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sefant77 · 01-24-2020, 06:16 PM

Hmmm...i hope its not for their SRP

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1...618447360?s=19

Underdog · 01-24-2020, 06:16 PM

What are we giving up?

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-24-2020, 06:19 PM

Wow, pretty good move if we don't give up much. Better than the free agent riff-raff we've been discussing.

sefant77 · 01-24-2020, 06:20 PM

Yesss, its just the Utah SRP

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-24-2020, 06:21 PM

Mavs generally kill it with trades. Def worth that Utah pick.

SMC0007 · 01-24-2020, 06:22 PM

Ugh. Post Malone is coming?

FreshJive · 01-24-2020, 06:25 PM

WCS for only a second rounder? Seems like too much of a steal. GS must be gearing up for a trade.

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-24-2020, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by FreshJive

WCS for only a second rounder? Seems like too much of a steal. GS must be gearing up for a trade.

Or that's what happens when you're really terrible. Good teams almost always have leverage in trades.

Best part is WCS has a player option next season, and it's for peanuts should he choose to stay.

ChileanMavsFan · 01-24-2020, 06:29 PM

That second round pick should be really low since Utah is doing well, so I'm all for this trade. WCS is only 26.

He has a player option for next year which I assume he will opt out of, but for just a second rounder and if it means keeping KP happy by playing PF only, it's a good trade even if he were to leave the Mavs next year.

Dtownsfinest · 01-24-2020, 06:29 PM

For the right price....this can be a great move. I'm also not sure if he's a finished product.This guy was a lottery pick. I don't think his ceiling is a superstar but this could be that guy we want that start to get closer to his potential. The new Powell, Chandler, etc.

Dtownsfinest · 01-24-2020, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ChileanMavsFan

That second round pick should be really low since Utah is doing well, so I'm all for this trade. WCS is only 26.

He has a player option for next year which I assume he will opt out of, but for just a second rounder and if it means keeping KP happy by playing PF only, it's a good trade even if he were to leave the Mavs next year.

Yeah that's a steal. I hope the Mavs can find some more deals like these.

Five-ofan · 01-24-2020, 06:30 PM

Well that's nice

BPo001 · 01-24-2020, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Or that's what happens when you're really terrible. Good teams almost always have leverage in trades.

Best part is WCS has a player option next season, and it's for peanuts should he choose to stay.

He’s putting 8pts 6reb and a block in 20 min. I imagine how more talent around him will help too. Worst case he sucks, and we send him away. Low risk move.

LukaThaDon · 01-24-2020, 06:37 PM

We're giving up Roby in the deal according to cbssports.

NM read it wrong, we traded Roby to OKC earlier today to make a roster spot.

I kinda feel they gave up on him too quick.

mac222b · 01-24-2020, 06:39 PM

Good low-risk gig reward move.

mac222b · 01-24-2020, 06:41 PM

I read that Cauley-Stein reportedly turned down over 9m per from Charlotte to take 2.3m with the Warriors. I’m no math wiz, but maybe he lost a lot of dough and that seems kind of dumb.

LukaThaDon · 01-24-2020, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

I read that Cauley-Stein reportedly turned down over 9m per from Charlotte to take 2.3m with the Warriors. I’m no math wiz, but maybe he lost a lot of dough and that seems kind of dumb.

Bet he's mad he got traded, he just missed out on a Championship the Warriors are about to win. Oh wait.

SMC0007 · 01-24-2020, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

I read that Cauley-Stein reportedly turned down over 9m per from Charlotte to take 2.3m with the Warriors. I’m no math wiz, but maybe he lost a lot of dough and that seems kind of dumb.

He has tattoos on his face. Idk how anyone could expect anything but dumb from him.

I feel a Noel repeat. Hopefully I'm wrong.

LukaThaDon · 01-24-2020, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

He has tattoos on his face. Idk how anyone could expect anything but dumb from him.

I feel a Noel repeat. Hopefully I'm wrong.

+1, I'm not a fan of tattoos in general (no offense to anyone that has one, or many) but anything above the neck you may as well wear a mask that says you're dumb.

Underdog · 01-24-2020, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by LukaThaDon

We're giving up Roby in the deal according to cbssports.

NM read it wrong, we traded Roby to OKC earlier today to make a roster spot.

I kinda feel they gave up on him too quick.

Had to make a roster spot, 15th man is always the sacrificial goat.

LukaThaDon · 01-24-2020, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Had to make a roster spot, 15th man is always the sacrificial goat.

i mean more than likely Roby will never be anything, but how do they even know yet it's January in his rookie season and he has played no meaningful minutes. I guess they didn't like what they saw with the Legends. He was only scoring like 9 ppg although 7 rebounds a steal and nearly 2 blocks.

I'm just curious what they see in Antonius Cleveland who's 25 vs Roby who's only 21.

FreshJive · 01-24-2020, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by LukaThaDon

i mean more than likely Roby will never be anything, but how do they even know yet it's January in his rookie season and he has played no meaningful minutes. I guess they didn't like what they saw with the Legends. He was only scoring like 9 ppg although 7 rebounds a steal and nearly 2 blocks.

I'm just curious what they see in Antonius Cleveland who's 25 vs Roby who's only 21.

Maybe OKC was interested in Roby, and didn’t want Cleveland.

LukaThaDon · 01-24-2020, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by FreshJive

Maybe OKC was interested in Roby, and didn’t want Cleveland.

Probably right.

KillerLeft · 01-24-2020, 07:15 PM

This could work. A good, cheap option to try to pick up the roll man slack left by Powell.

FreshJive · 01-24-2020, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Or that's what happens when you're really terrible. Good teams almost always have leverage in trades.

Best part is WCS has a player option next season, and it's for peanuts should he choose to stay.

Some reporters are speculating that they are doing this to try to get under the tax line.

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-24-2020, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

I read that Cauley-Stein reportedly turned down over 9m per from Charlotte to take 2.3m with the Warriors. I’m no math wiz, but maybe he lost a lot of dough and that seems kind of dumb.

At least he didn't turn down 70 million...

Dtownsfinest · 01-24-2020, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

I read that Cauley-Stein reportedly turned down over 9m per from Charlotte to take 2.3m with the Warriors. I’m no math wiz, but maybe he lost a lot of dough and that seems kind of dumb.

I think at the time they expected Steph to be there and at least be a playoff contender. But at the same time....guys go to Charlotte to die pretty much. Especially bigs.

Dtownsfinest · 01-24-2020, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by LukaThaDon

We're giving up Roby in the deal according to cbssports.

NM read it wrong, we traded Roby to OKC earlier today to make a roster spot.

I kinda feel they gave up on him too quick.

With Justin Jackson......I never thought Roby would ever have a role here. Factor in how young he is too? He was never going to carve out a role on this team. Not anytime soon anyway.

oilfieldtrash · 01-24-2020, 07:48 PM

Gets the center spot under control until next year. Then we have Powell back and can address the center position in free agency. Solid move.

mac222b · 01-24-2020, 07:59 PM

So we only used part the TE, correct? We could theoretically still use 8.5million or whatever is left? If we had a bigger contract like Gallo we wanted to trade for using Lee. Not saying they will, just wanted to verify.

mac222b · 01-24-2020, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

At least he didn't turn down 70 million...

Haha I know right? Man, we dodged a bullet there.

BPo001 · 01-24-2020, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

So we only used part the TE, correct? We could theoretically still use 8.5million or whatever is left? If we had a bigger contract like Gallo we wanted to trade for using Lee. Not saying they will, just wanted to verify.

Appear that way..

Bobby Marks: Dallas is acquiring Cauley-Stein with the $11.7M trade exception created from the Harrison Barnes trade last February. The exception is needed because WCS signed for part of the non-tax ML (slightly north of the minimum). Golden State will now have a $2.17M trade exception. – via Twitter BobbyMarks42

Dallas41 · 01-24-2020, 08:09 PM

First off this is a solid pickup for the mavs especially for peanuts

2nd of all WCS is a terrific roll man and does a good job contesting shots at the rim

Yes he has struggled finding his way on poor teams that lacked veteran leadership

The warriors actually felt like he would be a good rotation big with Looney and they clearly expected to still make the playoffs prior to Steph getting hurt

Dude is a lot similar to a younger New Orleans Ty Chandler clone

Now I believe if RC can keep him engaged doing games this guy can be a solid 18 mpg center for us who can also defend out in space

But i have zero confidence that he will buy in if gets consistent DNP'S like Noel or McGee did in Dallas

Both of those players have gone on to be solid key rotation players elsewhere only because they are being allowed to play consistent minutes every night

WCS can help this team but he sits on the bench consistently and doesn't get to play this move is going to be worthless.

Also for those making comments about his tats I think that is so damn pretty

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-24-2020, 08:11 PM

Well on one hand WCS has some Javale McGee in him which might not jive with Rick, but on the other hand it does show that replacing Powell's production wasn't the hardest thing to achieve.

WCS is a better shot blocker than Powell, but he can't hit a shot outside of 3 feet.

Dallas41 · 01-24-2020, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Well on one hand WCS has some Javale McGee in him which might not jive with Rick, but on the other hand it does show that replacing Powell's production wasn't the hardest thing to achieve.

WCS is a better shot blocker than Powell, but he can't hit a shot outside of 3 feet.

My only interaction with WCS, he told myself @See_Hendo and @MavsDraft he wanted to play in Dallas. That was last season. Wish fulfilled 😎#MFFL

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Dallas41 · 01-24-2020, 08:30 PM

Mavericks trade grade: A-
The Mavericks would have had no reason to make this trade a week ago, but Dwight Powell's injury changed the entire equation. Dallas relies as much on the pick-and-roll as just about any team in the NBA, and Powell's athleticism made him an essential component of that scheme. He scored 1.35 points per possession as a pick-and-roll finisher this season, one of the highest marks in the NBA.

Cauley-Stein isn't nearly that good, but at 1.14 points per possession as a pick-and-roll finisher, he is at least above-average in that regard. It's also worth noting that he has largely played with underwhelming ball-handlers. D'Angelo Russell is Golden State's only decent pick-and-roll option, and in Sacramento, he either had a young De'Aaron Fox or a series of forgettable backups. The upgrade to Luka Doncic will be massive, and his numbers should improve as a result. For all of his struggles, Cauley-Stein is still an elite athlete. Doncic will be able to maximize him in ways other teams haven't. In fact, SportsLine projections indicate that the addition of Cauley-Stein improves their projected win total by one game, offsetting the loss of Powell.

The other major benefit for Dallas here is that Cauley-Stein is a better rebounder than Powell. Cauley-Stein has a rebound rate of 14.4 percent compared to Powell's 11.2 percent, and while Powell led the Mavericks in boxouts at 3.4 per game, Cauley-Stein averaged 3.6 for Golden State despite playing four fewer minutes per game. Throw in the extra minutes this swap will likely create for elite rebounder Boban Marjanovic, and Powell's injury should at least help Dallas on the boards a bit. Considering they were already sixth in the NBA in rebounding rate, that bodes very well for them.

There will be some stylistic clashes. Rick Carlisle is not going to stand for Cauley-Stein's bizarre fixation on mid-range jumpers. His defense can be inconsistent as well, and it will take him time to develop chemistry with Dallas' ball-handlers. But the price here was a second-round pick that should fall in the 50s. It's hard to imagine them doing any better than this without putting a real asset on the table. Cauley-Stein can give them real minutes. With Powell out, finding someone who could do that quickly was a priority.

MFFL · 01-24-2020, 08:48 PM

We Took NBA Player Willie Cauley-Stein to NorthPark to Look at Art

https://www.dmagazine.com/frontburne...o-look-at-art/

Dtownsfinest · 01-24-2020, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

Haha I know right? Man, we dodged a bullet there.

We did but when Adams is out like tonight....he's putting together some good minutes. I'd love to have someone with his skillset on this team.

mac222b · 01-24-2020, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by MFFL

We Took NBA Player Willie Cauley-Stein to NorthPark to Look at Art

https://www.dmagazine.com/frontburne...o-look-at-art/

Nice! Thanks for the share.

SMC0007 · 01-24-2020, 09:19 PM

[QUOTE=Dallas41;1471054]First off this is a solid pickup for the mavs especially for peanuts

2nd of all WCS is a terrific roll man and does a good job contesting shots at the rim

Yes he has struggled finding his way on poor teams that lacked veteran leadership

The warriors actually felt like he would be a good rotation big with Looney and they clearly expected to still make the playoffs prior to Steph getting hurt

Dude is a lot similar to a younger New Orleans Ty Chandler clone

Now I believe if RC can keep him engaged doing games this guy can be a solid 18 mpg center for us who can also defend out in space

But i have zero confidence that he will buy in if gets consistent DNP'S like Noel or McGee did in Dallas

Both of those players have gone on to be solid key rotation players elsewhere only because they are being allowed to play consistent minutes every night

WCS can help this team but he sits on the bench consistently and doesn't get to play this move is going to be worthless.

Also for those making comments about his tats I think that is so damn pretty[/QUOTE]

Assuming you meant petty, c'mon... face tats? That's just terrible decision making sorry...and I have lots of tats.

Assuming you actually meant pretty, c'mon... No it's not.