-2018, 01:34 PM

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More like who they are filled with and if they're ready. Powell seems to have earned plenty of minutes with Rc and I think we all have come around on him because of his improvements.

As far as Dirk is concerned, this is a unique situation..where a unique approach could be considered. Maybe he needs to chill for the 1st half and then use him in the 2nd half of games. They seem to be hung up on his warm up and him getting tight during extended rest. Maybe they can warm him up later and condense his minutes later In The game. I'm just spitballing here and obviously not a trainer, but I wonder if that is at all a logical option.

Doubtful. Someone like Dirk goes through a lot more pregame to get warmed up besides running through the layup line. If he sits for the entire first half imhe would never get warmed up. Plus I think the idea of playing him for shorter spurts actually helps him rather than trying to have him play heavy min in the 2nd half.

Bryan_Wilson · 04-13-2018, 01:42 PM

Selfishly I want Dirk to come off the bench and have a shot at adding a 6th man award to his collection. Realistically I think he has to start because of what it takes for him to be loose for a game.

BigDog63 · 04-13-2018, 02:02 PM

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Mejri (QO/RFA)- I like dirty players that play hard and get into peoples heads. Not my top priority, but a decent 13-15 man.

Yes! Don't discount the value of that! The NBA is changing a bit, but most good teams in the past have had someone on their team that fans of every other team hate, but that creates energy and sets the tone for his team. Mejri is that guy.

Not worried about his age. Ain't like we're signing him to a 5 year deal.

Heezzi · 04-13-2018, 07:51 PM

Here's what I see...

C - Rookie, Dirk, Salah, Motley
PF - Barnes, Powell, Kleber
SF - Wes, McDermott
SG - Curry, Yogi
PG - DSJ, JJB, Colinsworth.

tap2390 · 04-13-2018, 08:16 PM

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Here's what I see...

C - Rookie, Dirk, Salah, Motley
PF - Barnes, Powell, Kleber
SF - Wes, McDermott
SG - Curry, Yogi
PG - DSJ, JJB, Colinsworth.

Got to disagree. HB started doing a lot better this season when he was playing his natural 3 position.

without accounting for draft/ free agency I would like to see:

DSJ - JJB
Wes - Curry
HB - McDermott
Dirk - Powell
Salah - Motley

add two rookies, one free agent, and two two-way guys and you have a team with the ability (if not season-long prowess) to sneak into playoffs.

Yogi and Kleber I like, but they will get more money and minutes elsewhere.

DFS and Collinsworth I like, but would like to see younger guys that perhaps will develop take their spots.

Noel I'm indifferent about.

Now all this being said, I'm completely open to trading anyone not named Dirk or DSJ.

Underdog · 04-13-2018, 08:32 PM

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Yogi and Kleber I like, but they will get more money and minutes elsewhere.

Kleber has a cheap team option next year, he’ll be back.

Underdog · 04-13-2018, 08:34 PM

I like how Jalen Jones has 2 votes, but Nerlens Noel still has none... Dude can’t even get a pity f*ck.

tap2390 · 04-13-2018, 11:11 PM

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Kleber has a cheap team option next year, he’ll be back.

Ahh that’s right. I like his game but feel bad that’s he’s only suited for the 4 which happens to be our most stacked position. I’d consider not exercising the option if that’s his wish. Just can’t see how he gets consistent minutes with Motley, Powell, Dirk, and potentially a FA (Parker) or rookie (Bailey) ahead of him.

Dtownsfinest · 04-16-2018, 11:23 PM

I'd bring Noel back for the right price.

Underdog · 04-16-2018, 11:28 PM

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I'd bring Noel back for the right price.

Only if hotdogs don't count against the salary cap...

Dtownsfinest · 05-06-2018, 06:25 PM

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Only if hotdogs don't count against the salary cap...

He's too young to just throw away. I've seen this team start far worse at the 5 spot.

NewMexiMav · 05-23-2018, 02:22 PM

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He's too young to just throw away. I've seen this team start far worse at the 5 spot.

I don't disagree with you, but I think Carlisle's done with him. And if Cubes and Donnie know that, Noel won't be back at any price. He seems like a nice dude, doesn't mean any harm, but he's a screw up. And Carlisle ain't got no time for a screw up. I felt the final nail in Noel's Mavericks career coffin was nailed when Carlisle gave him praise after the drug suspension. Seemed like Carlisle doing a solid to attempt to revive Nerlens' career elsewhere, but uh, not here buddy.

EricaLubarsky · 05-23-2018, 03:11 PM

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He's too young to just throw away. I've seen this team start far worse at the 5 spot.

I think you offer him a small contract at or below the MLE (which is admittedly 8.4m). Either one-year or one+TO. Maybe even one year + TO + TO so if he makes good on three years he gets full bird.

Make some or a lot of the money in the first year unguaranteed and just let him know that the team believes in him, but can't throw a huge contract his way with his pot smoking and lack of effort.

If another team offers him more then

Dude still has potential and we paid a good deal for him. You just can't burden yourself with a huge contract with a guy that may be the next Larry Sanders.

DevinHarriswillstart · 05-23-2018, 04:09 PM

The weed stuff sealed his fate and proved he was the problem the whole time. He blew making 17.5 a year because he isn't smart. You don't want stupid basketball players on your team.

And will he ever be able to play high minutes anyway? Seems there is always some dumb restriction because of his injury past.

Underdog · 05-23-2018, 05:32 PM

All you need to know about Noel is that he got more minutes when we were trying to tank...